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  1. Danny in the East Village says

    LittleKiwi, Please don’t go there: we don’t know the story yet. The entire incident may have nothing to do with the purpose of the organization. I pray to God it doesn’t.

  2. kpo5 says

    From FOX:

    “A security guard at the Family Research Council headquarters in Washington, D.C., was shot in the arm by a gunman who sources said expressed disagreement with the conservative group’s policy position.”

    Hmm…

    While I think it’s really awful when people say that the victims of LGBT hate crimes are faking it for attention, one guard shot in the arm really doesn’t smell right to me.

  3. Kenneth says

    I disagree with violence as the solution and certainly hope we are not lowering ourselves to the rabid right’s tactics, but I will wait until there is more info on this to make such conclusions. However, since it is a tactic they have been using against those they disagree with for so long, they can hardly be surprised if it is eventually turned back upon them. I hope the injured party makes a full and speedy recovery.

  4. kpo5 says

    Perhaps I’ll be known as the crazy conspiracy theorist, but think about it:

    At first, they could spew any point they wanted against gay people. Enough people were on board with gay-hating and sources of reliable information countering their points wasn’t widely available.

    Then we started pushing back. Our equality groups got stronger talking points that debunked their garbage in a minute.

    They started having to prove their arguments in courtrooms. We had lots of studies. So they made one up to try to even the playing field.

    We’re able to widely discuss the real, documented violent crimes against gays. So one freaking security guard at the FRC gets shot in the arm.

    They saw the conservative OUTRAGE that was generated by the Chick-fil-A event. This may even turn out to be a greater event to stir up their base. I don’t buy it.

  5. Oz in OK says

    I hope the guard makes a full recovery. I also hope the person who fired the shot gets investigated and, if they are truly guilty of domestic terrorism, gets prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

    As for anti-LGBT propaganda, I’m not concerned at this point. Will they spin it as hard and fast as they can? Of course they will. Since we know it’s going to happen, what’s the point in worrying about ‘if’ it happens?

  6. ratbastard says

    Jesus, you people! There are just plain, old crazy people you know. Sometimes they latch onto a particular ’cause’ or belief and end up hurting others. Extremist viewpoints of all kinds [far right, far left, whatever] tend to attract unstable people.

  7. Aiden Raccoon says

    A guy gets shot in the arm. That is hardly life threatening and we’re told that he’s conscious and breathing. Well, duh. He only got shot in the arm. Now they call in the bomb squad? What?!

  8. Adam says

    I’m taking them all at their word that this is what happened. There’re plenty of crazies and wackos on our side of the fence who’d wrongly think this was the appropriate way to respond to FRC’s bigotry, too. FRC may be batshit, but they know better than to false flag this… they’d get busted, and then that’d be the end of whatever credibility they have with their base. The political calculus for that just doesn’t add up. Jumping to conspiracy theories is not a productive way for us to respond to what very likely will prove to be someone from our side doing something that’s going to backfire on us all. Getting defensive isn’t the way to handle it… we should respond by condemning this violence as loudly and vociferously as we would condemn violence against one of our own. And we should mean every word of it. None of these problems need be solved by violence. The cause for LGBT rights will be won. We don’t need to hurt anyone… in fact, it’s part of our message that we *won’t* hurt anyone. Violence against anyone is violence against everyone, and it’s just flatly unacceptable.

    Remember that you’re in public when you post to a blog like TR. What you say here has the ability to impact what people on both sides of the issue think. Be a little more thoughtful before you go saying ill-informed things like “it’s a conspiracy theory” or “they deserved it”… consider how you’d feel if someone on their side said that about something that happened to one of us. You’d be outraged. That’s not progress, that’s just more of the same.

  9. Adam says

    I’m taking them all at their word that this is what happened. There’re plenty of crazies and wackos on our side of the fence who’d wrongly think this was the appropriate way to respond to FRC’s bigotry, too. FRC may be batshit, but they know better than to false flag this… they’d get busted, and then that’d be the end of whatever credibility they have with their base. The political calculus for that just doesn’t add up. Jumping to conspiracy theories is not a productive way for us to respond to what very likely will prove to be someone from our side doing something that’s going to backfire on us all. Getting defensive isn’t the way to handle it… we should respond by condemning this violence as loudly and vociferously as we would condemn violence against one of our own. And we should mean every word of it. None of these problems need be solved by violence. The cause for LGBT rights will be won. We don’t need to hurt anyone… in fact, it’s part of our message that we *won’t* hurt anyone. Violence against anyone is violence against everyone, and it’s just flatly unacceptable.

    Remember that you’re in public when you post to a blog like TR. What you say here has the ability to impact what people on both sides of the issue think. Be a little more thoughtful before you go saying ill-informed things like “it’s a conspiracy theory” or “they deserved it”… consider how you’d feel if someone on their side said that about something that happened to one of us. You’d be outraged. That’s not progress, that’s just more of the same.

  10. anon says

    Domestic terrorism? Well, perhaps, though it might have been entirely personal or a case of robbery. I assume the perp tried to get past the guard and then shot him because the guard was preventing him from getting any further. Hopefully we’ll learn more shortly.

  11. Mark says

    What is disturbing me here is the comment section. If a man went to the HRC headquarters and shot a security guard in the arm while yelling about their policies, we’d be calling this terrorism. Just because you (and I) hate the Family Research Council doesn’t mean we should trivialize violence towards them (especially a security guard, who by no means has anything to do with the policies).

    Stooping to the level of anti-gay bigots is not appropriate and when we do it we lose credibility.

  12. endo says

    Some of the DC press are reporting that the security guard works for the office building, not the Family Research Council.

    Also, the same building houses a federal office, which is why the FBI and the Bomb Squad are involved. The shooting may not even be related to the FRC, but it’s not at all shocking they’d immediately play the victim card.

  13. Blake says

    I am sorry that someone was harmed, but I cannot help but be skeptical.

    I forsee we will be blamed for this, no matter what the truth is about the incident.

  14. MCJH says

    @Mark

    It’s not about a man simply being shot. Read the report, it’s incredibly suspect. The guy announces his disagreements with the Family Research Council and then shoots a security guard in the arm. Those facts alone are questionable — I don’t think it has much to do with a lack of principles/a shoe on the other foot thing.

  15. Elsewhere says

    Shooting people you disagree with is not the answer; in particular, being shot in the arm is not “ok” with me simply because I dislike your position on equal rights.

    I want a full investigation, I want the shooter’s name, and I want a trial.

    But face the fact — you can congratulate the FRC on the deluge of donations that this shooting will engender.

  16. Pdxblueyes says

    In spite of their views and agenda, I don’t wish anything like this on ANYONE. taking this issue with their platform just makes us as uninformed and spiteful as they are. Wheres our compassion?

  17. kpo5 says

    I know, you guys are right. And Adam said it, we need to be vocally, vehemently against this. I am against it – and if it truly came from some anti-FRC person, throw the book at him/her.

    But, it’s incredibly upsetting to get physically, verbally, etc. discriminated against for years all to watch people line up at Chick-fil-A to stuff their faces full of bigotry – and all be made national heroes for doing such.

    The conservative ability to play the victim card is astounding and no doubt, whether this was false flagged or truly from someone unbalanced, it could potentially harm the heck out of us and our equality cause. We have decades of abuse documented which can all potentially (politically) be erased by one guy with a gunshot wound to the arm. So I’d like to believe it’s a setup. I’d like to believe there aren’t LGBT/pro-equality people crazy enough to do this (yes, I know there probably are many).

  18. Scott says

    Glad to see I am not the only one who thinks this was an inside job for unwarranted sympathies. Either way, the truth usually has a way of coming to light. If the FRC is responsible, which I think they are, then this could finally be their downfall.

  19. says

    A GLBT person is shot based on political motivation – it’s not even seen as a hate crime, it’s just swept under the rug.

    A most likely straight security guard at a hate organization gets shot in the arm based on political motivation – it’s suddenly seen as domestic terrorism.

    Washington, we have a problem here.

  20. says

    I’m not happy about this shooting, and I never have (and never will) condone vigilantism. But I’m also not going to pretend that this designated hate group is not responsible for deaths and violence against LGBT people across America.

    Perkins doesn’t care about the children lost to anti-gay hatred.

    This is like when Fox News hates the westboro baptists – ever notice they only hate them when they protest the funerals of straight people, particularly soldiers?

    similar deal here.

  21. chuck says

    I was expecting this for years. For 20 years, Black Americans peacefully marched and were beatened, jailed, and murdered. Then groups like the Black Panthers began…their motto was “don’t F^&K with us”. A lot of anti-Black groups finally realized that they may get hit back and hard if they attacked Black people.
    Finally, radical gays are coming around to the same position. Especially if R&R get elected…no one but gays themselves are going to be able to protect one another.
    The hate from anti-gays groups is metastasizing against them.

  22. Polyboy says

    It sounds like the plot to “Machete.”

    Shoot your own man to gain sympathy and villify your enemies. Considering how deranged the FRC’s statements have become, I will believe it when the FBI has checked the perp’s computer, text messages, and cell phone records.

    If it smells too convenient, it probably is.

  23. Rich says

    Guys, can we just wish the guard and anyone else who’s suffered a traumatic attack well? If it’s a false flag attack or whatever, we’ll know.

    This is a chance to be better human beings. They don’t see our humanity, sure. If we see theirs, the world’s a better place.

    There are disturbed people of all stripes, including disturbed LGBT. If we pretend it’s less of a crime because the perp was LGBT and the (intended) victims anti-gay, we’re no better than them when they dehumanize us and violence against us.

  24. Randy says

    FRC certainly supports gun ownership, so they wont be calling for more gun control. They might, however, call for good christians to arm themselves for the coming religion war.

  25. EchtKultig says

    “There are plenty of crazy unbalanced LGBT people, was bound to happen”

    WHO STAY IN THE CLOSET AND IGNITE BOXES OF CEREAL ON FIRE IN FRONT OF GENERAL MILLS!

    I’m 90% sure this is a false-flag attack.

  26. EchtKultig says

    “If it’s a false flag attack or whatever, we’ll know.”

    Not necessarily. Criminal investigations can take a long time to unravel motives. The election is in less than 3 months. Left wing gun/personal attack violence is incredibly rare compared to right wing violence, or at least has been for > 30 years. At worse, some environmentalists have torched houses being built in wetlands or whatnot, when they knew it was unoccupied. The left is inherently more sane to begin with, so they argue their case in a more sane way.

    In any case, if this was a very foolish and misguided LGBT person or supporter, they were very foolish indeed. Like the CFA debacle, this can only help send Romney supporters to the polls.

  27. EchtKultig says

    BTW, when I say ‘left’ I mean the left in this country, now, whose main goal stopping Republicans from turning back the country to the 1890s. That is a sane objective. Of course, there are left wing elements elsewhere in the world who have and do resort to violence. The violence against white farmers in Zimbabwe, for example.

  28. Jay says

    I don’t get it…

    Access to basic rights are being denied.

    The Right has suggested if the perceived wrongs committed against them continue that they may have to resort…and I quote here…”to 2nd Amendment remedies”…

    I think guns should be outlawed…but if the Right is so supportive of 2nd Amendment remedies…why is this a problem? The guy had a gun, he was stopped by a guard hired to protect people attempting to keep the shooter from his rights, both gunman and guard were shot.

    If I understand the Rights arguments…this is EXACTLY the way the system was supposed to work… Its 1873 and we are alive and well and living in the wild west!

  29. "The Gay" says

    I’m going to wait for the FBI to announce what they discover before I opine.

    No reason to throw gasoline on this fire.

    Being shot in the shoulder is a bit more serious than being shot in the arm.

  30. EchtKultig says

    And remember – even if this is shown to be a false flag operation, to the tea party brain, what they want to hear is reality, and what they don’t want to hear isn’t. The net message to middle America Karl Rove wanted to send out is “first the leftists wanted to ban Chick-Fil-A, then they wanted to shootup the ‘Family’ Research Council.” (What the mayors did was so idiotic, you almost have to wonder if he somehow got them in his pocket. I’m still in shock from it. Dumbest political move of the year, no doubt)

    Even after a big “protest” in Florida against the Supreme Court having a recount was shown to be filled with republican staffers who flew down from DC, the right still cited it as evidence that public opinion was against Al Gore. The simple fact is they are much better at these dirty tricks than the Democrats are. And they’ve been planning them for 4 years since Obama was elected. Trust me.

  31. rob says

    The Family Research Council is a repulsive, bigoted hate organization. The Bible says you reap what you sow. The FRC sows hate, intolerance, and damage to people’s lives, and now that’s what they’re getting back. It’s just too bad the shooter didn’t get that hate-monger Tony Perkins.

  32. BP says

    And how many gays have died because of that organization. Its a shame he didnt shoot anyone in charge instead of just a security guard making min wage. Minor wound, he’ll be fine.

  33. Brian Brownshirt's Nemesis says

    A little modification of Brian’s press release from today:

    “Today’s attack is the clearest sign we’ve seen that labeling pro-marriage groups as ‘hateful’ must end,” said Brian Brown, President of NOM. “The Southern Poverty Law Center has labeled the Family Research Council a ‘hate group’ for its pro-marriage views, and less than a day ago the Human Rights Campaign issued a statement calling FRC a ‘hate group’—they even specified that FRC hosts events in Washington, DC, where today’s attack took place.”

    “NOM has always condemned all violence and vilification connected to our ongoing national debate about the meaning and definition of marriage,” Brown stated. “For too long national gay rights groups have intentionally marginalized and ostracized pro-marriage groups and individuals by labeling them as ‘hateful’ and ‘bigoted’ — such harmful and dangerous labels deserve no place in our civil society and NOM renews its call today for gay rights groups and the Southern Poverty Law Center to withdraw such incendiary rhetoric from a debate that involves millions of good Americans,” added Brown.

    Brown concluded: “Violence is never the answer, and on that we all must agree, or risk the consequences.”

  34. EmmittBrownBTTF1 says

    If you are going to deny social privilege to 5 to 10% of 350 million, your a monstrous ignoramus to not realize that some of them are going to get pissed at you beyond reason. However being a monstrous ignoramus tends to go hand in hand with pushing the Christian right agenda.

    Any group the praises capital punishment for what Uganda calls “aggravated homosexuality” involving consenting adults walks like a duck talk like a duck and is reasonably describable as a hate group.

    Some folks call this Karma, others “blow back”.
    It is however a natural consequence.
    Pity the security guard got hurt. Shame on those who preach hate and discrimination whine about persecution when others object and accuse those who take the time to understand the science of ignorance or those who call out their intolerance of being bigots.

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