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Pastor Louie Giglio Calls Homosexuality 'One of the Most Difficult [Issues] Our Nation Will Navigate'

Pastor Tony Giglio, who removed himself from Obama's inaugural line-up earlier today after a sermon surfaced in which he said, among other things, that gays will go to Hell, posted a message to his church elaborating on an earlier statement.

GiglioSays Giglio in part:

The issue of homosexuality (which a particular message of mine some 20 years ago addressed) is one of the most difficult our nation will navigate. However, individuals’ rights of freedom, and the collective right to hold differing views on any subject is a critical balance we, as a people, must recover and preserve.

As a pastor, my mission is to love people, and lead them well, while lifting up the name of Jesus above anything else. I’m confident that anyone who knows me or has listened to the multitude of messages I have given in the last decade would most likely conclude that I am not easily characterized as being opposed to people—any people. Rather, I am constantly seeking to understand where all people are coming from and how to best serve them as I point them to Jesus.

In all things, the most helpful thing I can do is to invite each of us to wrestle with scripture and its implications for our lives. God’s words trump all opinions, including mine, and in the end, I believe God’s words lead to life.

Meanwhile, the religious right-wing has gone predictably nuts over the Giglio withdrawal. A bevy of reactions here.

T_perkinsWrote FRC's Tony Perkins:

“This is another example of intolerance from the Obama administration toward those who hold to biblical views on sexuality. Why is the president surprised that an evangelical pastor would teach from Scripture on homosexuality? One would be hard pressed to find an Evangelical pastor who hasn’t preached on what the Bible teaches about human sexuality.

“Catholic, Evangelical Protestant, and Orthodox churches all actively proclaim that sexual intimacy within the marriage of one man and one woman is the only biblically-sanctioned human sexual behavior. Are the scores of millions of Americans who affirm these teachings no longer welcome at the inauguration of our president?

Added Perkins in an email:

"What a difference four years makes! In 2009, when the Left was in an uproar about Pastor Rick Warren's prayer, the President was quick to come to his defense. 'We have to disagree without being disagreeable and then focus on those things we hold in common as Americans.' Now, having revealed his true position on same-sex 'marriage,' the President seems determined to create even more division. If anything, this pulls back the curtain on the Left's real agenda. And it's not about tolerance. It's about forced acceptance. Americans need to wake up and realize that the homosexual movement cannot be appeased--not by marriage, not by special benefits, not by anything but the sanitization of Christianity from the public square."

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  1. A typical Christian pile of sh!t

    Posted by: Steve | Jan 10, 2013 8:56:25 PM


  2. I am sure the Obama's administration is also intolerance of the KKK, the Neo-nazis and terrorists as well.

    Posted by: MalaysianHo | Jan 10, 2013 9:00:56 PM


  3. You know, it really isn't all that difficult, Louie, except for the irrational. And when future generations look back on people like him and the bigots who are up in arms because--surprise!--their anti-gay views are falling out of the mainstream, they will see that the concept of treating gay people as equal citizens was actually quite simple.

    Posted by: Ernie | Jan 10, 2013 9:07:48 PM


  4. In the early years of the century, we cannot know how the division of gay marriage could devastate our culture. This isn't the "Star Trek" model. America is full of guns and hatred in 2013.

    Posted by: Gary | Jan 10, 2013 9:17:17 PM


  5. One of these days Tony Perkins' "luggage handler" will bring down that hate group.

    Posted by: Joseph L. | Jan 10, 2013 9:17:26 PM


  6. I hold a biblical view on slavery so stop oppressing me and get to the back of the bus.

    Posted by: terdec | Jan 10, 2013 9:18:07 PM


  7. Anti-gay (21st Century Gay) always has anyone against them as full of hate Their way or the "hate way." There are hundreds of issues that have nothing to do with love or hate in the gay argument. It's the self entitled culture that fuels it One day they'll see where that got them.

    Posted by: Gary | Jan 10, 2013 9:22:05 PM


  8. "The sanitization of christianity from the public square."

    God that sounds good to me!

    Posted by: Tim | Jan 10, 2013 9:48:08 PM


  9. So bizarre to me that anyone believes in the bible, yet members of my family do. And some don't. Makes for hilarious holidays.

    Posted by: Paul R | Jan 10, 2013 10:05:52 PM


  10. Yes, I'm sure that if Mitt Romney had won and asked a pro-gay minister to speak at his inauguration that Tony Perkins would have silently stood by, beaming his approval!

    Uh-huh. Right.

    Face it, Tony. You and those like you with a "Biblical view of sexuality" endorsed Mitt Romney and YOU LOST! So here's the World's Smallest Tabernacle Choir singing a sad song just for you.

    *wah* *Wah* *WAAAHHHHH*

    Posted by: Caliban | Jan 10, 2013 10:06:55 PM


  11. As a Christian man who happens to be gay, I always think it odd when any person who pretends or claims to be Christian tries to justify his sinful feelings of hatred by using the name of the radically inclusive and loving Christ. After all, seventy-two percent of gay Americans are Christian and 10 percent of all Christians are gay. It's nice to see that in Maine, Minnesota, Illinois, Washington, Rhode Island, and elsewhere, the Christian churches have been leading the push for full civil marriage equality. This seems particularly true of the United Church of Christ, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, and Lutherans.

    Posted by: DB | Jan 10, 2013 10:21:44 PM


  12. Some Christians are not the only ones that need to move towards a new direction of understanding and respect. Many in the GLBT and progressive communities have a long ways to go themselves. In fact, let’s be honest, both sides fail at being “tolerant” of one another. The goal should not be to make other people agree with you, but to value their right to live in accordance with their beliefs.

    Posted by: Javier | Jan 10, 2013 10:25:27 PM


  13. Where does Obama dig these people up in the first place?! There are a MILLION inclusive and articulate pastors in this world. It isn't hard to avoid these whack jobs. It blows my mind.

    Posted by: Troy | Jan 10, 2013 10:25:44 PM


  14. Well, the more wackos exposed, the better to highlight just how ridiculous, bigoted and extreme the right-wing and fundamentalists in general are.

    Anyway, the whining is funny to see. Homophobia has consequences.

    Posted by: Francis | Jan 10, 2013 10:35:33 PM


  15. Why is it so difficult to navigate? You either hate people or you don't. You meddle in their lives or you don't. You are a busybody or you aren't. It's not that difficult. Maybe the arrogant man who wants to be revered is dumb.

    Posted by: Phil | Jan 10, 2013 10:41:12 PM


  16. The pastor's wording makes me laugh. First off is "the most difficult issue our nation will navigate." Makes me want to say "Oh, the stormy seas of gay rights! Steer that ship, captain." Secondly, "wrestle with scripture." Are we in a contest with the Bible? I would think that if so, the Bible has the edge in that fight, being that it is the Word of God. But maybe I'm just tired because its getting late.

    I liked Javier's comment about us all needing to be tolerant of other's right to hold different views. The fact is that for millenia gay sex has been considered sinful and anti-social by Western society. We can't expect that in a few short years we'll be able to take what was considered the only "normal" view and now equate it with accepting the Klan. History doesn't work this way. In another 20 or even 40 years there will still be millions of people who think gay sex is immoral. Our goal should be to co-exist with them or GENTLY try to change their minds. A peaceful life is just as important as equality.

    Posted by: Mary | Jan 10, 2013 10:53:44 PM


  17. Let's just out bible-thump Tony Perkins by telling him to "give unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's and unto God the things that are God's."

    I.e., the state can do what it likes with a state-issued marriage license, and whether anyone chooses to recognize it as somehow sacred is that person's choice.

    It's a cute argument, but a bit controversial. read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Render_unto_Caesar... for an overview of how people try to twist it to support their position on taxation.

    But don't worry. Tony Perkin's skill set does not seem to include subtlety.

    Posted by: Bill | Jan 10, 2013 11:05:29 PM


  18. "The goal should not be to make other people agree with you, but to value their right to live in accordance with their beliefs."

    Ah, but there's the rub. If were a matter of them living THEIR lives according to their beliefs there wouldn't be a problem, but they want to impose their religious beliefs on others, codify them into civil LAW. Or their religion tells them the Earth is 6,000 years old and they want that taught as science in PUBLIC SCHOOLS.

    I might think their beliefs are ignorant, and they would be better off rejecting superstition in favor of science, but I don't really give a wet f*art WHAT they believe so long as they keep it to themselves. I've never tried to prevent them from marrying, take their children away from them, or have them imprisoned. I haven't blamed them for hurricanes, tornadoes, or childhood obesity even though there's a correlation there that's pretty hard to overlook (or see around).

    If they could say the same thing I wouldn't even know they exist.

    Posted by: Caliban | Jan 10, 2013 11:22:55 PM


  19. CALIBAN: Preach! Don't ask me to peacefully coexist with those who would see me destroyed. Sorry Mary et al, but it don't work that way. This is a civil rights battle, just like it was for blacks and others in decades past. Would you have told those loud, pesky darkies to just sit quietly at the back of the bus for the sake of peaceful coexistence? Yes, I think you probably would have.

    Posted by: fedorajoe | Jan 10, 2013 11:37:28 PM


  20. It's only difficult for them because their personal bigotry--justified by their personal religious interpretations--are falling more and more outside of the mainstream, and, if they have a brain, they know it will only get more "difficult" for them. But, in retrospect, their "difficulties" will be viewed similarly to those that greeted racial inequalities. The problem for the anti-gay religious is that they haven't yet accepted that they're on the wrong side of history.

    @Javier: Valuing a person's right to have a personal faith is different than valuing views that support depriving us of our civil rights. Tolerance of and respect for views that support discrimination only enable them to continue. We don't have to be apologists for the anti-gay, particularly since there are allies of faith we can and should respect because they value our humanity.

    Posted by: Ernie | Jan 10, 2013 11:50:22 PM


  21. One wants to shout in the faces of the bible-thumpers whenever they roil on about the "biblical view of sexuality": are you talking about the incest, the rape, the castration, the polygamy, the sexual mutilation? WHICH BIBLICAL VIEW OF SEXUALITY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? Because from where I sit, reading that execrable collection of tribal myths, the sexuality that is contained within is pretty raunchy and perverse.

    Posted by: jamal49 | Jan 11, 2013 1:49:10 AM


  22. It sounds to me like the guy is trying to walk back his earlier commentary.
    'individuals’ rights of freedom, and the collective right to hold differing views on any subject is a critical balance...
    seeking to understand where all people are coming from...
    wrestle with scripture and its implications for our lives.'
    You wrestle with scripture when you don't have all the answers, which is a far cry from the all-knowing, hate mongering fundamentalists out there.

    Posted by: Wilberforce | Jan 11, 2013 2:26:18 AM


  23. He is so upset---
    His history of bigoted speech has overwhelmed his more recent good works.
    NOTICE THE LACK OF AN APOLOGY -- SINCE YOU ARE A STUPID, LOWLY SINNER, HE THINKS YOUR FEELINGS DO NOT MATTER

    Posted by: Bob | Jan 11, 2013 4:14:07 AM


  24. @Javier
    Screw you. These people will never be content to just live with their beliefs. They will never be content until they take complete control over the country, create a Christian Saudi Arabia and force everyone else to live by their beliefs.

    Or to put it into legal terms. They have the right to hold their beliefs. And that's it. They don't have the right to have a platform for them. They don't have the right to act on them in all situations. And they most certainly don't have the right to enshrine them into law.

    Posted by: Steve | Jan 11, 2013 8:05:00 AM


  25. I cant imagine the total embarrassment it must be to be one of Tony's kids...he has a daughter in college ...no doubt, she denys ALOT being related to him.....what a legacy she'll have to look back on...kind of like Anita Bryant's kids...Notice you NEVER hear a peep out of them....?

    Posted by: Disgusted American | Jan 11, 2013 8:08:10 AM


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