1. Mark says

    lets see the lobby video and see how much of a struggle there was..This has the stench of a rotting chick-fil-a sandwich all over it….FRC trying to make the LBGT look like domestic terrorists…..

  2. StarGem says

    Probably a kook who didn’t think FRC was conservative enough or mistook them for a pro-GLBT organization.

    The presence of pro-Chik-fil-a materials is a sign in that direction. Most violent kooks aren’t too bright. And, terroristic gun-violence by GLBT persons is completely unheard of as opposed to the daily incidents perpetrated by the neo-facist God, guts, and guns kooks on the right.

  3. ratbastard says

    Dunno stargem, Jimmy Holmes is apparently extremely ‘bright’.

    Anyone who out of the blue does something like this is mentally ill, effed up on drugs [legal and/or illegal], psychotic.

  4. EchtKultig says

    ‘And, terroristic gun-violence by GLBT persons is completely unheard of as opposed to the daily incidents perpetrated by the neo-facist God, guts, and guns kooks on the right.”

    Exactly. I hope the country’s “liberal” mass media will point this out to Die Volk.

  5. EchtKultig says

    Wish Cathy had called them what they are, which is an evangelical lobbying organization, not a “Christian family” organization.

  6. Yeek says

    My money’s on the worst type of person: entitled, perpetually indignant, unskilled (shot someone in the shoulder point blank with the element of surprise on his side) and physically unfit (overpowered by someone who’d been shot). A chickenshit, gay or straight.

  7. Randy says

    It doesn’t even matter why the shooter did this. Ultimately, we’ll be blamed, because we’re always who they blame.

  8. KT says

    This is probably a stupid theory but maybe the shooter confused the Family Research Council with the Family Equality Council. The FBI did tell reporters it was too early to tell what the facts are and to proceed with caution with witness reports.

  9. says

    of course we’ll be *blamed*.

    we also caused 9/11, eh? and every natural disaster in american history. the gays did it.

    not the slave owners, or the anti-integrationists, or even the Nazis, because apparently God doesn’t care about injustices against black people or Jewish people. God just really hates that Deb & Sue are getting married after 25 years together.

    But to stop being so flippant and ask a serious question: how many more shootings need to happen before the US has a legit discussion about enforcing stricter gun-control?

  10. StarGem says

    Probably confused FRC with HRC. FBI keeping very mum for now. I don’t know any GLBT persons who keep a backpack full of Chick-fil-a promotional materials with them at all times.

  11. Rick says

    You know, I am going to buck the trend here and say that, in the overall scheme of things, a gay activist threatening violence, bodily harm, and even death to people trying to create a society in which we are regarded as social pariahs……would be a GOOD thing.

    Gay people–and gay men in particular–are regarded as wusses–and are seen as no threat to society, even if we continue to be treated as inferiors. And any group that is not really feared is never really taken all that seriously.

    People talk admiringly of Dr. King’s strategy of non-violence, but the actual truth of the matter is that no real change occurred with regard to civil rights in the 60’s until riots broke out, cities were set on fire, and violence was threatened.

    Mao once said that all power comes from the barrell of a gun–and he was not far from being right, if you look at how and where and when REAL social change has occurred in human history.

  12. peterparker says

    Let’s hope the shooter is straight identified and psychotic because if it turns out that he is gay, it will be baaaaaaaad press for the GLBT community, and the haters at Family Research Council, Focus On The Family, American Family Association, et. al. will use it against us for a decade.

  13. EchtKultig says

    Rick, I try to defend you sometimes, but you are dead wrong on this.

    There’s a double standard we are stuck with. They can shoot up abortion clinics. They can condone anti-gay violence. Doesn’t matter. They are still “right” in their minds. To win over that 1-3% of the moveable middle, before they solidify to one side or the other, we HAVE to play by a higher set of rules. There’s no option. The black panthers did not advance civil rights except in the most nebulous sense.

    NOBODY out there is going to think “gee whiz, the gays are finally standing up for themselves”. NOBODY. Not even gay people. What will happen is christian evangelical crazies thinking “I thought I could not vote for that durn mormon Romney, but I done have to, to prevent them gays from shootin up muh church”.

  14. candideinnc says

    Too bad the guard was hurt. That said, hate groups inspire hate. It is only to be expected.

  15. EchtKultig says

    PeterParker, if it tips the election and Romney fills the courts with Mormons, the FRC will get 20-30 years out of it. You can say goodbye to civil unions, any anti-discrimination laws, the right to adopt or foster parent children, etc. etc.

  16. says

    don’t take “Rick” too seriously. The man is a wimp who can’t even show his face online, let alone get involved in anything resembling an in-person discussion, debate or *fight* about anything gay.

    He is, in effect, the very wuss he always talks about.

    Take a long curtsy, gurl.


  17. Rick says

    @ECHTKULTIG Here’s the thing. Our REAL problems cannot be solved by passing laws. They can only be changed by altering the culture. And the culture will only be changed if male homosexuality and masculinity are seen as compatible rather than mutually exclusive.

    Bottom line is that gay men are not respected–especially by other men–because they are widely regarded as “pu$$ies”–they run from fights, they are cowards who won’t defend themselves, they try to hide behind women and ride their coattails, etc., etc.

    I, myself, have seen, quite literally, a sea-change in attitude among individual straight men who tried to harrass me when they found out I was gay–only to be shocked when I confronted them over it, displaying a willingness to engage in physical confrontation if necessary.

    At Mardi Gras in New Orleans last year, I personally confronted Evangelicals who were parading around with homophobic signs–and saw the genuine fear in their eyes……and watched them hightail it down the street when it became clear that they might be subject to physical violence…..

    I am not suggesting a binge of terrorism and murder here–of course not–but I am suggesting that more physical and violent confrontations with these people are just what the doctor ordered, both to shut them down and–more importantly–to gain the respect of straight men…….

    And I have to say that many gay men who disavow such physical confrontations only do so out of cowardice, not out of principle or conviction…..

  18. EchtKultig says

    “Bottom line is that gay men are not respected–especially by other men–because they are widely regarded as “pu$$ies”–they run from fights, they are cowards who won’t defend themselves”

    There’s a small nugget of truth in this, but that’s all I’m going to say because it’s totally irrelevant. Shooting a guard in the lobby, in the arm, is not masculine, nor is it even a well-executed act of terrorism. Even assuming such a thing would be effective, which it would NOT be!

    Laws sometimes ARE needed to change the culture. That’s what the entire civil rights struggle in the south was about. Frankly, some of white people who were alive then and objected to desegregation still object to it…and some of their children, too! (A major motivation behind most, but not all, tea party supporters.) But the mere fact the laws no longer enforce separate but equal has led to unambiguous social progress. It’s been slow but steady: witness Tim Tebow kissing his black teammate LOL. (a banal, but illustrative example…which has nothing to do with gay rights btw as both figures involved are probably anti-gay rights…but would have been completely unimaginable in the south 25 years ago, and more for the racial than sexual aspect.)

  19. Francis says

    Floyd Corkins worked at the DC LGBT center for six months. So yeah, he’s a gay. Of course, the cons will run with this, although the body count of gays causing harm to anti-gay wingnuts/bigots vs anti-gay wingnuts/bigots causing harm to gays clearly isn’t proportional in their favor.

    I expect many people around the web to make the obligatory “I thought all gay men were hot” comment now.

  20. Rod says

    It is very sad- but tragically funny to me somehow. Did Chic Fil A think their hatred had no repercussions? Of course- at least- not to them! Why would they care what hatred they spew? I want to just blame them. However- we have to wait and see what this cook was up to. I can just imagine what Russhhhh Limburger will say.

  21. Sam says

    This is a PR disaster for us. I don’t think I’ve ever felt so much hate for anyone as I feel for this idiot/psychopath…talk about setting us back. Every claim of the right – our militant war on marriage and family values, our hate for them and thus our hypocrisy, and even our questionable mental health and sanity – has just been vindicated in the eyes of the American public.

    Really, the anti-gay movement could not possibly have gotten any luckier…

  22. says

    Guys, I’m a little disheartened by the way the commentators first reactions were to say that in no way could this possibly be a LBGT-friendly person, and must have been a confused conservative.

    No one is responsible for this act of violence and domestic terrorism simply by being a member of the gay community (although Rick is pushing it, as many of you have pointed out)

    You should take comfort in knowing this conservative isn’t going to blame gays: I intend to blame liberals =)

  23. EchtKultig says

    Young hip and conservative? That’s an oxymoron if there ever was one. Please, Michaels of the world, take your paid trolling and shove it up your a–. This site doesn’t need you. There are about 2500 anti-gay hate crimes a year, this might have been the first anti-evangelical hate crime EVER. Looks like the “hip conservatives” are the terrorists, not the liberals.

  24. EchtKultig says

    If he grew up with a white family in Herndon, VA, trust me, he was growing up in a very conservative milieu. Certainly would have caused him to be conflicted with his own feelings (family calling him “homosexual”) and contributed to a mindset where violence seemed like the only answer. As it so often does to conservatives.