1. kirk says

    if the victim was trying to rape her & she defended herself & ended up killing him with the object he was trying to rape her with, why is she being charged with murder, isn’t it self-defense?

  2. Brian1 says

    On its own, I find it extremely unlikely that Kentucky’s attorney general will find its gay marriage ban unconstitutional. But to think he would do that in order to allow a lesbian to protect her murderous partner and potentially let the murderer go free is beyond crazy.

  3. MaryM says

    If her partner is forced to testify against her, then she should commit perjury.

    If the law treats them as 2nd class citizens for their sexual orientation then they are under no obligation to obey the law banning perjury.

  4. johnny says

    Brian1, you’ve already carefully studied all the court evidence and have rendered your judgment that it was murder and not self-defense? Hope I’ll never have you on my jury.

    If the spouse is compelled to testify, she can plead the 5th.

    It’s Kentucky, the attorney general is not going to fulfill some gay pipe dream there. It’s going to take a federal statute.

  5. Jesse says

    @Johnny — that’s not how the 5th works. You can only use it to prevent yourself from being implicated. You can’t use it to prevent implicating someone else. Spousal privilege is a separate thing — not something that has to do with the Constitution. But whether gay people can be banned from being considered spouses is. This is pretty exciting. Could be a way to get rid of all those marriage bans if this case works its way up high enough…

  6. Brian1 says


    No, I have no idea if she’s guilty, so I should have said alleged. But her guilt or innocence isn’t relevant to my post. My only point was that the attorney general isn’t going to overturn the gay marriage ban, and certainly won’t do it to save an accused lesbian murderer, alleged or not.

  7. stayhome&bakemeapie says

    But her guilt or innocence isn’t relevant to my post. – Brian1

    really!? so why even bother calling her a murderer in the first place but I do agree the attorney general isn’t going to overturn the gay marriage ban to save an accused lesbian murderer but from what it looks like she seems to be more of a rape victim that fought back, are women aloud to fight back in Kentucky?

  8. dystopia says

    @ Brian1

    if you were going to be raped with a hammer handle wouldn’t you fight back your attacker & if you’d end up killing them in the process would you call yourself a murderer or a survivor?

  9. Brian1 says


    Can you read??? I just said I have no idea if she’s a murderer or not, and it’s not remotely the point of this article. The post is entirely about the potential impact of this case on Kentucky’s gay marriage ban. All I’m saying is the post’s argument, that somehow this case will tempt the attorney general to overturn the gay marriage ban, makes no sense. If anything it will make him more determined to enforce it. Not because of the particulars of the case, but because it would be political suicide to support an overturn of the ban in any event, and certainly if he says it’s to help this lesbian accused of murder to get acquitted his career is toast.

  10. Cal says

    @HOUNDENTENOR – because it’s Kentucky and they know for a fact that ALL women want it if a man wants to give it to them.

    Especially lesbians that haven’t had any man-love in a while.

  11. JMC says

    Um wow I don’t know all the details of this case but I’m inclined to believe her self defense story. I don’t see why a well off married woman would murder a man to steal his sh*tty van.

  12. Caliban says

    I’ll have to look into this story further, this is the first time I’ve heard of it. On the surface I’d imagine the problem with the self-defense claim is that the rape wasn’t reported at the time so there is no evidence to support it other than the defendant’s word.

  13. Lee says

    Why not go to the police if she was raped? Why no physical evidence of rape? And why did she take the van? She’s clearly guilty and I hope she gets the chair.

  14. Chris says

    Bobbie Jo Clary: “He tried to rape me! That’s why I killed him!”

    George Zimmerman: “He was trying to kill me! That’s why I shot him!”

    Dead men tell no tales. The lesson here, kiddies, is that you’ve got to kill your victim.

  15. Bill Michael says

    CHRIS: So George Zimmerman was under some kind of “moral obligation” to let Trayvon Martin crack his skull open and scatter his brains over the pavement. I see. So we should all lie down like good little victims and let our attacker just beat us to death? GROW UP! GET YOU HEAD OUT OF YOUR @$$!

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