1. AllBeefPatty says

    “mostly Catholics who believe in “traditional marriage”

    Yes sheeple. Keep taking your cues from a man who wears a purple cape and carries a gold scepter.

  2. UFFDA says

    This is somewhat upsetting, no doubt. Does this mean that we have met OUR Waterloo? In France for the time being perhaps.

    Homophobes everywhere are going to say that the French at least have now shown they have common sense which is often easily doubted here.

    I would love to hear from OS2GUY about this as he is a deeply French American who takes his husband and son to France where he has old family connections.

  3. lukebrux says

    Do not get impressed real public demonstration in France got in the past several millions people. Do not forget that they were all there, the catholic church and several political groups paid the trip to countryside families to be there, free transport and meal were organized for the day. Someone talk about Muslims, they would never demonstrate with those fascist.

  4. EchtKultig says

    What they said LOL. The French will protest anything, and, remember, it’s a lot easier to draw bigots into Paris from all over the country than it would be to get them to DC. The TGV on advanced purchase is cheaper than most airline tickets.
    I think Hollande will look at even liberal states passing gay marriage in the US – considered an ultra-right country to most in Europe – and see the writing on the wall. The french won’t be out-liberal-ed! I bet the secular anti-marriage activists are even bigger closet cases than the religious ones in the US. Remember the french guy who dressed as a giant bird? How gay is that? LOL

  5. Craig says

    Exactly what David from Houston said, Less than 1% of the population. But considering many bigots wouldn’t make the trip to Paris, even at 500,000 that would only be less than 1/5 of the population of City of Paris. Is that enough people to say it’s okay to discriminate?

  6. Sargon Bighorn says

    As others have commented, WHO is asking for marriage equality in France if not Gay citizens. To suggest the protest is in “no way directed at Homosexuals” makes no sense given the facts. Gay citizens are clearly the target of this hate.

  7. scott says

    I think people on both sides of the debate in the UK, France, and the US have to be careful about transcribing fights for marriage equality from one nation to another. France has had civil partnerships since ’99, and the UK since 2005. In the US, civil unions and even marriages don’t mean that you are treated as straight married couples under federal law. I’m not sure if civil partnered (what a ridiculously clunky name! another reason for marriage equality) couples in France and the UK are treated the same under federal tax laws and pension/retirement laws.

    According to other news reports, there is a gay guy marching with Barjot today, against marriage equality. It does make me sad- as well as angry- that any gay person could do that. Obviously, I can’t speak to another’s intent and thoughts for doing something like that, but my experience with people like that is that they enjoy the shock value and like to feel edgy- as in “oooh, I’m gay, and I’m different and unique because I don’t think marriage should be for us.”

  8. TampaZeke says

    It always astonishes me how much more passionate anti-gay people are about denying gay people rights than most gay people are about fight FOR their own rights. And certainly more passionate that the vast majority of our family and friends are about promoting our rights.

  9. ratbastard says

    Yes, people protest in Paris all the time, it’s the capital city. And yes, it was a big protest. All is not as rosy as some ‘progressives’ would like people to believe in Euroland. But I already knew this. I take anything a shill for the far left or far right with a big grain of salt.

  10. Yupp says

    But, as much as I love France and most things French, I know it’s not for me to criticize these protestors too much. I’m very self-conscious about butting in on another country’s business. Even if it’s just giving my opinion.

  11. says

    i *do* love how protests like this are always stocked to the gills with crankety “old” people. as the sun begins to set on them, they pause to reflect on whom it was they hated most in life, and how they can drive one more hurtful weapon into their hearts.

    it’s gotta be a sad way to spend your twilight years – desperate to hold onto a world that everyone else has given up on.


  12. simon says

    What is new here? The protesters are the same people who voted for the conservative parties. They don’t have the votes in the assemblies which is the only thing that matters.

  13. Dave says

    Belonsky, 120,000 is not “hundreds of thousands.” We already knew that you were unqualified to write on Towleroad. You don’t need to keep proving it daily.

  14. Gary says

    They argue that same-sex marriage would cause psychological and social harm to children, which they believe should trump the desire for equal rights for gay adults. Wonder if The Supreme Court is listening? This is a big demonstration.

  15. Karl says

    The march passed by my apartment today – it was nearly 100% white older people, mostly bussed in from outside of Paris (so not Parisians). There were also tons of children brought along by their parents (presumably some of whom will turn out to be gay and be scarred by being brought there). What surprised me was that nearly all the “staff” people (security, info, etc) were in their teens and early 20s – perhaps church groups?

    They were blasting songs like “Barbara Streisand”, which didn’t make much sense given the message. They were also lead by a crazy washed-up commedienne named Frigide Barjot, who probably is frigid and is the French equivalent of Victoria Jackson.

    Of course, there was a similar pro-gay-marriage rally and march a few weeks ago, that was also huge (it was larger than the entire Bastille square and spilled onto the surrounding streets). No people were bussed in for that! It was only locals, and much more impressive!

  16. oh dear! says

    But, as much as I love France and most things French, I know it’s not for me to criticize these protestors too much. I’m very self-conscious about butting in on another country’s business. Even if it’s just giving my opinion. – YUPP

    How could you not have an opinion (even if it’s considered criticizing) on what happens to another human being even if those people aren’t as close as our neighbors. They are our brothers & sisters & it’s human to feel compassion…of course if their government do intend to pass marriage equality it would be a rude awakening for those Christianist!

  17. stephen lucas says

    Let’s not forget that the sleazy French made lesbianism hip in porn movies but only if it served the grubby fetishes of straight guys. Ewww…what a horrible country. A country of smelly, non-bathing primitives.

  18. Yupp says

    Oh Dear! : Well…then I’d have to have compassion for the marchers too, right? Anyway, I already said I’m sure (I hope) these people are fighting a losing battle against the younger generations of Europeans. (But I’m still reasonably conscious of trying to be too polite to butt into another nation’s business TOO much).

  19. Yupp says

    Stephen : C’mon. They also gave us modern chemistry. And a zillion other scientific advances. They’re not just…good food and great sex (though those things are achievements too).

  20. oh dear! says

    Let’s not give all the credit to the French for popularizing lesbianism – I think the minute (straight & bi) man learned to walk he had that one figured out as well.

  21. stephen lucas says

    Didn’t we help the French out during World War II when they were about to be annihilated by the Germans? Have the French forgotten the role of gays in D day?

  22. Yupp says

    Oh…Stephen….I know. And French history is filled with all kinds of awesome homos. But we can throw that argument out there directed against anti-gay protestors in almost any country : the U.S., England, Italy…Germany..Japan….The anti-gay protestors don’t represent the country overall, and are not even logical.

  23. oh dear! says

    Didn’t we help the French out during World War II when they were about to be annihilated by the Germans? Have the French forgotten the role of gays in D day? – stephen lucas

    A lot of people/nations allied against the Nazis, in fact even Nazis turned against one another. The French weren’t ‘saved’ simply to imply a dept on them, to suggest this is ridiculous. Every survivor was sacrificed to prevent Hitler to globalize. There is no debt owed, the reward is greater for we live in a far better world than if I’d have to start my day with a Heil!

  24. Eivar says

    Actually, despite what a lot of people in the forum are claiming (99% of French citizens are pro-gay marriage), only 52% of French people favor legalizing gay marriage, according to a survey released on Sunday.

    The French aren’t as “gay-friendly” as people in the US would like to believe.

  25. simon says

    stephen lucas
    “Didn’t we help the French out during World War II when they were about to be annihilated by the Germans? ”
    Before that, it was kind of irony of fate that Louis XVI helped to undercut the British in the American revolutionary war.

  26. oh dear! says

    gay marriage “makes no sense” because a child should be born to a man and woman. – Frigide Barjot

    It makes sense that a child is born from a man & a woman she’s right with that one but she’s wrong when she thinks it gives her the right to use that against me so I can’t marry the one I love. Marriage isn’t just for those who can reproduce – it’s about two souls coming together to unite as one in love ( & God for the religulous ones). Some straight married couples can’t reproduce naturally so they adopt…the same reason same-sex couples do – they want to have a family – a legacy! Gay marriage makes sense it creates family to children who didn’t have the luxury of staying with the ones they were born into.

  27. Oliver says

    This happened here in Spain too. Seven years later, nobody cares.
    Some people were smart enough to even watch the good business that gay weddings are

    Posted by: jjose712 | Jan 13, 2013 2:29:34 PM


  28. TampaZeke says

    Yeah, seven years later in Spain with a right-wing Nationalist Party in power and STILL no one is turning the clock back on marriage equality.

    I think that the French will, in the not too distant future, be VERY ashamed of this day in their history.

  29. shawnthesheep says

    “the organizers are keen to stress their movement is non-political and non-religious, and in no way directed against homosexuals…”

    What? They are protesting a politician’s proposal to legalize gay marriage. They’d prefer, largely for religious reasons, that gay relationships keep their second-class status. That is the opposite of “non-political and non-religious, and in no way directed against homosexuals.”

  30. jamal49 says

    I wish to be optimistic that marriage equality will prevail in France. Still, 120,000+ protesters against equality is nothing to ignore. The absurdity of it all is that France is supposed to be a “secular” country, yet the Catholic Church and now the large and growing Muslim population have undue influence on public policy in France. That is a shame. One hopes that marriage equality and full civil equality for LGBT people will be recognized legally.

  31. simon says

    François Hollande had 18,000,668 votes while his opponent got 16,860,685 votes in the last election. I would start to worry if the protest drew more than 20 millions people.

  32. billmiller says

    The Catholics and Muslims hate one another, and the Muslims are (as a group) causing trouble for gays everywhere. I know several gay muslims in France, but a lot of trouble is being caused in Holland.

  33. andrew says

    “HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS” ??? Accurate headline? NO !!! Police estimate the number of protesters at 120,000. Thats a lot of people, but what it ain’t is “HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS”.

  34. simon says

    The number of protesters were not that significant. That was only a small fraction of people who voted for Holland’s opponent. We also know those were mostly religious nuts who will march to Jerusalem if the Pope told them to do so.

  35. simon says

    It is France and not US. It looks impressive. French in general are more “organized”. That’s why the Labour unions in France are some powerful force to reckon with. It probably is also true for religious organizations. It is not like in the US, Walker of Wisconsin was able to bully the unions there.

  36. coexxi says

    Gay marriage already exists in France. This people protest against gay adoption rights. Even so I think this reactionary nutjobs are sad, sad people one should not forget that not all of the French are like this.

  37. simon says

    They are not against gay adoption right. That is just an excuse. They just don’t like gay people. The French prime minister has already pointed out the hypocrisy that gay families already exist in France because single people can adopt children.
    They should also protest against single parents if they are serious about one man one woman for a child.

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