Shock PPP Poll: HS Students Should Get to Wear Confederate Flag to School But Not Gay Pride Flag

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In a recent PPP poll, a majority of those surveyed support allowing high school students to wear the confederate flag to school, while a larger majority oppose allowing students to wear gay pride flags to school.

Writes Jonathan Capehart: Confederate

Folks, the Confederate flag is no better than a Swastika. It is a symbol of white supremacy, hate and oppression that has no place in American political discourse. That Kanye West wants to co-opt the rebel banner is as noble as it is futile. Meanwhile, the rainbow that is the gay pride flag symbolizes inclusion and acceptance. Oftentimes, usually in other countries, the words “pace” or “peace” can be found emblazoned on it. The rainbow flag is the very antithesis of the Confederate flag. That the latter is deemed more acceptable than the former is deplorable.

PPP surveyed 649 American voters, including an oversample of 400 usual Democratic primary voters and 629 Republican primary voters, from October 29th to 31st, 2013. The margin of error for the overall survey is +/- 3.8%, +/-4.9% for the Democratic portion, and +/-3.9% for the GOP portion. PPP’s surveys are conducted through automated telephone interviews.

Comments

  1. Jason says

    you’re only “shocked” if you live in a bubble where you think everyone should think like you. just because Empire Agenda is influential in Chelsea doesn’t mean it is good at convincing or influencing those not predisposed to think like you. just sayin’

  2. Hey Darlin' says

    I’m not sure I understand the validity of a survey not completed by an uneven number of political party representatives. It seems a certain over-represented party might take advantage of that situation to push an agenda.

  3. brian1 says

    The summary of the survey methodology seems odd. It says they surveyed 649 voters, including an oversample of 400 democrats plus 629 Republicans. First, it would seem that 400 democrats plus 629 republicans is more than 649 total people polled. Second not sure what they mean by oversample of democrats. Since democrats greatly outnumber republicans, I don’t see how 400 democrats vs 629 republicans makes for an oversample.

  4. Fenrox says

    Hijack! If you hate these terrible comments that undermine all efforts on this site, it’s time to complain to Andy directly! If you want to help FIX THIS, please email/tweet/FB Andy and ask him to upgrade these comments. At the very least lets get a post that starts a discussion on it!

  5. Tophier Verdugo says

    As Fodolodo mentioned, this was a question asked exclusively to Republican Primary Voters, the questions separated after they chose a political party. Those were the same ones who overwhelming thought that President Obama is a Muslim and was born in Kenya.

  6. Mike8787 says

    Here is the other failure — this was a phone survey, and a long one at that. Young people don’t do these kind of surveys. Even their results show that — 66% of respondents were 46 years or older. 22% were over 65! Meanwhile, only 9% were under 30.

    SURPRISE, poll-takers: That is a not even the beginning of a representative sample. What we’re seeing here is older respondents are unsurprisingly conservative, even those that identify as democrats.

  7. heresyourchange says

    Flags mean different things to different people. I generally can’t stand flag wavers, regardless of the flag.

    To some gay men, the rainbow flag means acceptance and inclusion. And parades and glitter!

    To many gay men and most of the non-gay population, it represents an embarrassing prissy subculture.

    To most who understand history, the confederate flag represents the thirteen original colonies that founded this country.

    That the confederate flag is, today, owned by hillbillies and racists really sucks. Because it’s a nice looking flag with a significant history… whether we agree with that history or not.

  8. JackFknTwist says

    I wager that if this sample was given a wider choice, say the Swastika, no doubt they would vote for that.

    Stupidity and bigotry are to be confined, not given the oxygen of hate. These voters just indulge their ill educated prejudices without reason or any knowledge of history or of social change.
    Or else they are just going “by their gut” to use that abominable American phrase.
    Either way their display of mediaeval coarseness is sickening.

  9. DroppingHints says

    @ HERESYOURCHANGE; “To some gay men, the rainbow flag means… To many gay men and most of the non-gay population…”
    – Speak for yourself and no one else, you odious troll. You don’t know what you’re talking about. You broadcast assertions from a vacuum, without support. The burden of proof would be on you to justify all that you said, but of course you can’t, because you’re just an anti-gay, heterosexual, comfy comfy coward.

  10. says

    Yes, those are the numbers for the Republican Primary voters, not surprisingly.

    And I grew up in the South. We certainly never considered that flag “epresents the thirteen original colonies that founded this country.” It represents the South, specifically in its opposition to the North over a) slavery and then b) integration.

    It’s actually used around the world as a symbol of racism. It’s plastered on walls here in Croatia, because the football fan clubs (Torcida at least) are proud of their racism.

  11. olympiasepiriot says

    May I suggest the Battle Flag get re-done in rainbow? (Side note: Interesting that the only flag anyone remembers right off on either side is the Battle Flag. I’m including myself in that “anyone”.)

  12. Daniel says

    Second what Jeff said, Andy. You’re reading the poll results wrong. Ask this question to a representative sample (by age, political party, income, etc.) and I doubt you’d have anywhere close to these numbers.

    Reading comprehension fail on the internet, once again.

  13. Francis #1 says

    Mike put it well. At the end of the day, whether Republican or Democrat, people 40+ tend to be more conservative regarding their views on this issue. With that being said, most of the people in the 18-45 brackets also believe that a confederate flag is more acceptable. Really, this is also representative of a society that sees the pride flag as “flaunting of sexuality” and I think ultimately a lot of people are OK with our community to a point. Conditional acceptance.

  14. Mike says

    How many of those polled would rather watch an “action” movie where hundreds are killed by gunfire from the “hero”, over a movie where two men have a romantic kiss. Our culture thrives on the subjegation of love to hatred and violence. No surprise that symbols of political and racial hatred (and the symbol of a still simmering racially-based hatred from a war lost almost 150 years ago) is more acceptable to be displayed on a teenager’s tshirt than a symbol of diversity, acceptance and peace.

  15. JonnyNYNY2FLFL says

    Had the Confederacy won the Civil War & become an independent nation, my guess is that the North American continent would have lapsed into a constant state of war.

    Disputes about the western territories & other issues would mean our history would mimic the Europeans in centuries of non-stop hostilities toward each other. It’s reasonable to speculate that the CSA would ally itself with the Nazis in WWII due to the similar philosophies they held.

    The irony is that Southerners like to think of themselves as super patriotic Americans, yet their flag is the symbol of hatred toward everything the United States idealizes.

  16. Mike says

    Remember when I was a kid there was a mean and religious old man that had a large decal of a confederate flag PROMINENTLY, if crookedly displayed on his front door. (Every Halloween he and his wife used to turn off ALL Their house lights and pretend that no one was home.) When he died years later his son showed up and quietly removed it. Was told that the son had been banished from the house when he married a black girl. The decal of the Confederate flag appeared just after that . . .

  17. RonCharles says

    Last time I looked, the United States of America was still a free country. If students want to wear a Gay Pride flag, let them! If students want to wear a Confederate flag, let them!

  18. JackFknTwist says

    @ TED :
    “This is such BS. The only mean symbols have is the meaning YOU GIVE IT.”

    You are sounding like Alice in Wonderland.
    -Words mean what I want them to mean.

    And hast thou slain the Jabberwock ?

  19. woodroad34 says

    You know, I’m something of a BOQ unfortunately — but there is a ray of Pollyanna-ism still in me; so, if you added the “unsures” (those who could be swayed to the light) with the pro “gay t-shirts” in each of the questions above, they pretty much out-number (or come very close to out-numbering) the absolutist, definitive “bigots/violence” crowd. That looks like a win for our side.

  20. JMC says

    Regardless of how representative this poll actually is of public opinion, I’ll never understand how anyone can do this kind of absurd mental gymnastics to justify their hypocritical bigotry.

  21. says

    “HeresYourChange” is obviously a Troll, I take it, the name is a play on Obama’s “Hope and Change”.

    I see others responded to this persons comments, so I know I am not the only one who can smell pond scum via the www.

    Also, I’ll give Troll/PondScum some pointers:

    Never use the word “glitter” if you are doing so to paint a negative picture of one type of gay. That is a red flag for homophobia

    Second, you show your lack if authenticity by bringing in T-Bag talking points, and not the good ones might I add, when talking about the “Founding” of the country. That is a sure sign of T-Baggery mixed with FOX

    If you want to insult, just do so, chances are u wont have your comment deleted like on most “right- wing” sites and you probably won’t be banned like most pro-Confederate Flag groups on FB if you disagree with others.

    One last point, well a question actually; do you even know how and why the 13 colonies came to be?

    I doubt it, but just a thought that you may look up history and educate yourself.

  22. Michael says

    The Confederate flag is not a white supremacist flag whites, blacks, Hispanics, Jews, American Indians all served together defending the Confederacy. Do some research and you will learn the truth.

    http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/confederacy-signs-treaties-with-choctaw-and-chickasaw-tribes

    http://www.knowsouthernhistory.net/Articles/Minorities/hispanics_in_the_confederacy.html

    http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/r/rosen-confederates.html

    http://blackconfederates.blogspot.com/

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