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  1. andrew says

    She is a rude and vulgar woman. Like Howard Stern we on the progressive side of politics would be better off without them. Someone should tell her that Pat Paulson, another no talent comedian, already did her pretend race for president over 45 years ago. She reminds me of Snooki of Jersey Shore. Except Snooki has some talent.

  2. HOseanne says

    Kev, the comments here are no more stupid than Roseanne trying to run for president. So what if she supports gay rights? Does that mean we automatically have to like her even though she’s a nutcase?

  3. Gary says

    Roseanne, I had a gay sibling as well. He went to Canada in 1969 at age 19. He went on to become a writer and well respected gay activist. His works are housed in the Gay and Lesbian Archieves in Canada. He wrote this about gay marriage:

    “This grand struggle over one word has ever put symbolism over substance, sentiment over sense, “respectability” over true self-respect. What might have been an effort to win legal respect for a range of human relationships was instead made a “gay issue.” By gay people themselves — finding it “strategic” to play oppressed victims.”

    “Gay” was once seen as a nice little word abducted by perverts for immoral purposes. It has now been adopted by nice couples hoping to trot it out in “respectable” drag. And by marketers hawking it, wrapped in rainbows, as a glamorous consumer “lifestyle.” Maybe the rest of us need to find a new word.”

    God bless my sibling.

  4. reality says

    Roseanne is great. She has been a great advocate for progressive causes dating all the way back to when her show was a hit in the 90s. She openly supported gay rights and union rights repeatedly in the writing of her show … I remember as a kid watching an episode centered around the outing of her co-worker who might be fired for being gay and how she stood up for him. It was quite something to see as a kid, and it stuck with me.

  5. pc says

    All of the hate on here surprises me – Roseanne has been a LGBTQ supporter as far back as I can remember. And she’s damn funny, too – can’t wait to watch her roast this weekend.

  6. says

    A lot of holier-than-though a-holes who do little to advance the cause seem to be posting today—what fabulous efforts do you make IRL? And GARY, your sibling sounds more than just a little pretentious.

  7. andrew says

    Just because someone says they support LGBT (I don’t know what the Q means) rights doesn’t mean that I should ignore the facts that they are rude, crude, vulgar and are as dumb as a brick.

  8. yuninv says

    The New Gay Hate List
    1. People who don’t support us.
    2. People who support us, but not in the approved way.
    3. People who support us, but aren’t the type of people with whom we would socialize.
    4. People who support us, but not if they’re straight.
    5. People who support us, but not if they’re Christian.
    6. People who are gay, but support any of the preceding individuals.
    7. People who are gay, but aren’t the accepted standard of attractiveness in accordance to the whim of gay society as a whole.

    Did I leave anyone out?

  9. Mousie says

    Gary, I’m just one guy, but I can assure you that my marriage’s respectability has nothing to do with drag and everything to do with bringing two people and two families together. It’s about in-laws, nieces, and nephews. It’s about having our relationship recognized like any other, and mutual responsibility. I’m sorry you and your brother can’t share in that.

    He may have written some debatable words down, but I’m undeniably standing up for gay rights every damn time I mention my husband or leave my house with a ring on my finger.

    And I can’t say I’m sorry for this at all. We’re the opposite of victims, and have done what WE wanted to. And we don’t plan of giving it back.

  10. says

    @Gary: The only reason gay couples do not have equality, including federal marriage equality in the US, is discrimination. Equality. Nothing more, nothing less. That doesn’t mean every gay person has to get married, or even care about marriage. The point is for everyone to have an equal choice about how they conduct their lives. That doesn’t dismiss your brother’s activism.

    As for Roseanne, yep, she’s always been kind of a mess, but she’s on our side. The most important thing she pointed out here is that, often times, gay relationships last a helluva lot longer than straight ones, and she’s the rare straight person who puts that reality on the table.

  11. MonkeyPuzzle says

    @ YUNINV: that list really made me think.

    And I agree with the concern in general about how negative these comment threads have gotten lately.

  12. Icebloo says

    A straight ally speaks out for us in a sensible and positive way and all you jealous, bitter queens attack her !
    THIS is the reason we have no legal rights ! We are idiots.

    Roseanne has been a constant supporter of ours for years. She won many award in the early 1990’s for portraying gay people positively in her TV show. It may not seem like much now but back then very very few TV shows had the guts to include gay characters.

    I am ashamed of being gay when I read these pathetic, childish comments. It’s time to EDUCATE yourselves. YOU are the ones who are holding us back !

  13. Gary says

    My brother Rick died in 2009 after having been diagnosed HIV+ in the late 80’s. The writings that appear were written in 2001, so he was ahead of the curve. He resented the way gays were turning marriage into “The Holy Grail” He felt that gays were losing their culture by copying the heterosexual model. He felt homosexuals to be special — to quote, we gays are “seeing the world from a distinctly queer place — a perspective oblique, maybe, but precisely because of that informed, revealing, powerful.” So we should be proud to have this unique perspective And I think we all know what that is, regardless of what comes next.

  14. JesseJo says

    @Gary, Um… but we really aren’t that special. Isn’t that the point? We are just like everyone else! “We’re unique like everyone else…”

  15. Beef and Fur says

    He’s still asking the “properly in love” question? I thought he gave that up after Rosie O called him out for asking that same question over and over again.

  16. scott says

    @ GARY-no offense to your brother, but, what is that supposed to mean?

    Is that implying that homosexual peoples are really twisted, confused pervs by definition, and “gay” is too mainstream, and you or your brother need a new word to make homosexual sound edgy or daring- or glamorous ? Why, if that is the case?

    Again, no offense, but your words sound like the beginnings of arguments from conservatives against marriage equality- who say that being gay is all about being rebellious, and daring, and against the flow- when that isn’t what “being gay” or whatever is all about. That kind of argument is just a cop-out to get out of being accused of homophobia. Being gay isn’t a choice- it’s simply who you are. It doesn’t make me or anyone of us more or less special to be gay.

    The gay rights movement isn’t about being this kind of gay or that kind of gay- it’s about showing the rest of the world we are people, too- and advocating and fighting for equal rights and respect. It isn’t about preserving this definition of gay or that bit of gay culture- our community is so diverse we don’t need to get wrapped up in silly arguments over “what it means to be a gay man/lesbian woman.” We share one uniting, wonderful factor- that we love. And that is what we are fighting for- the chance to love and be loved as every person who comes into this world wants to be.

  17. scott says

    @ GARY-no offense to your brother, but, what is that supposed to mean?

    Is that implying that homosexual peoples are really twisted, confused pervs by definition, and “gay” is too mainstream, and you or your brother need a new word to make homosexual sound edgy or daring- or glamorous ? Why, if that is the case?

    Again, no offense, but your words sound like the beginnings of arguments from conservatives against marriage equality- who say that being gay is all about being rebellious, and daring, and against the flow- when that isn’t what “being gay” or whatever is all about. That kind of argument is just a cop-out to get out of being accused of homophobia. Being gay isn’t a choice- it’s simply who you are. It doesn’t make me or anyone of us more or less special to be gay.

    The gay rights movement isn’t about being this kind of gay or that kind of gay- it’s about showing the rest of the world we are people, too- and advocating and fighting for equal rights and respect. It isn’t about preserving this definition of gay or that bit of gay culture- our community is so diverse we don’t need to get wrapped up in silly arguments over “what it means to be a gay man/lesbian woman.” We share one uniting, wonderful factor- that we love. And that is what we are fighting for- the chance to love and be loved as every person who comes into this world wants to be.

  18. aaron says

    @Gary. You’re speaking my language, friend. Thanks for sharing one of the most enlightened comments I’ve ever seen on this site. It’s too bad so many people can’t see the way in which the meaning of relationships have been usurped by the push for gay marriage and all the consumerist accoutrements that attend it. While I’m certainly for equal rights under the law, I think it’s a shame that more gay people don’t want to discuss what the possible negative implications of the normalization of certain relationships could mean for others. I, for one, find it endlessly annoying and frustrating to have to answer the question, “So, when are you getting married?!” and see the disappointment in people’s eyes when I tell them I’m happy with my relationship just the way it is. Suddenly, without marriage, my relationship means less than it did before. I find that to be very sad for gay people, even if I respect the decision of those who do desire marriage for themselves.

  19. PogoGoGo says

    I have to laugh at all the people who feel that just because they aren’t interested in marriage, those of us who are have somehow damaged what it means to be “gay”, which has always been a BS social contrivance anyway.

    Oh, poor you, people ask you now when you’re getting married, life is so hard.

    Meanwhile, those of us that live where we can’t get married, and where it looks like we won’t be able to anytime soon have to deal with all you buttwipes that think moving out of the bars and clubs, away from the drugs and idiocy has a downside.

    If you want to talk about the “possible negative implications”, let’s hear them !

    What ARE they ?

    So my marriage somehow hurts your relationship… How exactly does your trivial inconvience even matter ?

  20. SteveC says

    I love her publicity stunt in running for president.

    Remember that since US democracy was sold to the corporations, the office of President is not an office that deserves any respect any more.

  21. andrew says

    Just because someone says they support gay rights doesn’t make everything else they say and do Okay. I think Roseanne Barr is just an older version of Snooki. She is a loud mouth, rude and vulgar person. Her silly presidential run was done by another marginal comedian named Pat Paulson about 40 years ago.

  22. bbg372 says

    @Aaron

    I do not want to discuss the possible effects of the normalization of same-sex marriage on gay couples who choose not to marry because the relationships of others are none of my business. I make choices for my relationship on the basis of what is best for my relationship. Your relationship does not even enter the equation.

    Moreover, one cannot be made to feel inferior without his consent. I do not feel that my relationship is inferior because I cannot be legally married. If you feel that your relationship “suddenly means less” because others can be legally married, then that is your insecurity, and I find that very sad.

    The implication of your post is that gay people should reconsider marriage because it creates a societal expectation that makes you feel that you relationship is inferior and leads to questions you find annoying and frustrating. If that is the case, then you will have to put your big boy pants on, because that is not a legitimate complait that is even worthy of consideration.

  23. truthteller says

    To all the haters: Get educated and get over it!

    Rosanne has always fought for human rights for gay people. She fought to include the first gay kiss on a sitcom; she and another woman.

    You are just bitter and resentful of her success. She has been an influential and tireless defender of the gay community and I am ashamed of the poisonous attacks the gay haters spew at her.

    Rosanne, you rule and I thank you for all you do for the GLBT community. Just ignore the haters.

  24. Blair says

    A bunch of haters out thear,thay dont know the trouth whean thay hear it. Is thear any wone out there who thinks politics is any thing but a two headed dragon,which which head of that destructiv beast do you wont making desions for your childreans lives and futer the obamination or the rumdumies think it though haters at least she would not be on the take or a power trip much beter than Hilery the pupet playing the part that is best for her political futer with out a thought of the american people in mind we are hurting it’s geting bad real bad. Barr may not be the next pres. but she makes more sense thain a two headed dragon hate all you wont but the trouth will stand whean the world is on fire and that’s the trouth

  25. james says

    I don/t get it. there is nothing in this two minutes thar she said was offensive. Her sitcom was about the myth of the Reagan Revolution. It was about families who had union jobs losing them and having to work two or three part time jobs to support their families. It was about how women in these families dealt with that and it portrayed families much more sympathetic to gay friends and offspring that really was at the time. Only “I am the only gay in the village” would take issue with her. You guys are wankers

  26. Michael says

    I’m a bit torn when it comes to Roseanne. I respect her politics, for the most part, but it’s hard to appreciate someone like her because no one else does. You can espouse good ideas and political ideals but none of that really matters in the end if you are so loud and brash that no one pays attention or cares. I like her but, in the end, she has little sway in politics and should stay out of them.

  27. Caliban says

    Honestly I’d rather see Roseanne back on TV in another sit-com than doing a fake Presidential campaign, but I appreciate what she’s done for the gay community in the past, love her and her show, even if she DOES have a tendency to go off half-cocked. Better half of one than none at all!

    So far as the charge that Gay Marriage is ruining all the subversive fabulousness that was the gay community, I understand the criticism but don’t agree. It’s about CHOICES and it’s about rights. Some people don’t WANT to be the bohemian subversive, that’s not who they are. The white-picket-fence marriage thing isn’t for everyone and that’s OK too- in fact it’s a terrible choice for some of the people who DO marry because they do it for the wrong reasons- to get parental and societal approval for not being one of those “bad gays” when that’s who they really want to be. Don’t use marriage to hide, especially if your partner doesn’t know that’s what you’re doing. That’s no more fair than a closet case banging guys all over the place while his wife wonders what’s wrong with HER.

    But marriage isn’t an either/or, that OR the alleged subversive fabulosity of the gay community. Both can exist at the same time, both worthy of respect. Both can exist at different times in the lives of individuals. But arguing that fighting for the right to marry is somehow taking something from YOU is the same argument the one-man/one-woman people use, and it doesn’t make any more sense.

  28. Gary says

    Scott: “It’s about showing the world….” Before “equality” we didn’t have to show the world anything. So, get married in today’s world. Be my guest, if it means so much. Understand how welcoming the world will be.

  29. ludsa says

    I really like this woman. She speaks her mind and I happen to agree with most of what she says. I feel that people who don’t like her are too dimwitted to understand her, so they insult her in really embarrassing ways.

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