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Rachel Maddow on the New Pope's 'War of God' Against Gay Marriage in Argentina: VIDEO


Rachel Maddow took a look at Pope Francis (then Cardinal Borgoglio)'s war with the Argentinian President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner over same-sex marriage in Argentina in a segment that aired last night, noting that "Cardinal Borgoglio called on God to get Argentina's senators to vote against gay marriage."

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The AP posted a related article today, noting:

According to the new pope’s authorized biographer, Sergio Rubin, Bergoglio was politically wise enough to know the church couldn’t win a straight-on fight against gay marriage, so he urged his bishops to lobby for gay civil unions instead. It wasn’t until his proposal was shot down by the bishops’ conference that he publicly declared what Paulon described as the “war of God” — and the church lost the issue altogether.

Despite his conservatism, “Bergoglio is known for being moderate and finding a balance between reactionary and progressive sectors,” Paulon said. “When he came out strongly against gay marriage, he did it under pressure from the conservatives.”

Andrés Duque at Blabbeando looked into it a bit more, adding, "I have yet to find independent reports that Bergoglio did indeed back civil unions in Buenos Aires back in 2002."

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  1. Like Rachel, Sister Simone is a prophet. WHAT a gal.

    Posted by: DannyEastVillage | Mar 15, 2013 6:21:34 PM

  2. Just to add to the Karen Armstrong thing, in the TED seminar she states the obvious that "Religious leaders prefer to be right, rather than compassionate".

    Posted by: woodroad34d | Mar 15, 2013 7:31:57 PM

  3. What else would he do? Accepting "gay" is one thing "gay marriage" is a bit much. He's a Catholic. You like the sound of your own voice
    Rachel. Do the Boyscout thing and "take a hike"

    Posted by: Sandy | Mar 15, 2013 10:59:24 PM

  4. @sandy You must not follow things very closely. 53% of American Catholics support gay marriage. Catholic doesn't mean anti-gay marriage. Freedom of conscience is important to most Catholics.

    Posted by: candide001 | Mar 15, 2013 11:30:34 PM

  5. Are we back to being single-issue political animals again? I mean, good on Cristina Kirchner for the gay rights thing, but thereare SO MANY OTHER REASONS to have problems with her and her policies.

    Posted by: Jerry | Mar 16, 2013 1:50:56 AM

  6. @ Sandy
    F-CK OFF you religious nut case. You catholics are responsible for more travesty in society than any other entity. Go take a hike off a cliff(with your cross)

    Posted by: Steve-ATL | Mar 16, 2013 5:59:16 AM

  7. @ Sandy

    That man written fairy tale you believe in says nothing about gay marriage. Stop using your buy-bull as a facade to advocate your own prejudice.

    Posted by: IonMusic | Mar 16, 2013 5:59:59 AM

  8. Sandy,
    Why do trolls like yourself waste your short time on this planet on our blog? Don't your type have something more productive to know, like being a good Catholic and cheating on your spouse 6 days a week, then going to church one day and being all forgotten and forgiven? Ya know...the standard practice for your kind.

    Posted by: USC Trojans Fan | Mar 16, 2013 6:01:22 AM

  9. @ Sandy

    How about the Pope NOT commenting on marriage equality?

    How about the pope not endorsing hate groups that campaign against gay rights?

    How about the pope keeping his cloth out of law and politics?

    How about the Pope not interjecting his beliefs into other people's justice and law of the land?

    I know it's a hard notion to grasp. Go take a quick hike and think about it.

    Posted by: Verno-C | Mar 16, 2013 6:02:58 AM

  10. Sandy: go take a hike off this site.

    Rachel: You're a Goddess. Keep speaking the truth and holding the believers of this child sex trafficing institution accountable.

    Posted by: Klien | Mar 16, 2013 6:03:48 AM

  11. @ Sandy

    If he were actually to follow the Catholic teaching, he'd separate out civil marriage from religious matrimony - just as Catholics do with their own divorced members who remarry without an annulment, and how they treat the marriages of every other non-Catholic.

    Nobody is saying that civil marriage equality requires, or should require, any Catholic to "approve" or any Catholic clergy to participate in any wedding they don't acknowledge.

    The Pope, like any other Catholic, is perfectly free to declare that a same-sex civil marriage has no sacramental validity - and that's where their authority ends.

    The idea that "he's a Catholic, expecting him to respect civil authority and the rights of people who aren't Catholic is a bit much" is patently offensive - and clearly bigoted. Of you.

    Posted by: Lymis | Mar 16, 2013 9:24:24 AM

  12. You'll all make loving parents I'm sure. P.S. I'm not Catholic

    Posted by: Sandy | Mar 16, 2013 3:01:48 PM

  13. Sandy- doesn't matter if you're a catholic or vile christian, you're till part of the hate machine known as MAN MADE organized religion and for that, your ilk deserves to be called out for your bigotry and plain 'dumbassness' ....get lost monster.

    Posted by: Michael C | Mar 16, 2013 3:13:40 PM

  14. Catholic orthodoxy would put into doubt most Catholic marriages, let alone gay ones.

    The list of requirements for a Catholic marriage is fairly long, but the key ones to put in perspective are:

    They must be virgins.
    No cohabitation before marriage.
    Both must be Catholic.
    Both must go to confession before getting married.
    Both must receive communion, and have received communion consistency since either confirmation or their last confession prior to getting married.
    Both must receive Catholic marriage counseling (no effective birth control for you) from a priest prior to getting married.
    Both must make donations to the church (her father's donations will suffice).
    Both must pledge to raise their kids as true Catholics.

    Posted by: anon | Mar 16, 2013 3:14:04 PM

  15. "Sandy" is a troll who's been going from thread to thread policing the behavior of commentators by responding with how their parenting skills will be. Typical homophobe who is brain dead, clueless, and miserable, and determines character by child raising. As if all of us want to be around smelly, stinky, nasty kids to begin with. What a dumb witch.

    Posted by: Cole | Mar 16, 2013 3:15:21 PM

  16. Sandy, we don't need to accept, expect, or appreciate bigotry from anyone. Hiding behind religion to practice your anti gay bigotry doesn't fly anymore. It's a facade and excuse and will be justly called out.

    Posted by: Melon | Mar 16, 2013 3:16:21 PM

  17. I'm not a member of the gay thought police. You're all losing at hate charades. A lifetime of oppression has created your wonderful personalities. Any group that puts so much emphasis on the ass must ultimately stink.

    Posted by: Sandy | Mar 16, 2013 3:54:56 PM

  18. I'm not a member of the gay thought police. You're all losing at hate charades. A lifetime of oppression has created your wonderful personalities. Any group that puts so much emphasis on the ass must ultimately stink.

    Posted by: Sandy | Mar 16, 2013 3:55:24 PM

  19. Thanks Cole. May need your archieve sometime.

    Posted by: Sandy | Mar 16, 2013 5:19:02 PM

  20. This pope is full of excuses. He was pressured by conservatives to declare a war of God on marriage equality. He was pressured by the violent military junta to support the junta publicly and to withhold protection from his own clerics.

    Posted by: Guy | Mar 17, 2013 1:04:59 AM

  21. Sandy, aww another typical hetero who is bitter their marriage failed in divorce? you heteros are only good for a few things, BREEDING, divorcing, and getting terminal illnesses. Hope you have two of the three, hatersexual. Now go make yourself a useful hetero and go cheat on your spouse, then file for divorce. That's what you heteros do best.

    Posted by: Fiat | Mar 17, 2013 1:25:45 AM

  22. The views of Pope Francis will have as litle effect on the lives of the people of the world as the views of Cardinal Bergoglio had on the lives of the people of Argentina. Recent surveys show that fewer than 10% of the Catholic people of Argentina attend mass regularly.

    Posted by: andrew | Mar 17, 2013 4:44:10 AM

  23. Maddow is a rich, gringo, ignorant, arrogant Jew. Her honourable academic education has been submerged in aggressive egoism. Wisdom & respect are alien to her and her sycophants. Remember what Time wrote of her: "nice is the new nasty". She and the Towleroad commentators provide daily fare for homophobes. I'm gay, of no religion and fortunately not American.

    Posted by: Squeak | Mar 18, 2013 7:03:39 AM

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