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  1. says

    “the same”?

    it’s a continuation of it. the Civil Rights Movement is not over.

    before i had the courage to take gay and queer books out of the library i read about the civil rights movement for inspiration and to give me hope. also, the works of women like Gloria Steinem.

    of course there are parallels.

    Sojourner Truth? her words, centuries later, ring loud and clear with profound truth.

    Margaret Garner? her actions showed a bigoted and blind culture just what a culture of oppression does to people.

    and yeah, google Coretta Scott King. That incredible woman knew the truth – no one bigotry is any better or worse than another.

    http://littlekiwilovesbauhaus.blogspot.ca/2010/06/ongoing-civil-rights-movement.html

    no one groups has an exclusive hold over their leaders and figures throughout history. As a gay man I continue to find much empowerment from the works and stories of Malcolm X and the brave men and women of the ongoing civil rights movement.

  2. Stefan says

    I love the growth of panels on the news shows, most of which have just a bunch of people more or less agreeing with each other. By 2020 we should have dozens of “experts” and “contributors” talking to each other remotely and then an aggregating software that assembles the words used most often into catchy soundbites. IT WILL BE AWESOME.

  3. Derrick from Philly says

    Whoever thought up that question should be impaled on the Washington Monument. There is no such thing as Gay rights, Black rights or women’s rights. They are civil rights and they should be for everyone.
    Even idiots who make up stupid questions for CNN News deserve civil rights…from a distance.

  4. Gigi says

    “The Federal government doesn’t need to be put involved in that decision…Gay marriage, and marriage needs to be sumthin’ that the church decides.” Who gives a f#ck what teabagger Amy Kremer thinks? I’m not a violent person but whenever I see her face I wanna throw a cream pie at it.

  5. Chitown Kev says

    Well, the purpose of these type of things is to fill the airwaves with drama and it certainly does that.

    and whoever said that the civil rights movement was over anyway?

  6. brian says

    That question makes no sense. It’s like asking, “Are CNN reporters the same as Turner Broadcasting reporters?”

  7. brian says

    @chitownkev THE Civil Rights Movement ended when the Civil Rights Act was passed in the 60s. The law does not discriminate against black people anymore. I think you’re confusing civil rights with racism, which is certainly still pervasive.

  8. says

    the civil rights movement, Brian, was not just about legislations.

    it’s about ending the cultures of prejudice and bigotry.

    and it’s far far FAR from over.

  9. jamal49 says

    Divide and Conquer. That seems to be the point of this “panel discussion”. Derrick, of course, nails it to the wall. Civil rights are civil rights. Period.

  10. Ryan says

    I don’t know why people have to even attempt to suggest whether or not something is the same. Why can’t something just be similar? Discrimination against LGBT people isn’t the same as discrimination against black people, but there are *similarities* between the two (sometimes intersecting) groups of people. Our experiences aren’t necessarily a mirror, but that doesn’t mean we can’t relate to what each other is going through and understand what’s in each others’ hearts.

    The history of the civil rights movement and the LGBT civil rights movement isn’t the same, but there are certainly plenty of *similarities* (again, sometimes intersecting) between the two groups. Our experiences of trying to gain our rights in society may not be exactly the same, but there is enough commonalities between the two for everyone to recognize the pain and anguish we’ve had to go through to get where we are today, and the fact that the journey to full equality has yet to end for either group.

    There are similarities and there are differences between the two groups of people and the experiences they’ve gone through, but each at their base is about groups of people being oppressed by other groups of people who have more power and resources in a given society.

    We should all be able to appreciate both the similarities and differences, and always rally to the causes of other oppressed peoples. We are better off working together than apart.

  11. john patrick says

    Amy says no one has a constitutional right to marriage? As I recall, the Supreme Court says citizens have a constitutional right to marriage. Anything from a tea bagger makes me wonder. So many of them like to say they don’t get involved in social issues and it is all about the economy. But so many tea baggers don’t know what they are talking about when it comes to the economy, and so many of them have been pushing social issues.

  12. Derrick from Philly says

    I said that there are no such thing as “Black rights” or “Gay rights”, but now that I think about it I do use the term “women’s rights”. And I find that term acceptable (especially when you’re discussing the status of women in places like Afghanistan, North Africa, Saudi Arabia etc.).

    I think when someone says, “Black rights, Gay rights or Latino rights” there is a strong backlash. People think of those as giving “special rights”.

    But for some reason the same does not seem to apply when speaking of women’s rights. Maybe someone can commment with an explanation. Anyone EXCEPT Rick, please. I already know what his vagina envy answer is.

  13. Belthazar says

    “We should all be able to appreciate both the similarities and differences, and always rally to the causes of other oppressed peoples. We are better off working together than apart.”

    Well said Ryan! I would just add that I believe, unlike some, that the topic needs to be broached. While given that ‘my’ experiences is not the same yours, you want to discuss the commonality of the ‘feelings’ associated with each experience, particularly for those with “no dog in the fight”.

    As throughout history, allies have made significant contributions to moving “civil rights” forward in this country. Using marriage equality as an example, I may not identify with the inability to get married but I understand the oppressive feeling and injustice of it. Sometimes it is the case that people simply do not think of it in these terms (civil rights) and when they do, through cogent reasoned explanations, it becomes an aha moment.

    IMO, that is how you tie it all together and you cannot do that if you do not ask the question: Is gay rights civil rights? YES!

  14. Not that Rob says

    @Derrick, it’s about familiarity. Everyone knows a woman. The same can’t be said for gays, blacks, latinos, etc. Having said that, like other’s mentioned above, it’s all about civil rights. Separating them like you mentioned just pits groups of people against each other.

  15. Derrick from Philly says

    @Rob,

    yes your explanation absolutely makes sense. It’s like the term “chidren’s rights”. Who could object to such a thing…unless you’re some sort of religious fanatic or child abuser who believes children don’t have rights.

  16. Lymis says

    Derrick,

    It’s about “equal rights for women,” “equal rights for black people,” “equal rights for LGBT people” and so on.

    I certainly understand and approve of why the movement for black rights called itself the Civil Rights movement, but that doesn’t mean only black people have civil rights or that they are the only minority discriminated against by law.

    I have no problem breaking up the struggle for civil rights in this country into component movements by focus – and if the question was “do the current laws discriminate against gay people in identical ways to the way the laws a generation ago discriminated against American blacks?” that would be fine.

    The RIGHTS are the same. How they have been unconstitutionally and immorally constrained may vary by the times, the nature of the majority, and their power over the minority. The path to resolving that discrimination may also be different. Doesn’t change the nature of the rights we all share.

  17. Chitown Kev says

    Brian, I don’t need you to tell me when the civil rights movement occured.

    The civil rights movement began more than 100 years before the passasge of the CRA of 1964.

    I would argue as to whether the does or does not discriminate against black people (there’s some fancy legal terminology for how it does). but as long as the law discriminates against women or gay people, it discriminates against (some) blacks.

    Or at least under DADT, black women were more likely to get kicked out and targeted under that policy than any other group.

  18. David Hearne says

    For once Kiwi is right… sort of. It wouldn’t matter if every President from now on were black, the NAACP would still seek donations to perpetuate itself. That’s what these businesses do. That’s why I keep asking what the Human Rights Campaign plans to do with their building once all legal discrimination has ended. The answer is clear- they will keep on soliciting donations. They have already associated themselves with “coalition causes” which have nothing whatsoever to do with equal rights for gay people and which are counter to the political beliefs of most gay people.

    Both of these groups are fronts for the so-called “Progressives.”

    Then we have the SPLC who raise lying to an artform. These are the folks who in one breath claim that blacks are the number one victims of hate crimes and disproportionately the victims of violent crimes and in the next breath talk about “white supremacy groups” even though white supremacy groups have little or nothing to do with generating the claims.

    BTW- Want to know who keeps blacks on top of the hate crimes list? Google “crimes rooted in hatred increase” and Los Angeles Times.

    sample: The largest number of racial hate crimes involved Latino suspects against black victims, followed by black suspects against Latino victims. Latinos also made up the largest number of suspects in hate crimes based on sexual orientation. Whites were the leading suspects in religion-based incidents. Overall, blacks made up nearly half the hate crime victims, totaling 310.

  19. ForgerIan says

    CNN has time and time and time and time again attempted to put a wedge between gay people and black people.

    ENOUGH!!!!

    Why are we not holding CNN accountable?

  20. Kevin Alonso says

    Pinning one minority group against another is a page ripped out of the conservative guide book. This is very disappointing coming from CNN and makes me really question their position on LGBT.

  21. Jordan says

    Why does it matter? Black people deserve to be treated with the same respect and rights as gay people, and all people. Why does it have to be a competition? Why can’t we all support each other..and humanity?
    and I say this as a biracial man. I support gay rights and black civil rights and woman’s rights, because I support human rights. And common decency.

  22. Brian A. says

    Yea its easy for privileged white gay men to say its all the same thing. Its not. Check out the blatant racism in the gay community. Men of color are exotic sexual creatures to white gay men. Seriously? The black struggle for civil rights is NOT the same as the gay struggle for marriage equality.

  23. Caliban says

    @ Brian A, that YOU reduce the entire gay rights struggle to be exclusively about marriage equality just shows how limited your opinions are. How about getting and keeping a job, finding housing, or just not getting the sh*t beat out of you or murdered on the street? Or do you think those problems have been solved? They haven’t. How about not having teachers and coaches in public schools stand by and watch while gay kids, or those who are suspected of being gay, are driven to despair and suicide? How about those teachers and coaches not just being silent but actively encouraging it by bringing their religious bullsh*t into public schools?

    Black people don’t OWN the Civil Rights movement and suffering isn’t a competition. Newsflash: black people didn’t deserve rights and freedom BECAUSE OF slavery and Jim Crow. They deserved it because it was justice, our Constitution guaranteed them for ALL. But if suffering did earn a group full rights it’s past time for gays to have them. Our history is one told in court documents, of men beaten and hanged for the “crime” of loving other men. Or if they were lucky just put in mental institutions and given shock treatments.

    Are the two struggles identical? No. But like people of other races and genders there have ALWAYS been LGBT people in every civilization and every time period. It’s a fact of life. No one owns the movement for human rights and there is no grand champion sufferer before which everyone else must bow.

  24. None says

    Certainly not the same.

    AA were fighting for the right to equal pay; the right to access housing; the right to use same restrooms; the right to attend the same schools as white folk; the right to sit at the counter with white folk; and the right to be protected and not to be beaten or killed at will at the hands of others.

    We as gay folk are basically fighting for the right to be protected and get married, and while that is important it is not comparable to the AA experience.

  25. Brian A. says

    @Caliban: I don’t need a lesson on gay history, I know it. I still don’t agree with you. White gay men have the privilege of being men and being white.
    My husband and I are both Latinos. We can be discriminated by Whites, whether they’re gay or straight. Period.
    @None: EXACTLY. Thank you.

  26. Morton says

    Brian A. You have far more rights as a Latino than gay people do, and far more privileges too! Heck, illegal Latinos are treated more equally and protected than legal gay citizens. Your homophobia and catholic background are showing dear. Check your own privilege .