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  1. pete n sfo says

    Here’s the thing… we don’t get to decide for others how they should feel or what their motivations are. Once I’m told it’s offensive, then I have to decide if I want to change my behavior or further offend. And who wants to be THAT person?

    Ru Paul needs to soften his position because he will soon alienate many more than “fringe” people.

  2. JWL says

    Im glad for Ru to be the first to stand up against this PC nonsense and he is absolutely right. The trans community is a diverse group of men and women who are not all on a hair trigger waiting to be offended, but a vocal minority who seek power would make it seem so.

  3. Mikey says

    I’m surprised seeing so many “PC police” comments from gay people. Seriously? We get invited to the adult table and how quickly we use the same justifications used against us?

  4. Qj201 says

    Ru is absolutely correct.

    This entire brouhaha was started by one vicious online activist: Parker Marie Molloy, a lesbian identified trans women.

    This women is like Larry Kramer without the brain nor the credibility. She is a “Freelance writer” just raising hell to get more work for herself.

    Ms. Molloy has also gone after Calpernia Addams and Andrea James.

    Ms. Molloy is currently having an online war through twitter and facebook with Jayne County.

  5. Derrick from Philly says

    I love Rupaul and his success, but HE’S WRONG. The Transsexual and Transgender communities decide what is proper language to define themselves. Both groups can’t make people respect their wishes BUT they can speak out about bigotry and the language of bigotry.

    “N.gger, Negro, Colored, Black, Afro-American, African-American.” Sometimes it takes time for people to respect what you want to called, or how you want to indentified.

    I had to learn NOT to call a Transwoman a drag queen…from THEDRDONNA on this blog.

    You have to learn…or stay ignorant and bigoted.

  6. says

    The thing about slurs, which I’ve said before is, they can only be reclaimed by the group for whom the word was coined. If I were called a Tr*nny it wouldn’t phase me because it’s not a word that’s been used dehumanize me. However call me the N word and you might get punched in the face. That being said I don’t use slurs that I don’t identify with.

    Tr*nny is one of those words that’s been used in a lot of gay pop culture and has mistaken many in the gay community as a word they can use, it’s not. It’s a slur against the trans community and it should not be used by anyone but the trans community if they so wish.

  7. Chip says

    MOZ’S nails it. Tranny is not a slur. Fag is a slur. When somebody is truly trying to inflict harm on a transexual person, either emotional or physical, they call them “fag” or “dyke,” not “tranny.” Almost everyone who uses the term “tranny” is an ally.

  8. Mousie says

    When I was in college the trans students would go to the “Tranny Shack” club to dance. My best friend in highschool is trans and now lives as a woman, and she uses tranny as well. I even quizzed her about it.

    I think different trans people have different opinions on this, but it is the vocal, complainy side getting the attention.

  9. Homo Genius says

    BRAVO!!!!!!!!! Miss Paul for saying what we are all thinking!

    Really the trans people need to join NOW. It seems like a more appropriate fit.

  10. Homo Genius says

    @derrick from philly

    “I love Rupaul and his success, but HE’S WRONG. The Transsexual and Transgender communities decide what is proper language to define themselves.”

    I don’t ever recall anyone ever asking US if we wanted to be referred to as LGBTQIEIEIO. I don’t. I am gay and I do not like be called LGBT. I don’t identify as such and had no say in the matter. Once again it was a few activist who scared the straight media into using it.

  11. Jase says

    You’re right, MAWM. I did an independent study on Trans Theater and Performance in college, and for the longest time, “transvestite” and “tranny” referred to people who would identify as transgender today, as well as transsexuals, and drag queens.

    If you read Charlotte Mahlsdorf’s biography (on which Doug Wright’s “I Am My Own Wife” is based), she would be transgender today, but always self-identified as a transvestite. April Ashley, one of the first transsexuals who had sex reassignment surgery, worked in the Paris Transvestite Revues, and she said that transsexual only truly applied to people who could qualify to have surgery (often because they were some degree of interesex). Those who would be called transgender today, who even took hormones and had silicone injected into their breasts and hips, were transvestites. Those who lived as men in their everyday lives, whom we’d call drag queens today, were called homosexual transvestites.

    Essentially, the word has been in both communities for a long time, and no, it hasn’t always been hateful. Many — both trans and non-trans alike — have used it endearingly.

    Knowing that people find it offensive, you probably should think twice before using it, but equally, you have to educate yourself on how and why people are using it.

    This is a splintered issue. Many people — particularly older people — take issue with the word queer, even though now it’s a pc term and there are university departments devoted to Queer Studies.

    People who truly hate you don’t care whether they’re using a pc term or not. Look how upset some of us got/get when “gay” is used as an insult, even though it’s a pc term. We’ll never squelch hate by policing speech. It evolves, and there’s always going to be a generation that doesn’t self-identify the way you’d want them to.

  12. Le_Tigre says

    I think the debate over whether or not a word is acceptable to use is not really the point of RuPaul’s argument. I think what he is saying is that you cannot look to others, outside of yourself, for acceptance or validation––one has to find this within oneself first.

  13. Tyler says

    The only reason “tranny” became a slur is because trans activists need to constantly impose new rules in order to feel powerful. They have few numbers, no money, and their only political successes have come from looting the LGB movement. But they like power and since most people are willing to agree to a group’s word choices for self-identification and most people want to be courteous, the trans activists quickly determined that language was an area that they could use to make people jump through hoops.

    After “tranny” we got the ban on saying “born as a male” a phrase trans activists use themselves. After that came a slew of rules about asking every person what their gender choice is, as if 99.9% of the population have transgender baggage. And after that came the demand that we use nonsense words like “zir”.

    Screw trans activists and their abuse of LGBs. Fight them on this and on everything else.

  14. Tyler says

    The only reason “tranny” became a slur is because trans activists need to constantly impose new rules in order to feel powerful. They have few numbers, no money, and their only political successes have come from looting the LGB movement. But they like power and since most people are willing to agree to a group’s word choices for self-identification and most people want to be courteous, the trans activists quickly determined that language was an area that they could use to make people jump through hoops.

    After “tranny” we got the ban on saying “born as a male” a phrase trans activists use themselves. After that came a slew of rules about asking every person what their gender choice is, as if 99.9% of the population have transgender baggage. And after that came the demand that we use nonsense words like “zir”.

    Screw trans activists and their abuse of LGBs. Fight them on this and on everything else.

  15. Tyler says

    The only reason “tranny” became a slur is because trans activists need to constantly impose new rules in order to feel powerful. They have few numbers, no money, and their only political successes have come from looting the LGB movement. But they like power and since most people are willing to agree to a group’s word choices for self-identification and most people want to be courteous, the trans activists quickly determined that language was an area that they could use to make people jump through hoops.

    After “tranny” we got the ban on saying “born as a male” a phrase trans activists use themselves. After that came a slew of rules about asking every person what their gender choice is, as if 99.9% of the population have transgender baggage. And after that came the demand that we use nonsense words like “zir”.

    Screw trans activists and their abuse of LGBs. Fight them on this and on everything else.

  16. Tyler says

    The only reason “tranny” became a slur is because trans activists need to constantly impose new rules in order to feel powerful. They have few numbers, no money, and their only political successes have come from looting the LGB movement. But they like power and since most people are willing to agree to a group’s word choices for self-identification and most people want to be courteous, the trans activists quickly determined that language was an area that they could use to make people jump through hoops.

    After “tranny” we got the ban on saying “born as a male” a phrase trans activists use themselves. After that came a slew of rules about asking every person what their gender choice is, as if 99.9% of the population have transgender baggage. And after that came the demand that we use nonsense words like “zir”.

    Screw trans activists and their abuse of LGBs. Fight them on this and on everything else.

  17. Tyler says

    The only reason “tranny” became a slur is because trans activists need to constantly impose new rules in order to feel powerful. They have few numbers, no money, and their only political successes have come from looting the LGB movement. But they like power and since most people are willing to agree to a group’s word choices for self-identification and most people want to be courteous, the trans activists quickly determined that language was an area that they could use to make people jump through hoops.

    After “tranny” we got the ban on saying “born as a male” a phrase trans activists use themselves. After that came a slew of rules about asking every person what their gender choice is, as if 99.9% of the population have transgender baggage. And after that came the demand that we use nonsense words like “zir”.

    Screw trans activists and their abuse of LGBs. Fight them on this and on everything else.

  18. Bellah says

    its this kind of attitude that get people killed. the fact that ru can dehumanize and diminish the lives of others is simply a example of what an idiot he is

  19. Bellah says

    its this kind of attitude that get people killed. the fact that ru can dehumanize and diminish the lives of others is simply a example of what an idiot he is

  20. Tyler says

    The only reason “tranny” became a slur is because trans activists need to constantly impose new rules in order to feel powerful. They have few numbers, no money, and their only political successes have come from looting the LGB movement. But they like power and since most people are willing to agree to a group’s word choices for self-identification and most people want to be courteous, the trans activists quickly determined that language was an area that they could use to make people jump through hoops.

    After “tranny” we got the ban on saying “born as a male” a phrase trans activists use themselves. After that came a slew of rules about asking every person what their gender choice is, as if 99.9% of the population have transgender baggage. And after that came the demand that we use nonsense words like “zir”.

    Screw trans activists and their abuse of LGBs. Fight them on this and on everything else.

  21. Ernie says

    The only reason “tranny” became a slur is because trans activists need to constantly impose new rules in order to feel powerful. They have few numbers, no money, and their only political successes have come from looting the LGB movement. But they like power and since most people are willing to agree to a group’s word choices for self-identification and most people want to be courteous, the trans activists quickly determined that language was an area that they could use to make people jump through hoops.

    After “tranny” we got the ban on saying “born as a male” a phrase trans activists use themselves. After that came a slew of rules about asking every person what their gender choice is, as if 99.9% of the population have transgender baggage. And after that came the demand that we use nonsense words like “zir”.

    Screw trans activists and their abuse of LGBs. Fight them on this and on everything else.

  22. Derrick from Philly says

    Rick,

    we know that you use TYLER’S posting name to make comments that are totally opposite to what TYLER actually believes, but do you have to post it 5 f.cking times?

  23. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  24. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  25. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  26. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  27. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  28. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  29. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  30. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  31. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  32. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  33. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  34. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  35. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  36. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  37. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  38. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  39. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  40. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  41. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  42. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  43. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  44. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  45. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  46. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  47. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  48. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  49. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  50. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  51. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  52. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out! Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of everything.They don’t seem to realise that people can lose sympathy very fast & then the fights really start.LOVE RuPaul.You go Tranny!!

  53. Joshua says

    What is with the trans hate here? I love RuPaul, but he’s wrong on this one. This would be equivalent to straight people telling us that “faggot” is a-ok to use because they decided so. Ridiculous.

  54. Joshua says

    What is with the trans hate here? I love RuPaul, but he’s wrong on this one. This would be equivalent to straight people telling us that “faggot” is a-ok to use because they decided so. Ridiculous.

  55. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out.Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of language.Don’t like it? Don’t watch it, simple! I’m a drag queen & i am a Transvestite and me & my mates are happy to call each other tranny.You start telling people what they can & cannot say and it just starts a fight and deep division.

  56. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out.Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of language.Don’t like it? Don’t watch it, simple! I’m a drag queen & i am a Transvestite and me & my mates are happy to call each other tranny.You start telling people what they can & cannot say and it just starts a fight and deep division.

  57. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out.Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of language.Don’t like it? Don’t watch it, simple! I’m a drag queen & i am a Transvestite and me & my mates are happy to call each other tranny.You start telling people what they can & cannot say and it just starts a fight and deep division.

  58. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out.Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of language.Don’t like it? Don’t watch it, simple! I’m a drag queen & i am a Transvestite and me & my mates are happy to call each other tranny.You start telling people what they can & cannot say and it just starts a fight and deep division.

  59. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out.Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of language.Don’t like it? Don’t watch it, simple! I’m a drag queen & i am a Transvestite and me & my mates are happy to call each other tranny.You start telling people what they can & cannot say and it just starts a fight and deep division.

  60. Jake says

    Thank god he FINALLY spoke out.Militant fringes of EVERY community piss me off with their policing of language.Don’t like it? Don’t watch it, simple! I’m a drag queen & i am a Transvestite and me & my mates are happy to call each other tranny.You start telling people what they can & cannot say and it just starts a fight and deep division.

  61. Derrick from Philly says

    All right. It’s time for me to start sipping from my flask. RICK posts 5 times as a false TYLER, and now 12 times as some creature named JAKE.

    Well, sometimes things get crazy on this blog on late Friday afternoons.

    If someone tells you that the name/title that you are using to define them is insulting–THEN YOU STOP.

    For instance, how many of you Gay guys commenting here would like to be called “queens”? It never bothered me because of my gender role non-conformity. But some of y’all would be ready to fight if someone called you a queen…wouldn’t it, you queens?

  62. Chris says

    Funny, I don’t remember anyone in the trans community asking if it was OK to refer to me as cisgendered…it’s not, btw. Every drag queen I know, and I owned a gay bar so that’s a lot, uses the word affectionately. A few activists decided one day that their most important purpose in life was the policing of one word.

  63. Chris says

    Funny, I don’t remember anyone in the trans community asking if it was OK to refer to me as cisgendered…it’s not, btw. Every drag queen I know, and I owned a gay bar so that’s a lot, uses the word affectionately. A few activists decided one day that their most important purpose in life was the policing of one word.

  64. rt says

    Ru needs to go back to stealing air conditioners out of windows on the Lower East Side. No one ever asks about those early days, but Ru was/is/will always be a thief.

  65. rt says

    Ru needs to go back to stealing air conditioners out of windows on the Lower East Side. No one ever asks about those early days, but Ru was/is/will always be a thief.

  66. rt says

    Ru needs to go back to stealing air conditioners out of windows on the Lower East Side. No one ever asks about those early days, but Ru was/is/will always be a thief.

  67. rt says

    Ru needs to go back to stealing air conditioners out of windows on the Lower East Side. No one ever asks about those early days, but Ru was/is/will always be a thief.

  68. rt says

    Ru needs to go back to stealing air conditioners out of windows on the Lower East Side. No one ever asks about those early days, but Ru was/is/will always be a thief.

  69. Tyler says

    Rick loves to impersonate me because he knows I’m much more enlightened than he is and will always point out his trolling.

    I’m really dismayed by what Ru is suggesting here. I thought he was better than this.

    Seriously, Rick/Jake/Fake Tyler, your individual trolling posts aren’t working so now you post your trollish comments dozens of times. Your tactics are strange. And irritating. And pathetic.

  70. Tyler says

    Rick loves to impersonate me because he knows I’m much more enlightened than he is and will always point out his trolling.

    I’m really dismayed by what Ru is suggesting here. I thought he was better than this.

    Seriously, Rick/Jake/Fake Tyler, your individual trolling posts aren’t working so now you post your trollish comments dozens of times. Your tactics are strange. And irritating. And pathetic.

  71. Thedrdonna says

    @Chris, did you poll all straight people before calling them “straight”? I don’t recall the results of that survey being passed around.

  72. Thedrdonna says

    @Chris, did you poll all straight people before calling them “straight”? I don’t recall the results of that survey being passed around.

  73. squinney says

    @Cran, I am AM INDEED a faggot, queer, homo, fudge packer, cock sucker, chubby chaser…..should I go on. They are just words. Words do not hurt me.

  74. squinney says

    @Cran, I am AM INDEED a faggot, queer, homo, fudge packer, cock sucker, chubby chaser…..should I go on. They are just words. Words do not hurt me.

  75. squinney says

    @Cran, I am AM INDEED a faggot, queer, homo, fudge packer, cock sucker, chubby chaser…..should I go on. They are just words. Words do not hurt me.

  76. squinney says

    @Cran, I am AM INDEED a faggot, queer, homo, fudge packer, cock sucker, chubby chaser…..should I go on. They are just words. Words do not hurt me.

  77. squinney says

    @Cran, I am AM INDEED a faggot, queer, homo, fudge packer, cock sucker, chubby chaser…..should I go on. They are just words. Words do not hurt me.

  78. squinney says

    @Cran, I am AM INDEED a faggot, queer, homo, fudge packer, cock sucker, chubby chaser…..should I go on. They are just words. Words do not hurt me.

  79. Randy says

    Ru is partially correct. The anti-tranny people are doing this for self-promotion.

    But words do have power, and we can’t choose who they have power over, who may be children, or depressed.

    Yet, tranny (like queer) is NOT one of those words. Unfortunately, it’s on the opposite trajectory as queer, changing from a positive word into a negative one.

    Let’s keep the word. It’s a good word.

  80. Thedrdonna says

    @Pablo: I bet you could tie some of those issues to a society where dehumanizing trans folks is still fairly acceptable. Change the zeitgeist, and the culture will change with it, but right now trans folks’ fight for acceptance is still lagging 20-30 years behind gay rights.

  81. Thedrdonna says

    @Pablo: I bet you could tie some of those issues to a society where dehumanizing trans folks is still fairly acceptable. Change the zeitgeist, and the culture will change with it, but right now trans folks’ fight for acceptance is still lagging 20-30 years behind gay rights.

  82. Thedrdonna says

    @Pablo: I bet you could tie some of those issues to a society where dehumanizing trans folks is still fairly acceptable. Change the zeitgeist, and the culture will change with it, but right now trans folks’ fight for acceptance is still lagging 20-30 years behind gay rights.

  83. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  84. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  85. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  86. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  87. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  88. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  89. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  90. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  91. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  92. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  93. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  94. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  95. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  96. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  97. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  98. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  99. Derrick from Philly says

    Both Gay and Transgender are umbrella terms that include a whole lot of people who think differently about how they define themselves.

    I believe that if you are Transsexual and you complete corrective surgery then you are no longer Gay or Trangender–you are a man (Chaz Bono) or a woman (Jayne County) UNLESS you are in a same sex relationship…then welcome back to the club, honey.

  100. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  101. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  102. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  103. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  104. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  105. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  106. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  107. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  108. says

    It’s times like this, when I see LGBT folk going back and forth over whether or not it’s OK to casually brandish a slur . . . I mean, really bending over backwards to justify questionable language, and trying to force reclamation theory down the throats of people who don’t buy into it . . . it’s times like this that I wonder if we aren’t the most insensitive, mean-spirited minority group in the world. Not to mention clueless!

  109. JMC says

    RuPaul has a laissez-faire attitude towards all slurs, not just tr*nny. He has a gross point of view on this and similar matters and always tries to word his stupid and harmful philosophies in such a way that they sound empowering.

  110. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  111. polargirl says

    The problem is this transgender umbrella. It conflates several people as one just like the racial colored umbrella sometimes does.

    What’s offensive to one group may not be to another. It sure does seem hypocritical to be offended by gays and lesbians to be offended by the homosexual umbrella but perfectly fine with not.onoy using but promoting an umbrella term that was ironically coined by someone who discriminated against both homosexuals and transsexuals.

  112. Tess says

    QJ201,

    The only thing I’ve seen Parker post regarding Jayne County was a link to a Facebook page where she was getting viciously attacked.

    Read all of Parker’s Advocate pieces and I defy you to find any to support your assertion that she is “vicious” or that she’s “raising hell.”

    A stray tweet or two notwithstanding, Parker Malloy is a model of restraint.

    And, for the record, I understand that Andrea James and Calpernia Addams have done things that have helped a great many trans women, and I don’t want to ignore that. But they’ve also done a ton of gatekeeping over the years that led a lot of us who were seeking helpful resources to conclude that we weren’t welcome in the trans community unless we fit a very narrow definition of trans. I spent years longer confused, in denial, and in the closet due to reading bad resources, and Andrea James’s website was a big part of that.

    Like I said, I respect the work these trans women have done because there were other women who they helped. But for them to attack about other trans women being insufficiently tolerant of diversity in the community is both shocking and offensive, and I can’t believe they have the gall to police others over this.

  113. Tess says

    QJ201,

    The only thing I’ve seen Parker post regarding Jayne County was a link to a Facebook page where she was getting viciously attacked.

    Read all of Parker’s Advocate pieces and I defy you to find any to support your assertion that she is “vicious” or that she’s “raising hell.”

    A stray tweet or two notwithstanding, Parker Malloy is a model of restraint.

    And, for the record, I understand that Andrea James and Calpernia Addams have done things that have helped a great many trans women, and I don’t want to ignore that. But they’ve also done a ton of gatekeeping over the years that led a lot of us who were seeking helpful resources to conclude that we weren’t welcome in the trans community unless we fit a very narrow definition of trans. I spent years longer confused, in denial, and in the closet due to reading bad resources, and Andrea James’s website was a big part of that.

    Like I said, I respect the work these trans women have done because there were other women who they helped. But for them to attack about other trans women being insufficiently tolerant of diversity in the community is both shocking and offensive, and I can’t believe they have the gall to police others over this.

  114. Tess says

    QJ201,

    The only thing I’ve seen Parker post regarding Jayne County was a link to a Facebook page where she was getting viciously attacked.

    Read all of Parker’s Advocate pieces and I defy you to find any to support your assertion that she is “vicious” or that she’s “raising hell.”

    A stray tweet or two notwithstanding, Parker Malloy is a model of restraint.

    And, for the record, I understand that Andrea James and Calpernia Addams have done things that have helped a great many trans women, and I don’t want to ignore that. But they’ve also done a ton of gatekeeping over the years that led a lot of us who were seeking helpful resources to conclude that we weren’t welcome in the trans community unless we fit a very narrow definition of trans. I spent years longer confused, in denial, and in the closet due to reading bad resources, and Andrea James’s website was a big part of that.

    Like I said, I respect the work these trans women have done because there were other women who they helped. But for them to attack about other trans women being insufficiently tolerant of diversity in the community is both shocking and offensive, and I can’t believe they have the gall to police others over this.

  115. Tess says

    QJ201,

    The only thing I’ve seen Parker post regarding Jayne County was a link to a Facebook page where she was getting viciously attacked.

    Read all of Parker’s Advocate pieces and I defy you to find any to support your assertion that she is “vicious” or that she’s “raising hell.”

    A stray tweet or two notwithstanding, Parker Malloy is a model of restraint.

    And, for the record, I understand that Andrea James and Calpernia Addams have done things that have helped a great many trans women, and I don’t want to ignore that. But they’ve also done a ton of gatekeeping over the years that led a lot of us who were seeking helpful resources to conclude that we weren’t welcome in the trans community unless we fit a very narrow definition of trans. I spent years longer confused, in denial, and in the closet due to reading bad resources, and Andrea James’s website was a big part of that.

    Like I said, I respect the work these trans women have done because there were other women who they helped. But for them to attack about other trans women being insufficiently tolerant of diversity in the community is both shocking and offensive, and I can’t believe they have the gall to police others over this.

  116. Tess says

    QJ201,

    The only thing I’ve seen Parker post regarding Jayne County was a link to a Facebook page where she was getting viciously attacked.

    Read all of Parker’s Advocate pieces and I defy you to find any to support your assertion that she is “vicious” or that she’s “raising hell.”

    A stray tweet or two notwithstanding, Parker Malloy is a model of restraint.

    And, for the record, I understand that Andrea James and Calpernia Addams have done things that have helped a great many trans women, and I don’t want to ignore that. But they’ve also done a ton of gatekeeping over the years that led a lot of us who were seeking helpful resources to conclude that we weren’t welcome in the trans community unless we fit a very narrow definition of trans. I spent years longer confused, in denial, and in the closet due to reading bad resources, and Andrea James’s website was a big part of that.

    Like I said, I respect the work these trans women have done because there were other women who they helped. But for them to attack about other trans women being insufficiently tolerant of diversity in the community is both shocking and offensive, and I can’t believe they have the gall to police others over this.

  117. Tess says

    QJ201,

    The only thing I’ve seen Parker post regarding Jayne County was a link to a Facebook page where she was getting viciously attacked.

    Read all of Parker’s Advocate pieces and I defy you to find any to support your assertion that she is “vicious” or that she’s “raising hell.”

    A stray tweet or two notwithstanding, Parker Malloy is a model of restraint.

    And, for the record, I understand that Andrea James and Calpernia Addams have done things that have helped a great many trans women, and I don’t want to ignore that. But they’ve also done a ton of gatekeeping over the years that led a lot of us who were seeking helpful resources to conclude that we weren’t welcome in the trans community unless we fit a very narrow definition of trans. I spent years longer confused, in denial, and in the closet due to reading bad resources, and Andrea James’s website was a big part of that.

    Like I said, I respect the work these trans women have done because there were other women who they helped. But for them to attack about other trans women being insufficiently tolerant of diversity in the community is both shocking and offensive, and I can’t believe they have the gall to police others over this.

  118. Bosie says

    Tranny. There get over it. I have trans, gays, les and Bi friends…no one gives a flying F***, our trans friends don’t care…and I don’t care about the use of queer words among the LGBT. PC Police needs a life.

  119. Bosie says

    Tranny. There get over it. I have trans, gays, les and Bi friends…no one gives a flying F***, our trans friends don’t care…and I don’t care about the use of queer words among the LGBT. PC Police needs a life.

  120. Daniel says

    In my early days in Los Angeles I men a lot of transgendered MTFs, mostly they were Latina and Asian, many of them worked as prostitutes and they called themselves “trannies”. It wasn’t till years later when I started meeting middle class transgendered people that I started hearing the term was offensive. Maybe it’s a class thing. RuPaul came from the streets.

  121. Daniel says

    In my early days in Los Angeles I men a lot of transgendered MTFs, mostly they were Latina and Asian, many of them worked as prostitutes and they called themselves “trannies”. It wasn’t till years later when I started meeting middle class transgendered people that I started hearing the term was offensive. Maybe it’s a class thing. RuPaul came from the streets.

  122. Daniel says

    In my early days in Los Angeles I men a lot of transgendered MTFs, mostly they were Latina and Asian, many of them worked as prostitutes and they called themselves “trannies”. It wasn’t till years later when I started meeting middle class transgendered people that I started hearing the term was offensive. Maybe it’s a class thing. RuPaul came from the streets.

  123. Daniel says

    In my early days in Los Angeles I men a lot of transgendered MTFs, mostly they were Latina and Asian, many of them worked as prostitutes and they called themselves “trannies”. It wasn’t till years later when I started meeting middle class transgendered people that I started hearing the term was offensive. Maybe it’s a class thing. RuPaul came from the streets.

  124. Brion says

    Didn’t stop her from removing all the episodes that said SHE MAIL from season 6 of her show. Sorry RU, love ya. But you caved. Big mistake.

  125. Brion says

    Didn’t stop her from removing all the episodes that said SHE MAIL from season 6 of her show. Sorry RU, love ya. But you caved. Big mistake.

  126. zezirbullshit says

    The only reason “tranny” became a slur is because trans activists need to constantly impose new rules in order to feel powerful. They have few numbers, no money, and their only political successes have come from looting the LGB movement. But they like power and since most people are willing to agree to a group’s word choices for self-identification and most people want to be courteous, the trans activists quickly determined that language was an area that they could use to make people jump through hoops.

    After “tranny” we got the ban on saying “born as a male” a phrase trans activists use themselves. After that came a slew of rules about asking every person what their gender choice is, as if 99.9% of the population have transgender baggage. And after that came the demand that we use nonsense words like “zir”.

    Screw trans activists and their abuse of LGBs. Fight them on this and on everything else.

  127. Arrow says

    RuPaul should be lauded. He is an institution. I find trans people fascinating. Enough of this word policing. A rose by any other name would smell as sweet. “Fags” really despise that they have to accept Trans at all. Blame the idiots who came up with LGBT rights It’s all in the blender of “acceptance” now…ha.ha..

  128. Anony6 says

    How often have we seen a larger group of people trying to justify their unwanted characterizations of a minority group. This is exactly what Rupaul is doing. If members of the trans community say and feel the “tranny” term is a slur, then it is, period, and its usage should be discontinued. Rupaul is wrong on this. His lack of sensitivity on this issue wreaks of callous privilege.

  129. gerryg says

    You can’t just decide to be insulted by a term that isn’t used as an insult and tell other people they aren’t allowed to use it. Besides tranny comes from transvestite, not transgender. I don’t see why Ru as a man who used to dress up as a woman and go out to clubs and parties can’t use the word tranny if he wants.

  130. beaugard says

    I love Rupaul and I can see why he thinks the way he does, but Rupaul isn’t even a transvestite, he doesn’t like dressing up in women’s clothes, he has made it clear he only does it for “work.” A transvestite likes wearing women’s clothes, they wear them for themselves, so I don’t know, I am not sure she can claim authority on this.

  131. Dixichuk says

    Poor Ru. He’s victim to the same old trap as old straight men and jocks. When terms like “That’s so gay”, “don’t be a fag”‘ et al has been tolerated, enabled and accepted for so long they become part of the lexicon, their common usage is probably not really meant to be homophobic or offensive. But we humans make up all our rules and sometimes the rules change. All animals seem to have some innate threat of change and we are no different. It’s a process, it’s a new game plan. I hope Ru gets with the new plan. Know when to fold em and know when to hold em may be corny but true nonetheless.

  132. says

    Tranny, tranny, tranny, tranny, Get OVER it. I hear this word a bazillion times a day. Never, ever EVER used in a HATEFUL way. Don’t even try to compare to the N-word. It’s not even close. I hear hate when I hear the N* word. Tranny is a silly fun little word. THAT’S the intention. Life is silly and fun. Like Rupaul says, if this is bothering you, if this is what you’re losing your breath over…you’re gonna have a HELL of a ride. GET OVER IT.

  133. MiHi says

    Everybody has the right to be offended.

    Do the offended people understand that when Ru uses the word tranny, she’s talking about transvestite and not transsexual? There’s a huge difference, one fits what Ru does, one doesn’t.

  134. You're Irritating says

    Every Tranny I know is proud of the term and will kick your ass if you call them something that they feel is offensive. Preach on Mother Ru!!!!

  135. ScottCA says

    Every transgender person I know considers the “T” word a slur. That’s all I need to know. The fact that so many “fags” on here think the “F” word is a slur and the “T” word is not is disgusting. I guess its different when the slur is being directed towards oneself.

  136. ScottCA says

    One of the earlier apologists referenced “TrannyShack” as a justification for using the “T” word. TrannyShack has announced an intention to change their name.

  137. enchantra says

    This is just more of the “let’s think up new ways to keep other people off balance” game. When I was in college most of these folks were called drag queens. Then genderbenders as a broader category and transexual for those who wanted to live as the sex they identified with but weren’t born in. Now thirty years of highly wasteful “gender studies” have produced enough BS that you need a pitchfork to move it.

  138. enchantra says

    Gerry G – Sure you can. In 1969 some black activist decided that “negro” was a bad word and that “afro-american” was the only acceptable term. 40 years later and you have idiots under 50 years old who think it’s an epithet. You know what’s racist? Referring to Mongoloids/orientals as “Asians”. That’s racist.

  139. enchantra says

    SCOTTCA – Some of us are old enough to remember transgender people using “tranny” to refer to themselves and not in a “What up my nggazz ?” way. Your friends are full of crap.

  140. cognitive capture says

    what saddest to me is not only does this fringe clique of trans-hacktivists NOT know their trans herstory.. they don’t seem to care to know it either :(

    I love and respect the tranny pioneers.. I look up to them and Im a proud young tranny because of it.

    “Tranny was invented as a term of affection between those of us who wished to live outside the gender binary system.”
    -MX Justin Bond, tranny artist & pioneer
    https://www.facebook.com/justinvivianbond/photos/a.10152519194064319.1073741826.15067224318/10152519275974319/?type=1

    “The word tranny has its origins within trans culture and from people who themselves identified in some way as trans, or were the allies of trans people. These were the people who fought the real battles, who came out of the closet. They stood on the side of tolerance and freedom. These people are owed respect for their efforts and their courage…
    Censoring language censors history. In this case, the history for whom the word “tranny” was and is a unifying word and a step up. Turning “tranny” into a prejorative is an insult to those who stood for the rights of trans people to be seen and heard.”
    -Veronica Vera, founder of the first transgender academy ever, 32 years ago
    http://veronicavera.wordpress.com/…/miss-vera-on-tranny/

    “Tranny began as a uniting term amongst ourselves. Of course it’s going to be picked up and used as a denigrating term by mean people in the world. But even if we manage to get them to stop saying tranny like a thrown rock, mean people will come up with another word to wound us with. So, let’s get back to using tranny as a uniting term amongst ourselves.”
    -Kate Bornstein, tranny LEGEND
    http://katebornstein.typepad.com/kate_bornsteins_blog/2009/07/who-you-calling-a-tranny.html

  141. jake john says

    shut up all you ridiculous harpies commenting on how wrong he is.. As a gay man I can refer to myself and my friends as fags all I want.. just because a portion of the tranny community disagrees doesn’t mean rupaul can’t call himself and his friends whatever he wants.. No one is using Tranny as a slur. if u feel like a target then you will always be a target no matter what language people use. grow up

  142. Alfred says

    IMO, I think it’s the line that we all have to adhere to. We can’t shift the line as we see fit. If we’re saying the word fag/faggot is offensive, the same applies to tranny. RuPaul is wrong because he thinks he’s above the small-minded people who can’t get over the use of the word – whilst it is not our job to make everyone feel un-offended, wouldn’t it be nice if we all agreed not to use it anymore? I think we could all convey what we wanna say without a word or two.

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