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Anti-Gay Bigot Scott Lively To Stand Trial For Crimes Against Humanity

Scott Lively
We and other gay blogs have reported on evangelical pastor of Abiding Truth Ministries Scott Lively many times, from him claiming that the rainbow flag was a sign of the end times to hiring child molesters to run his coffee shop. What The Pink Swastika author is most notorious for though is inciting anti-gay hatred in Uganda and aiding in the passing of their "Kill the Gays" bill, a law that is so broadly worded that just touching someone can be enough to be in violation of the law, and heterosexual citizens could receive the death penalty for failing to turn in gay people they know.

US District Judge Michael Ponsor has ruled Lively's persecution of LGBT people a crime against humanity and is accused of helping to play a part in the persecution, arrest and murder of gay people in Uganda. Lively's lawyers, naturally, requested that the lawsuit be dismissed.

As an added bonus, US law allows foreign citizens to sue for violations of international law in US federal courts under the Alien Tort Statute, so Ugandan victims of Lively's crimes have an avenue to seek justice.

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  1. This is very exciting.

    Posted by: brian | Aug 16, 2013 3:16:38 PM


  2. He needs to be charged and tried.

    Unfortunately, some of his victims are already dead.

    Posted by: Pookie | Aug 16, 2013 3:24:35 PM


  3. Please fix your second paragraph. It reads that the judge, not Lively, is accused.

    Posted by: Akrontru | Aug 16, 2013 3:32:12 PM


  4. And, will evangelical churches now take up special collections to support Lively's defense?

    Posted by: Soren456 | Aug 16, 2013 3:50:49 PM


  5. why bother with a trial? Just execute him like he has enabled the Ugandan government to do with their GLBT population. I call it the "Kill the Bigots" law. (and this is coming from a pacifist).

    Posted by: graphicjack | Aug 16, 2013 4:02:29 PM


  6. A lot of errors in this post. It is almost as bad as the standard error-ridden posts by Dan Villarreal.

    This is a civil suit, not a criminal prosecution. Further, the suit against Lively only survived an initial motion to dismiss. That does not mean that there will be a trial. Lively will have another chance to dismiss the case after the parties exchange discovery. Finally, the judge has not made any ruling about what Lively did. In deciding the motion to dismiss, the judge assumes that all factual allegations in the complaint are true and then decides whether the case can proceed. Whether the claims are actually true is proven later.

    I like Christian and I hope that in the future he aims higher than a lazy Dan Villarreal-type post.

    Posted by: Tom | Aug 16, 2013 4:31:06 PM


  7. Unfortunately, all the blogs that have been writing about this case have mischaracterized what happened. Lively has not been charged with any crimes, and the U.S. government is not prosecuting him. This is not a criminal case.

    The opinion is from a civil lawsuit against Lively under the Alien Tort Statute. Though Towleroad called the ability to sue him a mere "added bonus," the civil lawsuit is the Alien Tort Statute is the main event.

    The title of this post is misleading because the phrase "to stand trial" generally means "to be criminally prosecuted." That's not the case here. Lively is just being sued.

    And to be clear, as reported in other blogs (such as the one linked to), the judge did not rule that persecution of LGBT people is a crime against humanity in and of itself. He ruled that the "widespread and systematic" persecution of LGBT people in Uganda is a crime against humanity. He noted that international law makes a distinction between discrimination, persecution, and crimes against humanity. Not all persecutions are crimes against humanity.

    The ruling does not sweep as broadly as many blogs are reporting, but it at least provided a good explanation of why persecution of LGBT people could be a violation of international law even though the international agreements do not mention sexual orientation or gender identity.

    Posted by: John | Aug 16, 2013 4:39:40 PM


  8. BTW, isn't a swastika really a religious symbol? It's really a cross con serif. One could then equate him with nazism and facism himself--I assume his drag name is Sarah Newman.

    Posted by: woodroad34d | Aug 16, 2013 4:43:19 PM


  9. Foreigners should not have the right to utilize our legal system. The proliferation of Liberal sentiment perpetuated in the media has fostered a legal climate that favors the rights of non-citizens. Lively is entitled to practice his religious freedom. His actions are conducted in a foreign country and he should only be subjected to the laws of place in which his activity occurs.

    Again, Liberals can't leave well enough alone. It's none of our business now Americans conduct themselves abroad, nor is it put place to encourage foreigners to use our own legal system against us. It's un-American.

    Posted by: Rick | Aug 16, 2013 5:00:10 PM


  10. Must be charged, tried, convicted and jailed. Dangerous, mentally-ill sicko!

    Posted by: Geoff | Aug 16, 2013 5:03:53 PM


  11. Haha "Kill the Bigots" law.

    Posted by: Munro | Aug 16, 2013 5:04:51 PM


  12. however this ends, the fact that it's passed to the discovery stage is a big win. more of the dirty secrets about the overseas activities of these evangelical anti-gay hate groups will be made available to a wider public.

    Posted by: candide001 | Aug 16, 2013 5:43:22 PM


  13. I don't like this guy at all but your title makes it sound as if he is being criminally prosecuted for crimes against humanity like the Nazi's were at the crimes trials after WW2. He is just being sued in a civil court. Thats a big difference from being on trial on a criminal case. Just stick with the real truth and not put a slant on it.

    Posted by: Rob | Aug 16, 2013 7:06:57 PM


  14. Rick,
    The Alien Tort Statute was passed in 1789 and was signed into law by President George Washington. I'm glad you agree that our Founding Fathers were liberals and supported liberal policies. Considering that George Washington was the Commander-in-Chief of the Continental Army during thr Revolutionary War, I trust that he knows far better than you what is and is not American. Now please go away.

    Posted by: John | Aug 16, 2013 7:14:14 PM


  15. This idiot has a long history going back to his participation in the rabid and maniacal Oregon Citizens Alliance that for years created havoc in Oregon politics. His entire adult life is a sad commentary of what it is to be human.

    Posted by: Casey | Aug 16, 2013 7:25:36 PM


  16. Also Rick,
    Just to address a couple more things.

    First, Lively is being sued for his actions in the U.S. that aided and abetted in the persecution of Ugandan gays.

    Second, even the right to free exercise is not absolute. If my religion requires me to kill people, I'm afraid I wouldn't be allowed to do that no matter how central to my religious beliefs.

    And lastly, if I were you, I would avoid making the argument that America shouldn't care what its citizens do abroad. That argument is a favorite of pedophiles who are sitting in jail cells after having been convicted in American courts for sexually abusing children abroad, even in countries where it is not illegal (or where the age of consent is lower).

    Posted by: John | Aug 16, 2013 7:27:50 PM


  17. Ignore "Rick"

    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Aug 16, 2013 7:55:44 PM


  18. Andy, if you're reading this, please note that the increasing number of posts from your substitutes are of inferior analytical and linguistic quality. They are not as neutral, or as clear, as what you typically write. Surely you can find guest bloggers who come close to your level of objectivity and clarity? The reason I have read this blog over many years is because you present the facts and let us reach our own conclusions. The people you have posting are clearly not experienced journalists-- their posts are muddled and highly subjective. Please return to the quality the blog previously demonstrated, otherwise this becomes like a hundred other blogs and loses its appeal.

    Posted by: Wil | Aug 16, 2013 8:53:08 PM


  19. If he's found guilty (I hope he is), what will his punishment be?

    Posted by: FlexSF | Aug 16, 2013 9:19:17 PM


  20. "Rick" has been pwned. As has been Lively.

    Posted by: David R. | Aug 16, 2013 9:30:25 PM


  21. Rick, you're an idiot, you know even less about our legal system than most of the other crapula you post here.

    Posted by: Pookie | Aug 17, 2013 3:09:33 AM


  22. This is excellent. Now let's take Bush and Cheney along with it for their invasion and murder of Iraqis and senseless deaths of US Armed Forces due to their lies.

    Posted by: Nelson | Aug 17, 2013 6:19:06 AM


  23. Facial Hair, Bear type, and lime green tie, come on Scott, what's your real issue?

    Posted by: Bill | Aug 17, 2013 10:49:26 AM


  24. Confusing, incomplete article. And "Rick" is a paranoid bigot with an unhealthy crush on Jesus.

    Posted by: Richard | Aug 17, 2013 11:32:41 AM


  25. I can see this man becoming a martyr to evangelicals worldwide. I hope he becomes a dead martyr. Life is too good for him.

    Posted by: jamal49 | Aug 17, 2013 11:44:09 AM


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