Siegfried & Roy: Hate Crime or Just Not a Fan of Magic?


There was a shooting tonight outside the home of Siegfried & Roy which was originally labeled a hate crime. Apparently the shooter “fired four shotgun blasts from a white van and shouted that the former Siegfried & Roy stars should get out of the country.” According to a witness the exact words were “We need to get these ‘expletive’ Siegfried and Roy out of our country.”

The crime was later said to be miscategorized. Hate crimes are apparently for “cases where race, religion, ethnicity or sexual orientation is a factor.”

Uh, ok, well let’s just ask this question, hypothetically. What does one do in the case that homosexuals are closeted, are celebrities, and have felt their whole lives that being outed might ruin their careers because their staple audience, ala Liberace, does not or does not want to know that they are gay?

Now I’m not saying that Siegfried and Roy are any of these things…I’m just askin’. Is it a hate crime or is it just assumed that the shooter has something against white tigers?

Is a hate crime a hate crime when the hated deny that they’re hated?

Does a tree falling in the forest make a sound if no one is there to hear it?


  1. says

    Also, the shooter said something about getting them out of the country. Might that not be something driven by ethnicity, in that case? Okay, it’s more of a national origin issue, but that’s a close call, I would think.

  2. says

    Hate crimes are thought crimes, & have a pernicious subtext: some victims are more impt than others. Fortunately, American courts have largely struck down such legislation. Assault & murder are already crimes, & judges & juries have always considered the context & motivation in sentencing.

    The majority of crimes in America are committed by black males. Is it a hate crime when a black male assaults a white person? Only if he says ‘whitey’? Don’t you think the race of his victim crosses his mind? Again, some victims are more impt than others.

    It’s very stupid & short-sighted for gays (@ 4% of population) to support speech restrictions, as they can only lose in the long run.

    See my post on Sweden, which has come to the logical end of hate crimes legislation: the end of free speech for Swedes. People are now going to PRISON for expressing politically incorrect opinions. Oddly, no hate-spewing imams have been sentenced to prison under the same guidelines.