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BB 16's Frankie Grande Claims Gay Men Have 'Genetic Predisposition' But Lesbians 'Choose To Become Lesbians': VIDEO

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"Big Brother 16" house guest Frankie Grande, who has received a great deal of press for his many cuddle sessions with apparently heterosexual competitors and his revelation that he's pop star Ariana Grande's half-brother, recently took it upon himself to inform everyone about why gay people are the way they are. Is it a choice? Is it biology? Frankie seems to have all the answers.

Grande2At first he tells his housemates that gay men have a "genetic predisposition towards being attracted to other men. There's genetic markers in your blood, there's pheromone receptors in your nose...However, I believe society can change you. It depends on how you've been raised." Certainly a problematic perspective, though he clarifies somewhat when he states that society can make one "choose to go against their genetic markers," presumably speaking about the constant homophobic pressures around us.

Things get really hairy, though, when Frankie delves into the mysteries of gay women.

Crushable reports:

That theory, which he’s pontificating on to a room full of reality TV contestants who don’t know any better... apparently only applies to gay men. Only they are born with this mythical predisposition — women never are.

“Any lesbians choose to become lesbians later in life. Women who have been with man after man after man after man choose to become a lesbian later in life. Gay men it doesn’t work so much that way. It’s usually they’re like ‘oh okay, no I’m gay.’”

Truly incredible stuff, Frankie. The most disturbing part? The housemates, and, it seems, Frankie himself, have deemed him resident LGBTQ expert. They hang on to every last word as though it is indisputable. 

"Nature versus nurture is a very highly debated subject, even within my own community," he says. I'm not sure what community you are representing, Mr. Grande, but one where only scorned women "become" lesbians is not the community of which I count myself a part.

Watch the full discussion, AFTER THE JUMP...

[photo via Cliff Lipson/CBS]

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  1. Cocaine/Meth's a hellova drug.

    Posted by: Robert | Aug 29, 2014 1:15:43 PM


  2. The media is taking what he said out of context. If you actually listen to the whole conversations, he was referring to the fact that men tend to realize that they're gay earlier than women. And that for some women, it takes them years, even after marriage to a man, to realize that they're gay. Nice journalism there.

    Posted by: Ryan | Aug 29, 2014 1:23:33 PM


  3. So he IS as dumb as he looks.

    Posted by: Jack M | Aug 29, 2014 1:26:48 PM


  4. well that was spectacularly unimpressive. nature VS nurture is still a debate? really? amongst whom?

    i think all intelligent minds are pretty much in agreement that the only factor "nature" plays is in how one chooses to address the nature of their innate orientations.

    Posted by: Little Kiwi | Aug 29, 2014 1:29:21 PM


  5. "Constant shallowness leads to evil." - Coil

    Posted by: TheOtherOne | Aug 29, 2014 1:33:34 PM


  6. Stfu, queen!!

    Posted by: CC | Aug 29, 2014 1:36:21 PM


  7. To be fair, it's not like he pulled this completely out of his ass. He expressed it very poorly and insensitively - he's a bit confused - but there is ample evidence that points *somewhat* in the direction he's referring to.

    Male birth order has been linked to male sexual orientation, but no such link has been found in women. And while I certainly wouldn't call it a "choice", multiple studies have found that sexual orientation is - on average - more "fluid" with women. I assume those are the studies he has in mind.

    Posted by: Rich | Aug 29, 2014 1:36:41 PM


  8. There may be a kernel of truth to this. The Swedish twin study showed sexual orientation was 35% determined by genetics in males, but only 18% in women. Society, family, parenting, etc. determined 16% in women, but only 1% in men.

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/06/080628205430.htm

    Posted by: Merv | Aug 29, 2014 1:37:05 PM


  9. Embarrassing to say the least...but I think Robert hit on it. I have a drug addicted daughter...very sad...and this is just what she looks like in EVERY way.

    Posted by: Paul B. | Aug 29, 2014 1:39:06 PM


  10. I have a suggestion...why don't we ask the lesbians we know what they think. Men, pontificating about women/lesbians...how dumb is that!

    Posted by: Johnnybegood | Aug 29, 2014 1:45:49 PM


  11. How can you take seriously the scientific theories of someone with a pink pompadour?

    Posted by: Patrick Henry | Aug 29, 2014 1:46:35 PM


  12. He's such a vile person in general, and it's sad to watch someone his age whose entire sense of self is based on tying himself to his little sister. Once he referred to himself as a "media mogul" on the air because he has a youtube account, I was done.

    Posted by: Jerry | Aug 29, 2014 1:50:04 PM


  13. I'm not usually fond of dissing my fellow gay folk but loudmouth dizzy queens who have no clue what they're talking about should learn the value of holding their tongues. Unfortunately someone who imagines that they're a celebrity because they stooped to appearing on a reality show is unlikely to have an appropriate epiphany. This particular cotton candy-head is in need of a serious dressing down regarding why men shouldn't pretend to speak for women, gay or not. Unfortunately the TV eye just adores this type of gay person while generally eschewing more thoughtful and informed gays.

    Posted by: FriendOfTheBear | Aug 29, 2014 1:51:47 PM


  14. A real braintrust.

    Posted by: Mike in the Tundra | Aug 29, 2014 1:52:31 PM


  15. Why is anyone watching this show?

    Posted by: Mike Ryan | Aug 29, 2014 2:12:43 PM


  16. I just want this tired ass, "youtube personality", to stfu and go away.

    Posted by: D | Aug 29, 2014 2:30:23 PM


  17. @Mike Ryan: Well, it isn't for Frankie, that's for sure. Cody, Zach and Caleb are good eye candy.

    Posted by: Decker | Aug 29, 2014 2:33:17 PM


  18. So it's been confirmed he's dumber than he looks

    Posted by: Will | Aug 29, 2014 2:33:28 PM


  19. Johnnybegood:
    Why? If it is a scientific question. It is either true or it isn't. Or we don't know. You don't need to have a vote.

    Posted by: simon | Aug 29, 2014 2:56:44 PM


  20. frankie is not an authority on social behaviors, don't expect him to speak like one. he gave as good an answer as i would have expected him to give, and i wasn't offended at all.

    he comes across as having lived a sheltered life, and his having a wealthy father, a sister (somewhat) successful in entertainment, and his other "deep" insights into other matters on the show this season, his monologue really should surprise no one.

    Posted by: northalabama | Aug 29, 2014 3:07:32 PM


  21. The fact that this show is in its sixteenth season speaks volumes about the contempt TV executives have for the viewing public and also about the extreme lack of discriminating intelligence that characterizes the viewing habits of TV audiences.

    Posted by: odee | Aug 29, 2014 3:11:25 PM


  22. But he DOES have a point.

    Either you gay men are woefully naive and dumb or you're full of sh*t.

    I don't know one straight female friend of mine who hasn't at least messed around with a woman BUT they are 99% white and liberal.

    Academically, with black women, it tends to be women who have suffered some sort of deep resentment against males.

    These from my personal and professional experience are the two groups more fluid when it comes to being a lesbian.

    Posted by: Rowan | Aug 29, 2014 3:14:49 PM


  23. A little learning is a dangerous thing, as they say. Frankie has almost everything half right. There is good evidence that the reasons for men and women being homosexual are not the same (quote apart from the individual reasons a given person identifies as straight or gay).

    @Little Kiwi
    I understand where you're coming from - but the evidence for a genetic determinant for homosexuality is not compelling. I know "unchosen" sexuality is one of the default assumption of progressive/liberal social theory generally and the gay rights movement more specifically... but it is likely only a useful fiction. The fiction is supported by activists in the public square because it generates empathy from (often religious) straight people. The fiction is believed by individuals because thinking otherwise challenges our desires for personal authenticity and a purposeful existence.

    If we instead accept that human sexuality is a lived experience in which people "settle into" a sexual orientation over the course of their lives (some earlier and some more definitively than others), we:

    1) risk giving fodder to anti-gay forces who criticize our sinful "choices"

    2) risk our own cognitive dissonance at considering that maybe we could have been straight

    3) risk giving up the "comfortable" social protocols that the assumption of rigid sexual orientations make possible.

    Instead, we decided to accept the notion that sexual orientation is a biological trait... and now we scratch our heads at all these strange and conflicting research findings where only a small percentage of gay people show any effect for a given biological factor. When a thousand different things correlate with something to different degrees in different people we shouldn't call that determinism.

    Posted by: Kipp | Aug 29, 2014 3:25:11 PM


  24. Rowan - Did you hurt yourself dear? I know that words with images between your ears thinky tv box place doesn't get much use, so to type this all by yourself must have left you with such a big headache. Reward yourself with your crackpipe and go back to watching your new queen dullard-out other BS mysteries.

    Posted by: Robert | Aug 29, 2014 3:25:47 PM


  25. Barf. This nobody needs a bright pink ball gag.

    Posted by: AdamK | Aug 29, 2014 3:26:17 PM


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