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Boy Scouts Send Out Survey to Pack Leaders Asking Questions About Gay Scenarios, Biased Policies: READ IT

Towleroad has obtained screenshots from a pack leader of a survey sent out by the Boy Scouts of America asking them to rate the acceptability of various scenarios related to gay scouts and scout leaders, along with some additional questions about its policies.

In early February, the BSA announced that it would not vote on lifting the ban then but delay it till May.

BsaThe questions in the survey seem pointed, to say the least:

Bob is 15 years old, and the only openly gay Scout in a Boy Scout troop. Is it acceptable or unacceptable for the troop leader to allow Bob to tent with a heterosexual boy on an overnight camping trip?

Tom started in the program as a Tiger Cub, and finished every requirement for the Eagle Scout Award at 16 years of age. At his board of review Tom reveals that he is gay. Is it acceptable or unacceptable for the review board to deny his Eagle Scout award based on that admission?

Johnny, a first grade boy, has joined Tiger Cubs with his friends. Johnny's friends and their parents unanimously nominate Johnny's mom, who is known by them to be lesbian, to be the den leader. Johnny's pack is chartered to a church where the doctrine of that faith does not teach that homosexuality is wrong. Is it acceptable or unacceptable for his mother to serve as a den leader for his Cub Scout den?

A troop is chartered by an organization that does not believe homosexuality is wrong and allows gays to be ministers. The youth minister traditionally serves as the Scoutmaster for the troop. The congregation hires a youth minister who is gay. Is it acceptable or unacceptable for this youth minister to serve as the Scoutmaster?

David, a Boy Scout, believes that homosexuality is wrong. His troop is chartered to a church where the doctrine of that faith also teaches that homosexuality is wrong. Steve, an openly gay youth, applies to be a member in the troop and is denied membership. Is it acceptable or unacceptable for this troop to deny Steve membership in their troop?

A gay male troop leader, along with another adult leader, is taking a group of boys on a camping trip following the youth protection guidelines of two-deep leadership. Is it acceptable or unacceptable for the gay adult leader to take adolescent boys on an overnight camping trip?

Other questions include this one, which is asked both before and after the questions asked above:

The current Boy Scouts of America requirements, stated above, prohibit open homosexuals from being Scouts or adult Scout leaders. To what extent do you support or oppose this requirement?

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Different organizations that charter Boy Scout troops have different positions on the morality of homosexuality. Do you support or oppose allowing charter organizations to follow their own beliefs when selecting Boy Scout members and adult leaders, if that means there will be different standards from one organization to the next?

What is your greatest concern if the policy remains in place and openly gay youth and adults are prohibited from joining Scouting?

What is your greatest concern if the policy is changed to allow charter organizations to make their own decisions to admit openly gay Scouts and leaders?

Do you believe the current policy prohibiting open homosexuals from being Scouts or adult Scout leaders is a core value of Scouting found in the Scout Oath and Law?

If the Boy Scouts of America makes a decision on this policy that disagrees with your own view, will you continue to participate in the Boy Scouts, or will you leave the organization?

How likely is it that you would recommend volunteering in the Scouting program to other friends or acquaintances?

 Screenshots of the survey below (Click to enlarge):

 

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  1. In reading these questions it sounds to me like they're exploring a partial lift of the ban as a ploy to blunt criticism: we will permit gay scouts to do this or that, but they are still prohibited from doing thus-and-so. They can then claim credit for making "progress" and stave off loss of corporate sponsorship.

    Posted by: BZ | Mar 11, 2013 8:55:50 AM


  2. I agree with @BZ, this sounds suspicious. Especially notice these 2 questions:

    "What is your greatest concern if the policy remains in place and openly gay youth and adults are prohibited from joining Scouting?"

    "What is your greatest concern if the policy is changed to allow charter organizations to make their own decisions to admit openly gay Scouts and leaders?"

    Where is the obvious third question:

    "What is your greatest concern if openly gay youth and adults are welcomed at all levels of Scouting?"

    It seems like the only option that would provide consistency, leadership, and equality, is absent.


    Posted by: Strepsi | Mar 11, 2013 9:00:08 AM


  3. Good Gawd! How much more loaded can these BSA questions get? If this is how they're going to measure discrimination regarding gay scouts and leaders, I seriously doubt anything is going to change.

    Posted by: HadenoughBS | Mar 11, 2013 9:00:20 AM


  4. well that was odd.

    Posted by: Little Kiwi | Mar 11, 2013 9:07:00 AM


  5. Nowhere do I see the question:

    "If the ban were lifted and a LGBT scout pack were created, would it be OK to deny heterosexual scouts/leaders solely based on that criteria?"

    Exclusion can go more than one way.

    Posted by: J. Alan | Mar 11, 2013 9:08:54 AM


  6. Ridiculous scenarios. No one names their son Bob anymore.

    Posted by: TC | Mar 11, 2013 9:25:21 AM


  7. The basic problem they have is their being tightly tied to churches and religious-based organizations. If that weren't the case, this would be a non-issue.

    It's all tied to money.

    The supposed "faith-based" connections are where the majority of the scout's parents money flows in from. Piss them off and you turn that faucet off. And they are worried about that faucet, boys and girls.

    Posted by: johnny | Mar 11, 2013 9:28:35 AM


  8. And yes, these are horribly "front-end loaded" questions.

    Posted by: johnny | Mar 11, 2013 9:28:54 AM


  9. "Bob is 15 years old, and the only openly gay Scout in a Boy Scout troop. Is it acceptable or unacceptable for the troop leader to allow Bob to tent with a heterosexual boy on an overnight camping trip?"

    No, it is not. The heterosexual boy might decide in the course of the night to pummel the Bob into a bloody pulp as an expression of support for the Boy Scouts' anti-gay policies. As a troop leader, I am responsible for the safety of every troop member. You just can't trust straight kids these days.

    Posted by: jpeckjr | Mar 11, 2013 9:33:38 AM


  10. Morally upright should replace morally straight in the scout oath, as that is obviously the meaning originally intended.
    Straight, as synonymous with heterosexual, is a more recent understanding.

    Posted by: matt | Mar 11, 2013 9:35:27 AM


  11. Is it Packs, Troops, or both? There are differences.

    Posted by: Mike in the tundra | Mar 11, 2013 9:42:44 AM


  12. A very clever collaborative effort by Salt Lake City and Rome! The questions are loaded. The answers are loaded. Everything about this "survey" screams push poll. Just one example: everyone knows that using the word "homosexual" instead of "gay and lesbian" results in more negative responses. So guess which option they chose?

    Posted by: TampaZeke | Mar 11, 2013 9:49:13 AM


  13. Gender hypocrisy makes me sick.

    "Bob is 15 years old, and the only openly gay Scout in a Boy Scout troop. Is it acceptable or unacceptable for the troop leader to allow Bob to tent with a heterosexual boy on an overnight camping trip?"

    Men are so hung-up on penetration, and how through the ages FORCED penetration was the definition of owning a woman, that they would absolutely freak out at the thought of their boys being penetrated.

    Dumb*sses, how about your young 14 year-old girl shacking up with an out Lesbian? Nobody ever questions or cares about the validity of rape within female gender, as if they are inconsequential.

    How about raising children with the knowledge that forcing one's sexuality on another is in ALL SITUATIONS UNACCEPTABLE. Your sexual orientation is in NO WAY an indication of your predatory violent behavior towards others!

    The problem with the "Boy scout" is in no way related to sexual orientation, that is not where the danger is coming from, it is the pedophiles that mistake the easy access to said upstanding organization for their favorite all-access playground, and for their predatory behaviors to run free. This truly pisses me off.

    Posted by: Maguitac | Mar 11, 2013 9:51:02 AM


  14. Meh, this is a great thing. These people are frightened, stupid and backwards. They need to get this crap out of their system. When dealing with stupid, bigoted, backwards people, you should slowly introduce them to the concept of insulting by questions. But let the offensive questions come in the start.

    Posted by: Fensox | Mar 11, 2013 9:57:26 AM


  15. The commenters here don't understand how BSA is organized. You need to look at this as positive step and not read more into it, nor expect a full endorsement versus tolerance. Insisting on that will go no where as about half of all chartering units would drop out of BSA, and BSA is not about to commit suicide.

    Individual chartered organizations ALREADY have the right to restrict membership and leadership in their units, such as restricting membership to members of their church. When that happens, the local BSA District makes sure that there are other Scout units that accept others. No one has any heartburn over that and the vast majority of units accept folks of every religion.

    So the proposed policy is simply an extension of the current religious policies, to make sure that there is a place for gay kids in Scouting.

    Posted by: GCW587 | Mar 11, 2013 10:07:41 AM


  16. I look forward to a day when the way I was born is not subject to a vote, a survey, or other subjective opinion.

    Posted by: Mitch | Mar 11, 2013 10:18:16 AM


  17. GCW587 and JOHNNY--Thanks for seeing this for what it is. It really is as far as the BSA would ever be willing to go toward "acceptance."

    Posted by: Thomas | Mar 11, 2013 10:55:34 AM


  18. Some people are against homosexuality and some are for it. The main focus here should be whether or not an attraction could occur. Isn't that why there is a boy scout and a girl scout, to separate the sexes. Whats the difference here? Straight little boys should have a right to attend a straight boy scout unit.Start up a gay boys scout and let our straight little boys and parents who are against it be comfortable with sending their children on over night camping trips.

    Posted by: donna | Mar 11, 2013 11:04:50 AM


  19. BTW, an organized group of Cub Scouts is called a Pack. An orgnanized group of Boy Scouts is a Troop. (from a gay Eagle Scout).

    Posted by: Frank | Mar 11, 2013 11:25:57 AM


  20. In my opinion if the Boy Scouts of America is willing to change its Moral standing with every change in public sentiment it no longer has a moral standing and does not deserve my membership.

    Posted by: Isaac | Mar 11, 2013 11:34:33 AM


  21. I quit cub scouts in Fourth Grade.
    I simply didn't understand the purpose of it.
    I lived in a semi-rural area, so it wasn't like it was teaching me about the woods.
    I had a mom who taught me how to do crafts and a dad who taught me how to tie knots so I didn't need someone else's mother hovering over me.
    My grandmother or my aunt would watch me after school, so I didn't need Scouts in lieu of day care.
    I simply didn't see the enjoyment of hanging out in someone else's house with their mom during my free time. I always thought that the time after school and before dinner belonged to me.

    Posted by: David Hearne | Mar 11, 2013 11:39:29 AM


  22. Isaac -

    Your comment presumes that there is no objective way to determine a moral stand. Your position is in and of itself amoral.

    There is an organic morality in the world, one which is universal and found in all cultures including those which have a corrupt religious moral code imposed upon them.

    The Boy Scout policy is not moral in any organic way. Objectively, it is fear of witches.

    Having said that, the BSA is a private club which is entitled to discriminate in any way they choose as long as they aren't sucking at the public tit preferentially. The public is also entitled to criticize the BSA as often and as loudly as the public chooses. If that makes the BSA uncomfortable: tough titty.

    Posted by: David Hearne | Mar 11, 2013 11:45:50 AM


  23. David-

    As you mentioned, this is a private club that is entitled to discriminate in any way they choose. I am simply commenting on the fact that the Boy Scouts of America has existed for over 100 years with a very strict moral code of honor that does not allow homosexuality among its members. That is a very moral policy. By changing this policy it is inherently saying "We do not stand by our morals any longer".

    Posted by: Isaac | Mar 11, 2013 12:21:09 PM


  24. Uh... how about "Should the Boy Scouts of America be open to ALL boys in America?"

    I notice not a peep about that. Gay boys win and atheists lose? That's not something I'm going to cheer about.

    Posted by: BobN | Mar 11, 2013 12:34:07 PM


  25. I hope they end discrimination against Scouts and restrict the local discretion to Scout leaders alone.

    @ISAAC Have you ever wondered why public sentiment has changed in favor of gay people? I think it's because we know better know what homosexuality is and who it involves. I can grant you that promiscuity and adultery are immoral, but as a gay man I can't even fathom how my attraction to men which came completely natural to me is immoral, how me being in love is immoral or how me being in a committed, monogamous relationship is immoral.

    Posted by: Kyle | Mar 11, 2013 1:04:52 PM


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