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  1. "The Gay" says

    Is this more fake persecution “news” ?

    Who needs right wing nut jobs, when our left wing nut jobs keep bending us over ?

  2. jason says

    This is sad but instructive. It indicates that, even in relatively liberal cities and towns, we are still feared. I find that liberals who say they accept us still consider us to be outsiders. It’s as if we’re intruders who don’t deserve to be in public places typically associated with the mainstream.

    According to these liberals, we are only tolerable for short periods and mustn’t overstay our welcome. Does anyone else sense this?

  3. Francis says

    OK, first of all, this owner Chris Penner seems obviously gay himself. With that being said, I listened to the voicemail in question and it is clearly him and he clearly says that people are not coming in because the bar is a “tranny bar or gay bar”.

    Listen to the voicemail recordings in this video and judge for yourselves. Seems like these individuals were kicked out of the bar and people are not going to this bar because of the fact the individuals in question are trans/cross-dressers/fem. Chris Penner may be gay, but he has a lot of explaining to do here.

    And Jason, it’s not just fear that drives discrimination such as this. It’s dislike/discomfort of something “different”, resentment and as you touch on, self-entitlement. There are conservatives that are pro-gay and liberals that are anti-gay. Discrimination occurs everywhere.

  4. AJ says

    I don’t get it. Where are voicemails coming from? He leaves his customers voicemails asking them not to come back? Just weird and dumb. He’s also lying through his teeth.

  5. Brian says

    No, Jason, nobody else senses that, but we are all painfully aware that you sense that. Your liberals hate us meme joins the everyone is bisexual, women are evil, and all foreigners are homophobic memes in hogging up huge amounts of towleroad comment space while having absolutely no resonance with any sane person.

  6. Brian says

    No, Jason, nobody else senses that, but we are all painfully aware that you sense that. Your liberals hate us meme joins the everyone is bisexual, women are evil, and all foreigners are homophobic memes in hogging up huge amounts of towleroad comment space while having absolutely no resonance with any sane person.

  7. Matt26 says

    Not homophobic? Really, sounds so.
    Anyway, if all LGBT costumers, their families and all supporting them (us) would stay away, what will he say then?

  8. ratbastard says

    Why would anyone want to go to or patronize a place that doesn’t want them? I’ve never understood this. There are plenty of other bars, clubs, restaurants, etc.,

    I understand lawyers make $ from lawsuits, ‘advocates’ also jump at any real or perceived ‘bias’ they think they can milk, litigants run the chance of $ / out of court ‘settlement’, etc. But seriously people, get a life.

  9. Beef and Fur says

    @Jason

    Great point and I think it may differ depending on where you live. I’ve noticed that in my town. It also seems to keep the LGBT people in check in some way. Afraid that if they do act up they will experience push back from the ones who seem tolerant but are only accepting until they are backed into a corner.

  10. jason says

    I have a friend who lives in probably the most bohemian part of the city. There’s a bar which is quite popular with gay people on one night a week. However, only one half of the bar is reserved for “the gays”. The other half, which is through a small corridor, is for “the straights”. While there is no hard and fast rule that keeps the two groups separate, it’s an understood thing, sort of like a convention.

    Personally, I find this sort of convention insulting. It’s as if we are agreeing to segregation by convention.

  11. Icebloo says

    I think we have to wait to hear the voicemail recordings. Surely the people who allegedly received them would have passed them on to the people doing the investigation.

    It seems strange to me that this guy would employ gays, host gay civil union parties and a gay pride event if he had issues with gay people.

    Maybe he just upset someone who is now trying to play the gay card against him ?

  12. Francis says

    True, Mick. Remember, people, this is the man who swears Mitt Romney is more gay-friendly than President Obama. Let’s show some perspective. I know at the mixed bar I go to, there are nights that are promoted as gay nights, and there are plenty of straight folk who come and enjoy their time with their gay friends. It varies from bar to bar. Some bars are chill, some aren’t so chill, when it comes to gay patrons. But castigating all liberals because of the actions of a few self-identified ones isn’t at all smart.

    Anyway, I definitely am wanting to hear more regarding this incident and see what exactly went down before coming to final conclusions.

  13. Bob says

    THIS ILLUSTRATES AN ONGOING PROBLEM –Gay people want solidarity with trans people, and EVERYBODY in Portland wants to look like there is no discrimination of any kind.
    My own experience says that SOME trans women enjoy being demonstrative and provocative, if not downright “in your face, pay attention to ME”, which MIGHT be the problem here.
    Why would there be customer complaints or lost business if they were quietly enjoying themselves?

  14. andrew says

    I do recall quite a few posters on this site a short while ago defending a gay bars right to limit the access of straight people to a gay club in california.

  15. Dana says

    WTF? Gay Gay Lesbian Gay, gay…homophobia.

    He is being TRANSPHOBIC. And he used a slur against this group of transgender women.