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  1. says

    these stories happen everywhere. there was one just a few short years ago in a toronto suburb. the outcome? the bigoted pig was convicted and got jail time.

    here’s hoping this is what happens here; this is disgusting.

  2. Derrick from Philly says

    “…the police are not convinced it meets the definition of a hate crime, since it wasn’t the original trigger for the fight.”

    Fight? It was an attack. An attack triggered by anti-Gay hatred. That kind of extreme violence directed at a stranger requires extreme hate. So, what’s the cause of that hatred? Because she was Gay.

  3. says

    exactly, Derrick. would this mean a racially or religiously-motivated attack “wouldn’t count” if the person only became aware of the ethnicity/religion/culture upon, uh, ‘getting a closer look’?

    blechhh

  4. Yaoi says

    This is the reason I want to move out of the south. I have to hide my sexuality or put myself in danger of being beaten or murdered by bigots in this red state.

  5. Derrick from Philly says

    And this happened in front of their little boy and other children. Kicking and stomping her in the face while she was on the ground.

    That’s what so striking in these kind of attaks: the desire to do damage to the face. Overkill–the kind of violence you see in these so-called Gay-panic incidents.

    This incident brings back some really bad memories–for too many of us.

  6. Rick says

    “Wow. Another plus for texas…sounds like an awesome place to live. NOT.”

    “Texas is such a backwards sh1thole”

    Yeah, because we all know that black males everywhere else in America would never do something like this, especially if the gay person in question is white–not in California or New York or Massachusetts–no, only in Texas.

    Violent crime committed by black males is strictly a Texas thing, not a national thing.

    ——————————————–

    They are searching for the attacker: “Officers insist they are looking for a black man, about 5’7″, who weighs 185 pounds. He was wearing a royal blue T-shirt and jeans, and was driving an early 2000’s silver Chevrolet Impala with temporary tags. Police say he was with a black woman, about 5’5”, 140 pounds, wearing a white T-shirt and jeans.”

  7. says

    Why did it take two whole paragraphs for the news to acknowledge that she had any kind of relationship to the bullied four-year-old? This was her girlfriend’s son, not some random kid. They shouldn’t be using language that obscures that.

  8. Rick says

    “This is the reason I want to move out of the south. I have to hide my sexuality or put myself in danger of being beaten or murdered by bigots in this red state.”

    Houston has an openly gay mayor, something that New York, Boston, Philadelphia, Washington, Chicago, Los Angeles, Seattle, and yes, San Francisco……never have had.

    And an openly gay candidate for mayor in Dallas got 40% more of the vote than any openly gay candidate in any of those aforementioned cities ever has.

    Just saying…..

  9. ratbastard says

    I kinda agree with Charles. The story was somewhat strangely written up, although I don’t know if the fact he was her GFs son has any particular bearing.

    Of course it was a legitimate ‘hate’ crime in addition to a brutal assault. But I’ll say it again: All assaults by their definition are ‘hate’ crimes.

  10. Francis says

    Anti-gay hate crimes are over double more likely than any other group in America and are also just as more likely to be violent in nature. That’s the reality of it. Regardless of where it is, regardless of the race of the attacker, the fact of the matter is that anti-LGBTQ hate is way more likely than any other form of hate crime, in North America. And hate crimes against us are only rising while declining against other groups.

    The fact they aren’t going to prosecute this as a hate crime is another thing we see FAR too often regarding anti-gay hate. Either states don’t have hate crime mandates or states refuse to use them. Hopefully the couple takes this to the feds and uses the federal hate crime mandate because it’s there for reasons like this, when local police intentionally avoid hate crime designation on hate incidents.

    My heart breaks for Sondra Scarber, her partner Hillary, and son Jaxon. How animalistic must you be to do something like this with a child watching? So horrible. Hopefully he and Sondra and Hillary aren’t too scarred from this incident in the future and hopefully the attacker in question is caught ASAP.

  11. David Hearne says

    Derrick –

    I agree with you. It infuriates me when people, especially school officials and news reporters, refer to an attack as a “fight”. What do they think they are doing? Being “fair”?

    I watched a video where a basketball player openly and deliberately hauled off and punched an unsuspecting member of the opposite team such that the boy was knocked out. The school said it was “investigating the fight”. Would it be unreasonable to think that that was because the attacker was black and the victim was white?

  12. David Hearne says

    Francis – You can’t say “regardless of the race of the attacker” Anti-gay attacks are not proportionate to the demographics of the population. That is an issue. As our friends at the NAACP are known to say, “Where there is race, race is an issue.”

    As much as the academics are trying to push an idealized world of bullwookie on this subject, race and culture walk hand in hand. The reason white people are white and black people are black is because we reproduce within our own tribe for the most part. Tribes have cultures, ergo race is an outward expression of culture. Yes, a person can be raised in a culture other than his race, and even identify with that culture, but it’s impractical and anti-intellectual to think that the perp in an anti-gay attack being much more likely to be black or latino is something as stupid or simple as skin tone. It’s a culture which promotes violence and hatred, and it’s swpt under the rug because some people can’t accept that WASP are much less likely to commit hate crimes overall.

  13. David Hearne says

    SAD –

    Matthew Shepard wasn’t killed in Texas.
    Trev Broudy was attacked in West Hollywood.
    Gwen Araujo was killed in the SF Bay Area.
    Tyra Hunter was attacked in DC and allowed to die in DC.
    Tony Randolph Hunter was killed outside a DC gay bar.

  14. Derrick from Philly says

    “Would it be unreasonable to think that that was because the attacker was black and the victim was white? ”

    David,

    are you actually saying that in the United States when there is interracial violence the authorities usually side with Blacks? That’s absurd.

    But if such a turnaround concerning who has power in America ever did come about after these last 400 years–some might call it “historical poetic justice”. Would it be a case of “payback is a biotch”?

    “…we all know that black males everywhere else in America would never do something like this, especially if the gay person in question is white”

    Rick, I don’t know any White Gay person that I’d like to see get beaten to a pulp by a Black male…EXCEPT one.

    Now, let’s take this discussion back to the problem of anti-Gay violence and the extreme hate that usually characterizes it.

  15. David Hearne says

    Derrick –

    My position is that a crime is a crime. I don’t support the notion of hate crimes, but I don’t ignore the demographics of crime either.

    “are you actually saying that in the United States when there is interracial violence the authorities usually side with Blacks? That’s absurd.”

    Trev Broudy was attacked by three black males who have to drive a long way to attack him “at random”. The DA declined to call it a hate crime, because he said that the motive was robbery rather than hate. I’m sure that made a great deal of difference to Broudy as he lay in a coma, but it was also absurd and simplistic.

    On the rare occasion when white people attack black people the first claim is that it’s a hate crime. When blacks attack whites, it’s a robbery. Really? And how did they choose their victim?

    And then you turn around and going on some BS about it being poetic justice for slavery. Oh really Derrick, just go Fluck yourself. Seriously. You don’t have to act like what they call you.

  16. David Hearne says

    qj201 –

    No, she should have pulled out a Ruger 380 and killed the worthless POS. These people are cowards across the board. Oh, they would have you believe they are fearless, unafraid of cops and prison. But in general they go for those they presume unable to defend themselves. She should have shot the SOB. Dead and dared the next one to try something.

    And you know what would have happened then? Headline: White woman shoots unarmed black man is Texas.

  17. Francis says

    Yes, there are cultures that are more prone to anti-gay attitudes and thus committing anti-gay violence. Culture doesn’t=race. And not everyone from these more homophobic cultures are anti-gay. So there is little point in trying to make this racial. It isn’t. We know plenty, upon PLENTY of white people are homophobic. The individuals who killed Matthew Shepard and drove Tyler Clementi to suicide certainly weren’t black nor Latino.

    The issue is homophobia and the fact we live in a largely homophobic society.

  18. David Hearne says

    Francis – I credit you as far as you went. What I find troubling is the denial of the relationship between culture and violence. That denial, the denial that the black community tolerates and therefore promotes its negative aspects, is what keeps black neighborhoods undesirable, even the nicer ones relative to white counterparts. Just as the black ghetto tolerates too much noise, too much hanging out, too much suspicious activity, too much foul mouthing around children, too much rudeness, too much litter, too many criminals, it also tolerates homophobia from the front steps of public housing to the front steps of the high school, to the front steps of tidy owner occupied homes, to the altar of the Blessed Lamb Of God AME Church.

  19. Rick says

    “Culture doesn’t=race”

    @Francis You always say that as though you were making some kind of profound observation. You are not. Black skin connotes African ancestry which connotes a cultural mindset. It is not the same mindset as that of people who are not of African ancestry, although there may be commonalities.

    And whether any of you like having to admit it or not, the vast majority of anti-gay violence, wherever in the country you are, is perpetrated by the 6% of the population who are black males….and that is not a mere coincidence….any more than it is a coincidence that the same group commits the overwhelming majority of all violent crimes.

    That group’s brand of homophobia tends to be far more vicious than that of other groups and that is why they are responsible for most of the violent crimes committed against gays, that and just their general tendency towards violence (when a group is 10 times more likely to commit violence than any other group in the population, you cannot simply sweep that reality under the rug, no matter how strong your desire to conform to the demands of political correctness may be),

    Continuing to ignore the fact that black men are the main source of the problem when it comes to anti-gay violence will necessarily mean that the problem will not be solved. You cannot solve a problem, after all, if you are unwilling to acknowledge that one exists.

    Suit yourselves.

  20. David Hearne says

    I agree, Rick. My family wished I wasn’t born, as well. That’s why I’m armed. You never know when a Sunday trip to beg for tolerance will turn into me having to defend myself from my heavily-armed Republican family. I notice you hate blacks as much as I do. Are you like ratbastard, who (like myself) lost his father due to Death By Big Black Penises? It’s a tragic epidemic that the liberal leftist media refuses to report on.

  21. Rick says

    No, I hate blacks and women because I’m still hoping that when I die and go to Hell they’ll let me be bunkmates with Jesse Helms. It’s a plan, you see.

  22. Rick says

    Sources and proof are for effeminate liberals. Masculine gay men like me who are not effeminate don’t need to give proof, because what we say just needs to be accepted as truth.

    I learned that from my father, who beat my mother and my siblings. He didn’t need a reason. Reasons are for fems.

  23. Rick says

    “@Rick Would you like to cite some sources?”

    @Charles Sure, here is a great article that not only demonstrates that the overwhelming majority of violent crime in New York is committed by black men, but also serves as an expose of the attempts by media outlets like the NY Times to cover up the truth.

    http://www.city-journal.org/2010/eon0514hm.html

    Key quote:

    “Here are the crime data that the Times doesn’t want its readers to know: blacks committed 66 percent of all violent crimes in the first half of 2009 (though they were only 55 percent of all stops and only 23 percent of the city’s population). Blacks committed 80 percent of all shootings in the first half of 2009. Together, blacks and Hispanics committed 98 percent of all shootings. Blacks committed nearly 70 percent of all robberies. Whites, by contrast, committed 5 percent of all violent crimes in the first half of 2009, though they are 35 percent of the city’s population (and were 10 percent of all stops). They committed 1.8 percent of all shootings and less than 5 percent of all robberies. The face of violent crime in New York, in other words, like in every other large American city, is almost exclusively black and brown. Any given violent crime is 13 times more likely to be committed by a black than by a white perpetrator—”

  24. Rick says

    But the biggest crime perpetrated by blacks remains their careless disregard for the damage their giant genitalia can wreak on the tender white buttocks’ of good men like ratbastard and David Hearne’s fathers.

  25. Francis says

    No, actually, Rick, I continue to say that because I’m not racist and it’s false that the vast majority of hate crimes are committed by black men. Too high a number/percentage? Sure. It is too high a number/percentage. Homophobia in urban communities is an issue. That can’t be ignored. But to act as if it’s the only issue is ridiculous. Or as if it’s the only culture with an issue of homophobia. Homophobia is a global problem. Almost every single culture has homophobia issues. Time to wake up and smell the coffee.

    Rick’s alter ego is hilarious!

  26. Rick says

    Thankfully, the face of anti-gay hate amongst the gay male community is mine: faceless. I guess you can all thank those criminal blacks for something: my fear of them will forever keep me closeted in my tiny apartment.

  27. David Hearne says

    You pathetic liberals who are commenting under my name have NO shame! How DARE you? My father was a great man and his death from choking on a large african-american (to use your pathetic PC liberal language) penis is nothing to mock!

  28. Rick says

    @Francis You are running from the truth because it is politically inconvenient for you.

    I just cited statistics from New York; that’s right, good old “enlightened”, “progressive” New York City.

    As you can see from the city’s own data, violent crime of every sort is committed overwhelmingly by black men. Almost no violent crime is committed by whites or Asians. Those are the FACTS.

    And if you believe that the same ratios do not apply to violence against gays, then you are just deluding yourself….and you know it. I don’t know whether such statistics exist, but just observing the cases appearing on this website provides plenty of anecdotal evidence in support of it.

    As I said, suit yourself–it is the effeminate gay men that you are always defending that end up being the principal victims of such violence so if you want to try and cover up the truth about the identity and motives of those committing that violence and thereby make it far less likely that they will every be held accountable, go right ahead. You are only victimizing yourself by doing so.

  29. David Hearne says

    Charles – Here’s one to show you that it’s simply in the US. ‘

    “Twelve per cent of London’s men are black. But 54 per cent of the street crimes committed by men in London, along with 46 per cent of the knife crimes and more than half of the gun crimes, are thought by the Metropolitan Police to have been committed by black men.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856404/Police-statistics-shed-fresh-light-on-link-between-crime-and-race.html

  30. David Hearne says

    The last time I checked the Florida Department of Corrections database, black males were 55% of murderers while being 16% of the FLorida population.

  31. says

    @rick Thanks for link. I guess your fem just like me.
    Two points:
    1, Those are not hate crime stats and thus fail to speak to your thesis about interracial crime. But that’s already been said.
    2, Neither you nor the article you quote made an effort to correlate racial disparities in crime with the vast racial disparities income and housing and educational opportunity. New York is one of the most segregated cities in the country and white families’ per capita income is over twice that of black families. That concentrated poverty leads to crime is not an indicator of black criminality.

    If you want to know more about the affects of concentrated poverty on African-American communities in large post industrial cities, i suggest you read ‘When Work Disappears : The World of the New Urban Poor’ by William Julius Wilson.
    My come com statistic comes from NYU’s breakdown of the 2005 American community Survey, page 18 http://www.nyc.gov/html/dcp/pdf/census/acs_socio_05_nyc.pdf

  32. David Hearne says

    Rick –
    ” Culture doesn’t=race.”

    I don’t think anyone said that the two were synonymous.

    ” And not everyone from these more homophobic cultures are anti-gay.”

    Ah yes, this diversion. You know, it’s rather insulting unless you are stupid enough to have said it sincerely. As I have often pointed out: The crime stats do not prove that a given black person is more likely to be criminal, it proves that the person committing a crime against you is more likely to be black. Like Chris Rock said, “When you go to the ATM and look over your shoulder, you’re not looking for Dan Rather. You’re looking for nwords.”

    “So there is little point in trying to make this racial. It isn’t. ”

    No, that’s you trying to enforce denial and avoid discomfort. The disproportion in crimes against gay people isn’t because a given felon is four shades darker than I am. It’s because he comes from a culture which condones his behavior.

    “We know plenty, upon PLENTY of white people are homophobic. ”

    And yet, a gay person or a black person is much safer walking down the street of a white slum than a white person or gay person is walking down the street of a black slum.

    “The individuals who killed Matthew Shepard”

    Were a minute portion of the perps of hate crimes. Jesus will you get a grip on reality and proportion? Can you simply not accept that the reality is in conflict with your philosophy?

    “and drove Tyler Clementi to suicide certainly weren’t black nor Latino.”

    One was caucasian and one was mongoloid. Your point?

    “The issue is homophobia and the fact we live in a largely homophobic society.”

    And an element of that issue is that blacks and latinos commit grossly disproportionate number of the hate crimes against gay people.

  33. Rick says

    “Neither you nor the article you quote made an effort to correlate racial disparities in crime with the vast racial disparities income and housing and educational opportunity.”

    Aww, poor me, I dropped out of school (due to my own lack of initiative), therefore could not get a job…..and therefore, I am going to go out and beat up and kill queers and should not be held accountable for doing so.

    Does that about sum up your philosophy, Charles?

    Yes, it does.

    By the way, the rate of violent crime among poor whites and Asians does not even remotely approach the rate of violent crime among poor blacks, so the propensity for violence and criminal activity is clearly NOT about poverty, per se, but about the cultural mindset that exists among black males, plainly and simply.

    Facts getting in the way of political correctness, again….I know……

  34. says

    @DAVID HEARNE

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/7856404/Police-statistics-shed-fresh-light-on-link-between-crime-and-race.html

    “Crime statistics have to be approached with extreme caution, because it is very easy to leap to conclusions which are not justified by the figures.

    These ones do not show that 54 per cent of London’s street crimes are committed by black men.
    They do not even show that 54 per of those convicted in court of street crime are black men. But they do indicate that in 54 per cent of street crimes where police catch their suspect, that suspect is black.”

    I couldn’t have said it better myself
    Thank you and good night! *bows*

  35. David Hearne says

    Oh for god’s sake Charles- Give it up. Neither Rick nor I said that the overall crime stats were the hate crimes stats. That doesn’t mean that the two aren’t related.

    And then you go on that stupid crap about poverty and crime. Really? Is that all your pathetic self has to offer? Let me guess, you went to UDC. Does poverty generate the rape stats? How exactly does living in public housing or being on food stamps explain or justify the outrageous disparity in interracial rapes? Let me guess your next move: the stats are corrupt because the police and the courts are corrupt and those racist women just blamed the black guys, right?

    Well let’s use murder then. Explain why being on food stamps or living in public housing is an excuse for killing people at an outrageous rate, and killing across race lines at a rate that if the races were reversed you would consider it an attempt at genocide.

    Start explaining. We’re breathless in anticipation.

  36. David Hearne says

    Charles – You are amazingly dishonest. The reporter was clearly anticipating the response of dishonest people such as yourself. He stated the facts, which are that 12% of the male population is black and accounts for more than half of various violent crimes, and then he anticipated your SPECULATION that the numbers were inflated due to selective enfoforcement and racism and then, you left out this part, he stated that even IF the numbers were 50% high, that black males still accounted for more than twice as many violent crimes.

    So either you are an idiot, or you think everyone else is. Which is it?

  37. Southern Guy says

    A hate crime is a hate crime, no matter what state it was committed in. There are just as many bigots and homophobes in the rest of the country as most would claim are in the South. We don’t have the market cornered on hate and violence, no matter how much some would like to believe

  38. Icebloo says

    It’s Texas so as usual the local cops will make sure it’s not labeled as a hate crime because if you label it as a hate crime the Feds come in and make sure the case is investigated properly. If it is not labeled a hate crime the crappy, corrupt, homophobic local cops can sweep it all under the carpet. It happens every day in Texas.

  39. ratbastard says

    Speaking of violence:

    @Little Kiwi,

    If you were in my physical proximity, boss, you’d need to new set of dentures to replace the teeth I punched out of your rancid mouth.

  40. BrianQTD says

    Gay men are disproportionately victims of HIV/AIDS, compared to their representation in the population. That’s a fact. It’s the interpretation of that fact that can go in a homophobic direction (gays are promiscuous, they are a public health threat, etc.)

    Similarly, blacks may commit certain kinds of crimes disproportionately, but that’s not the whole story.

    “Cultures” do not develop in vacuums. They are not hermetically sealed things. Your comment about “African” culture is the most preposterous, clearly racist thing you said. It’s clear that you think there is some African “essence” (genetic?) that black people carry with them. There is no one “African” culture, you idiot. Actually, there is no one “African-American” culture. Hip-hop, you may say? Who runs hip-hop? The record INDUSTRY. Who runs the record industry? Who buys the records?

    African-Americans live in the US, a country that until very recently prevented blacks from participating in the political and economic system. Now that blacks have equal rights, manufacturing has fled the country and there is an economic downturn. Access to manufacturing jobs was essential in the creation of wealth for whites. Blacks were excluded because of segregation. Blacks were excluded from housing (that is the accumulation of wealth) because of segregation.

    Blacks were brought over on slave ships. Every government deal that the power structure made with other ethnic groups especially ethnic whites was denied to blacks. Know your history.

    If there is some black “culture,” it was formed in those conditions. It’s like keeping Jews confined to certain professions like money-lending (as Europeans did) and then calling them greedy and money-obsessed.

    In addition, the kinds of crimes the NYPD looks for are actually not the most damaging kinds of crimes. What about white collar crime? Drug trafficking (not drug DEALING, drug TRAFFICKING)? Gun running? Mass shootings? Where are your racial statistics on those?

  41. acevedo says

    I don’t get it – if the attacker was a parent of one of the kids, can’t other kids on the playground identify him as so and so’s father? how can he not be identified???

  42. Bill Michael says

    Good thing she didn’t have a concealed carry permit or she might have been able to defend herself; but, then of course, CNN, Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson would have been all over her. Yeah, she’s so much better off that she let the man break her jaw.

  43. David Hearne says

    BRIANQTD

    “Gay men are disproportionately victims of HIV/AIDS, compared to their representation in the population. That’s a fact. It’s the interpretation of that fact that can go in a homophobic direction (gays are promiscuous, they are a public health threat, etc.)”

    And gay men with brains realized that our community was engaging in and promoting behaviors which made for disparate impact of HIV coming to the First World. Most of us changed our behavior and voiced disapproval of those who didn’t. We didn’t try to blame it on slavery, Jim Crow, and the general unfairness of the world.

    Similarly, blacks may commit certain kinds of crimes disproportionately, but that’s not the whole story.

    ” Now that blacks have equal rights, manufacturing has fled the country and there is an economic downturn. ”

    These two events did not coincide and aren’t related.

    ” Access to manufacturing jobs was essential in the creation of wealth for whites. ”

    I don’t know a lot of wealthy auto workers.

    “Blacks were excluded because of segregation. Blacks were excluded from housing (that is the accumulation of wealth) because of segregation.”

    Blacks have owned real estate in this country since colonial times. Not all blacks of course, but then not all white owned real estate. Moreover, real estate is not the only or essential marker of wealth. In big cities there are successful people who have never owned a home. BUying your little piece of suburbia is a relatively new thing. IN my rural southern town, blacks have owned real estate since shortly after the Civil War.

    “Blacks were brought over on slave ships. ”

    Oh for God’s sake.

    “Every government deal that the power structure made with other ethnic groups especially ethnic whites was denied to blacks.”

    Bull. The Homestead Act was nondiscriminatory. There were black homesteaders in Kansas and Nebraska as well as elsewhere. In addition blacks have been going to college for free or close to free for a very long time, often with affirmative action preference and through the ridiculous non-academic scholarship programs. Blacks are 12.6% of the population and 35% of the federal workforce.

    “In addition, the kinds of crimes the NYPD looks for are actually not the most damaging kinds of crimes. What about white collar crime? Drug trafficking (not drug DEALING, drug TRAFFICKING)? Gun running? Mass shootings? Where are your racial statistics on those?”

    We’re talking about violent crime and anti-gay crimes. Try to stay in the present please.

  44. BrianQTD says

    “We’re talking about violent crime and anti-gay crimes. Try to stay in the present please.”

    Actually the thread was about anti-gay crimes and you decided to talk about other crimes. You opened the door, then complain when someone takes it in a direction you don’t like. The crimes I mentioned are “violent” in the destruction they wreak on people’s lives. You’ve just been conditioned to think that crimes you think blacks and Latinos commit are worse–because you’re a racist.

    Are you denying that blacks were denied jobs in manufacturing historically because of segregation? Are you denying segregation existed? If it did, what impact do you think it had on blacks?

    Some blacks have always been able to rise above and do incredible things. But they had to deal with a profoundly unjust system nevertheless.

    I simply don’t believe you about the free college. I’ll need more than the word of a racist.

  45. David Hearne says

    Brian –

    ” Actually the thread was about anti-gay crimes and you decided to talk about other crimes. ”

    No, the article was about a black man attacking a white lesbian. There is more than one dynamic in play, and you know it.

    “You opened the door, then complain when someone takes it in a direction you don’t like.”

    YOu are certainly free to talk about anything you like. That doesn’t make it relevant. I’ve been in these discussions long enough to recognize your pathetic pattern: “What about Bernie Madoff? What about Timothy McVeigh?” Well, to paraphrase Chris Rock: When I walk out of a nightclub, I’m not looking over my shoulder for scamming bankers … I’m looking for black assailants.”

    “The crimes I mentioned are “violent” in the destruction they wreak on people’s lives.”

    Ah yes, the “words have no meaning.” argument. Predictable and typical. Actually they do, and violent crime has a definition. So stop acting stupid. This isn’t a class as Howard, and that BS doesn’t fly here.

    “You’ve just been conditioned to think that crimes you think blacks and Latinos commit are worse–because you’re a racist.”

    Oh gosh, you invoked the r-word!!! Doesn’t work anymore, you wore it out. Besides. I deal in facts and that’s what you really hate. I noticed that you don’t offer any facts, just unsupportable opinions and canned defenses.

    “Are you denying that blacks were denied jobs in manufacturing historically because of segregation?”

    I’m denying that poverty is relevant to violent crime.
    How about you explain why poverty explains rape and murder of white people by black people at exponential rates. Explain why poverty explains anti-gay hate crimes coming from latinos and blacks at higher rates than whites. Got facts?

    “Are you denying segregation existed? If it did, what impact do you think it had on blacks?”

    Frankly, my dear, I don’t give a damn. Have you got facts or do you simply have a bunch of BS you have practiced in pathetic defense? Got facts?

    “Some blacks have always been able to rise above and do incredible things.”

    Name four essential technologies that you would consider “incredible things”.

  46. BrianQTD says

    “we can’t have the MUCH NEEDED discussion about the black communities homophobia. ”

    Your perception that no one is talking about this issue is false. Why is so-called “black homophobia” any worse than “white homophobia”? Because it’s more violent? The souls of Matthew Shephard and Brendan Teena (to name just two famous examples) would disagree.

    Who has the money to finance and support institutional homophobia in the US? What race are the people who lead the prominent anti-gay organizations? Who publishes the propaganda that homophobic people of color use to justify their bigotry? Who gave Bishop Harry Jackson a national platform to spew his bigotry?

    You racists are interesting. You can’t see homophobia as an organic system with so-called “black homophobia” feeding off of the financially connected “white homophobia” and also racism because you’re obsessed with demeaning black people.

  47. BrianQTD says

    Ah, so you don’t give a damn about the legacy of racism in the country. Thanks! All I wanted to know.

    Yes, there is more than one dynamic: homophobia, violence, racism and poverty. All connected. But you only want to talk about the “Color of Crime” aspect.

    Words do indeed have meaning. Those harmed by the crimes I listed know full well the violence they cause. You’re not talking in facts–you’re narrowly limiting the acceptable topics to things that benefit you.

    Oh, and yes there is a link between poverty and (certain kinds of) crime. I’m not sure about the rape statistic, but I’m suspicious since “black men raping virtuous white women” has been a meme for hundreds of years. Most people are much more likely to be raped by someone they know than a stranger. Probably the vast majority of people raping white women are white men.

  48. Derrick from Philly says

    Thank you, BRIANQTD, for your thoughtful and truthful comments.

    I’ve decided to answer David Hern & Rick with total sarcasm and cynicism. They don’t deserve to be taken seriously anymore.

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