03/15/2007
Jim McGreevey Joins Larry Kramer in Times Square Protest
Former New Jersey Governor Jim McGreevey (above, right) joined Larry Kramer (below in T-shirt and hat) and his ACT UP "army" of approximately 60 activists and veterans today at noon at the Times Square military recruiting station to protest remarks made by Joint Chairman of the Chiefs of Staff General Peter Pace and the military's "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policy.
We sent Towleroad correspondent Dave G. to cover the activity. Kramer called for a new "gay army" in remarks at New York's Gay & Lesbian Center on Tuesday night, and announced plans to picket Times Square. McGreevey, who attended that event, promised to show up at the protest, and did.
National Gay & Lesbian Task Force Executive Director Matt Foreman and Rabbi Sharon Kleinbaum were both arrested for civil disobedience.
More coverage over at Joe.My.God and Good as You and Rex Wockner.
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I am still on the fence regarding McGreevey and his newfound gay activism. It has nothing to do with his coming out. I was a chicken shit and came out in my late 20s. But it always seems to be more about him and less about the gay community. I dunno. Perhaps I am being too cynical.
Posted by: Marco | Mar 15, 2007 1:09:59 PM
I think there should be a place for Mr. McGreevy in the gay community. I've observed that many middle-aged, married men with children who decide to come out later in life have a hard time finding acceptance from anyone.
Mr. McGreevy could be a voice for the gay community. If he was able to get himself elected governor of New Jersey, he must have something going for him.
Could he be elected to anything, given his history and ongoing missteps?
Posted by: John | Mar 15, 2007 1:21:31 PM
How do we know McGreevey is a top? And is it relevant to the article?
:-)
Shallow, I know, Larry I love you, but damn if it wasn't the first thing I thought of reading the post:
Former New Jersey Governor Jim McGreevey (top, right) joined Larry Kramer (below in T-shirt and hat)
Posted by: tjc | Mar 15, 2007 1:22:08 PM
Doesn't having McSleazy there detract from the protest?
McSleazy didn't "get himself elected governor of New Jersey." The machine put him in there and used him as a place marker.
Posted by: shane | Mar 15, 2007 1:25:13 PM
McGreevey's an embarrassment.
Coming out late in life is just fine. Being forced out because you sexually harrassed someone after abusing the privileges of office in order to bribe them with a job is less fine.
Also, every time he opens his mouth he sounds more obnoxious.
Posted by: dangbad | Mar 15, 2007 1:37:23 PM
Whatever, guys. At least McGreevey's doing something.
Posted by: the other jeff | Mar 15, 2007 1:40:46 PM
TJC...I am rolling. That McGreevey top comment has me on the floor at another boring day at work. Thanks for the laugh.
Posted by: Scott | Mar 15, 2007 1:41:19 PM
seriously, lay off mcgreevey. at least he's there. were you?
Posted by: NYCREDNECK | Mar 15, 2007 1:44:46 PM
The military recruits in Times Square????
Next thing you know, they'll have a kiosk next to Space Mountain in Disney World.
Posted by: mark m | Mar 15, 2007 1:47:08 PM
OK so credit where credit is due, he is not all bad, & any publicity is good publicity right? & At least he is willing to stand up & take a stand, so yay for Gay Rights causes, but still boo on some of his other choices.
Posted by: Matt | Mar 15, 2007 1:47:30 PM
Hooray for these 60 showing up. [Where were HRC and NGLTF?], but must we have the protest sign versions of attention-at-all-costs drag freaks? "PACE IS IMMORAL. GAYS ARE FABULOUS"—yeah, I bet that opened thousands of minds. That sound you hear is fag bashers, particularly those in military service, all over the world, wailing in remorse. "If we had ONLY KNOWN!"
Posted by: Leland | Mar 15, 2007 1:48:29 PM
Damn it, Leland: just when I want to cuddle up with you in a mountain cabin in front of a roaring fire, you write something that spoils the moment! You're back to being politically correct. How, my dear, do you manage that? Let the drag-freak sign wavers wave!
Posted by: JT | Mar 15, 2007 1:59:25 PM
McGreevey's outing, book, "lover's" denial, and divorce only adds to the negative stereotype that homosexuality is wrought with dysfunction and an unhealthy lifestyle. He is just one more public figure who's homosexuality is surrounded by scandal. He should go away quietly.
He is so sleazy. He's completely checking that guys ass out in the first picture.
Posted by: Tyler | Mar 15, 2007 2:01:24 PM
The anti Mcgreevy thing is becoming silly - His presence will guarantee news coverage - most likley national - and as long as he continues to use his newfound public gay voice as a vehicle for change he's cool with me.
A heartfelt Thank You to all 60 or so "soldiers" who were there fighting for my rights! Rock on!!
I'll definitely be at the ACT UP 20th march on the 29th.
Posted by: GIOVANNI | Mar 15, 2007 2:01:44 PM
He does look a bit out of place there in a suit and tie.
It's a bit desperate to have to go to Times Square to attract protest attention. There are what--100,000 cameras there at any given time?
Leland cuddly?? Perish the thought.
Posted by: anon | Mar 15, 2007 2:13:55 PM
McGreevey needs to lose the suit.
Golan Cipel was a Mossad operative. If he was right about his accusations he would've stayed and sued. Instead he ran back to Israel. McGreevey was guilty of letting himself be manipulated by that hustler. He should've known better. But I'm willing to forgive and forget.
Posted by: Gabriel | Mar 15, 2007 2:15:18 PM
"Pace is immoral. Gays are fabulous."
Sounds like the "dry wit" of Garrison Keillor.
Posted by: Ed | Mar 15, 2007 2:17:31 PM
Larry Kramer called for a protest in New York and only 60 people showed up? That's saddening.
Posted by: John T | Mar 15, 2007 2:20:11 PM
Saddening? It's encouraging. That old ball of hate and venom has outlived his usefulness to the gay "community." I love how his t-shirt asks, "Where is the outrage." This isn't 1981 anymore, Larry.
Posted by: Cyd | Mar 15, 2007 2:44:34 PM
If you want to see real activism, you can watch Larry Kramer's March 13th speech by following the link below.
http://www.gaycenter.org/events/actupVideo
Posted by: ANON | Mar 15, 2007 2:59:39 PM
Leland, not only the NGLTF show up, Executive Director Matt Foreman was *arrested* for civil disobedience.
Posted by: Joe.My.God. | Mar 15, 2007 3:07:42 PM
Not very many young people there. Kind of sad that ederly gay men are still carrying the burden for the rest of us.
Posted by: Matt | Mar 15, 2007 3:12:34 PM
I'm really grateful that these people took the time to gather and make a statement....
But, am I wrong for always feeling little mortified when they pull out the rainbow flags? Seems like they should be wearing ruby slippers too or something. Maybe we could move on from the rainbow flags..
Posted by: Greg | Mar 15, 2007 3:12:52 PM
Hey, at least he's there. Ditch the rainbow flags? Never! What blasphemy...
Posted by: FanGirlHater | Mar 15, 2007 3:20:05 PM
Yes, Cyd, thank God it's not 1981 for your hero, your Messiah, Ronald Reagan's first term would just be starting, that is, his genocide of tens of thousands of gay men. Did you fuck yourself this morning with your Ronnie Dildo?
"[Kramer] that old ball of hate and venom has outlived his usefulness to the gay "community." Cyd, you're a goddamn self-loathing cocksucking neonazi fag. Much of Reagan's rape of America could be blamed on Alzheimer's—what's your excuse? Suck a razor blade, Cyd.
For those unfamiliar with him, Cyd isn't just your typical psycho, but Mr. Outsports.com.
Posted by: Leland | Mar 15, 2007 3:25:01 PM
Concerning the comments of removing rainbow flags and not having "gays are fabulous" on a sign, why don't we just go for broke and bow down before our straight masters. Hopefully, they'll show mercy upon us as we are inferior.
Let's not make them angry.
Posted by: Marco | Mar 15, 2007 4:00:15 PM
In addition to Outsports.com, which has, even I agree, despite its “hot half naked jocks are superior human beings” religion, made some significant contributions to the gay community he mocks, Cyd Ziegler has a personal site, thedooryard.com. When he's not expressing thanks here that only 60 people showed up to protest military homophobia and DADT, and attempting to slime Larry Kramer, on his own site he's said this:
“[General] Pace doesn't owe anyone an apology [for saying homosexuality is immoral]. His language was not hate speech, it was a revelation of his personal belief system.”
“One of my purposes in creating and maintaining this blog is to let gay conservatives know that, despite all of the hate so many gay activists send their way, they're okay..... The latest gay conservative to be put in front of the gay-activist firing squad is Matt Sanchez, a former Marine who is also a former gay-porn actor.” No surprise that Cydney loves the fact that Sanchez has a big cock even if he's not Aryan.
Cydney's site also carries ads for Ann Coulter books.
“Should we make a big fuss about [her latest use of ‘faggot’] and protest and boycott? No.”
And a book by Tony Blankley, the fat toad fascist editorial page editor [read spinner of demagoguery] for the rabidly homophobic and dishonest Washington Times owned by Rev. Moon. Blankley was once Newt [nuke the gays and liberals] Gingrich's press secretary, and a “policy analyst” and speechwriter for Ronald Reagan, whose policies included ignoring AIDS while it spread wildly and bodies stacked up like firewood [think about it].
Cydney also pimps books for another one of his heroes, Peggy Noonan, another Reagan speechwriter and Ronnie Whore who used the word “faggots” in one of her books. Noonan, far more sophisticated and smart than Coulter, is no less a Nazi She Bitch. She’s a matronly cheerleader in a St. John suit for the Hillary Haters Squad who’s called Hillary the “harridan of the East Wing and the nutty professor of HillaryCare.” The latter refers to the antiChristian Clinton effort to pass some form of Universal Healthcare. The Cons would rather die than see someone else live because, gasp, the government paid for their medical treatment, which somehow didn’t put Noonan beyond trying to exploit the brain dead Terri Schiavo for political gain.
Cydney again: “It's been a crazy last 10 days for me. The day following the Super Bowl was full of some gay people jumping up and down, screaming about how homophobic a Super Bowl commercial for Snickers was. I thought it was funny when I saw it during the game, and I think it's funny now.”
And, on and on, from the guy who, one imagines, wants “Tomorrow Belongs to Me” from “Cabaret” sung at his funeral by shirtless young blond germans in black leather pants and boots. Ziegler Heil!!!
Posted by: Leland | Mar 15, 2007 4:16:14 PM
Hey Leland...WHERE WERE YOU.
Posted by: MCnNYC | Mar 15, 2007 4:39:52 PM
I'm glad McGreevey is there and Kramer too. If they weren't no media would cover it. The rainbow flag looked great.
Posted by: Jack! | Mar 15, 2007 4:41:05 PM
But THANKS for the 411 on CYD that REALLY SUCKS --had no idea....
Posted by: MCnNYC | Mar 15, 2007 4:42:46 PM
Re Cyd: Oh...huh... well I guess that would help explain the lack of diversity on Outsports.com (Amaechi aside) - always wondered what was up with that - now I get it.
Posted by: Giovanni | Mar 15, 2007 4:50:11 PM
I gotta admit, I've only read a few dribs and drabs from "the dooryard." After I read that a few frigid days in NYC this winter was enough for Cyd to pronounce global warming an alarmist theory (or something like that), I clicked out and never clicked back.
Posted by: Jeff | Mar 15, 2007 4:54:37 PM
Mcnyc: Leland's too bashful to admit to it, but he's taken any number of red eye flights from the land of sun to NYC for any number of protests and demonstrations. This one was not a bit more impromptu so he couldn't make it.
I've read Cyd's blog quite a few times. I find nothing objectionable about it except for its content.
Posted by: JT | Mar 15, 2007 5:00:39 PM
LOL. You guys are great! Yes, that's me - a self-loathing, racist, SEXIST (you forgot that one) homophobe. lol. You all are so awesome. Thanks for giving me such a chuckle today!!
The gay thought police lives on . . . Your statements about my opinions are so far off it's hysterical! But, since you have this divisive us vs. them attitude, it will serve no purpose to engage you here.
I really like Andy, but you all make it harder and harder to read this blog.
BTW, I've done more for gay equality than most of the rest of you combined. And I've "only just begun" (Yep, it's The Carpenters I want sung at my funeral. I don't like "Cabaret".)
Posted by: Cyd | Mar 15, 2007 5:06:36 PM
No, Marco, that's not what I was saying at all. I don't wean that we should bow down to anyone. What I meant to say is that the gay culture isn't only rainbow flags and showtunes. That we are just everyday people like everyone else... The rainbow stuff might have had a positive initial statement, but now just seems to be a joke. Maybe it's just me...
Posted by: Greg | Mar 15, 2007 5:30:26 PM
Proving once again that Charisse is the only Cyd that matters.
Half you bitches would be complaining if McGreevey DIDN'T show up.
Larry Kramer is God.
Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Mar 15, 2007 5:34:14 PM
Hmmm, I didn't indict you of all of those things, Cydney, but I, clearly, left out "paranoid." Predictable how those who idolize ideologues like Reagan are quick to accuse others of being "thought police." If you were capable of being more objective, let alone honest, you'd concede that the issue is less alleged "policing," but simply that many thoughts hear disagree with your own. Just as what makes it "harder and harder [for you] to read [Andy's] blog" is that so many disagree with you. Nor did I "statements" about your opinions. I expressed deductive opinions from yours of my own.
And without trying to bolster your simplistic and dishonest mantra of "Divisivness," I readily admit, as I've said before, that the "friend of my enemies is my enemy." And, this, according to someone else one imagines you admire, Pat Buchanan, is a cultural war.
But you aren't just their would-be friend, you are just sharing thought, but you sell books for them, too, including, again, one of the poster whores of divisiveness, and, again, Blankley and Noonan are little better. You're a smart man, Zeigler. Surely, you can defend yourself with ideas, not reverse attacks. Defend putting money in the G-strings of chorus girls for homohatred like Coulter, Blankley, and Noonan. Please.
Finally, I don't know about others here who've disagreed with you, but we've never met. So it's a bit cheeky for you to claim you've "done more for gay equality than most of the rest of you combined." Perhaps you have, but you failed the epistemological test.
Paranoia....hallucinations....political Stockholm Syndrome....delusions of telepathy....delusions of grandeur.... Come on down!
Posted by: Leland | Mar 15, 2007 5:43:14 PM
"BTW, I've done more for gay equality than most of the rest of you combined."
Just wondering, what have you done?
Posted by: Silas | Mar 15, 2007 5:48:27 PM
Sometimes I think I read Towleroad more for Leland then anything else.
I really enjoy reading your comments here but do you also have your own blog?
Thanks for your posts, they're great.
Posted by: Adam | Mar 15, 2007 5:57:14 PM
I always got the impression that Andy and Cyd were personal friends. Am I wrong?
Posted by: anon | Mar 15, 2007 6:07:50 PM
Cyd: I find your masturbatory comment about doing so much for the gay community insulting and inappropriate. How dare you? How dare you think that your pathetic straight-acting and appearing drivel in any way contributes to improving gay civil rights. How dare you believe that you are, in any way, the equal to the many men (and women) who read Towleroad, and who DAILY put themselves on the line by challenging the bigots in state legislatures, hate-filled Republican (and some Democratic) politicians in the District of Columbia, and hypocritical and mass-murdering cadre of the US military. HOW DARE YOU?!
Posted by: JT | Mar 15, 2007 6:16:46 PM
Yes, I agree. Many of us have done things in our own way. I've focused mostly on sports, where the situation for gay people is a lot worse than in politics. And yes, I was wrong to say I've done more than anyone, because I don't know you. I didn't mean to diminish anyone else's efforts. I'm simply tired of hearing how "self-loathing" I am because I disagree politically on many issues with the gay left. I have found it very difficult to have a political conversation with most gay people I know because they resort to telling me I'm "wrong," "self-loathing," "homophobic," or an "Uncle Tom." When, in fact, I LOVE myself, and SO glad I'm gay, and would CHOOSE to be gay if I was given the choice. And yes, every day at Outsports have conversations that advance our equality.
I'm sure you're a fine person, Leland. And the others here. But some of the things you've said here are just so wrong. My business partner at Outsports couldn't be more my political opposite; to say my politics or some alleged racism (that accusation is particularly disgusting to me, given that my niece is half-black) dominates Outsports is appalling. We get emails all the time telling us we're a tool of the "left-wing conspiracy."
As for JT, I find comfort in the boatloads of emails I get from young kids in high school and college who find strength at Outsports and the other gay-sports ventures I've been a part of. I take great pride in that.
Posted by: cyd | Mar 15, 2007 6:55:49 PM
Ummmm is Larry losing his luster? And wtf is he doing with a simpleton like McGreavey?
Posted by: danielhh | Mar 15, 2007 7:28:11 PM
Cyd: Thank you for your admission that you were wrong in your assertion.
I try to keep an open mind to conservatives...hell, Matthew Schooler is one of my best friends and he's a psycho! I actually wrote to you over a year ago supporting your conservative voice (we liberals still need your yin to our yang, as much as it galls me to say that).
The issue with Outsports, for me, is that it really does seem to be a vehicle for saying that gay people are just like straight people. And that smacks of saying that "straight" is the canon by which that which is acceptable should be measured. I (and many others) seriously disagree with that. In fact, as much as I love Leland, he slips into that mind set at times (he'll e-mail me, now!)
I shouldn't write any more. It's cocktail time in Michigan.
Posted by: JT | Mar 15, 2007 7:30:27 PM
Already wrote you, JT, and, if you must know, I look terrible in a slip.
For the record, I do not believe that "straight" is "the canon by which that which is acceptable should be measured." What I do believe is that "least stereotypical" is the marketing approach that will win the quickest. The Trojan Gay, if you will [and you know you would]. Once they pull us inside the gates of the city we'll show them what FABULOUS really is!
Posted by: Leland | Mar 15, 2007 7:49:55 PM
Cyd has an advertisement for Ann Coulter on his blog?
Posted by: Ed | Mar 15, 2007 8:08:44 PM
Books under “Recommended Reading” on Cyd’s personal blog, with a hyperlink to purchase from Amazon.com, include Ann Coulter’s “Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right” (“With a new forward by Rush Limbaugh”).
Posted by: James | Mar 15, 2007 8:36:52 PM
Cyd, do you really recommend books by Ann Coulter?
Are you serious?
Posted by: jmg | Mar 15, 2007 8:53:24 PM
Some of our readers at Outsports tell us that our mission is to dispell stereotypes. I always say that is incorrect. That is NOT a mission of Outsports. I love drag queens. Hell, I've been known to don the high heels and a wig from time to time (Andy can attest to that). I love the "feminine" side of gay culture, and I get pissed when people call me "butch," because it's not about that. My football league has a drag queen, a trannie and a bunch of nelly queens. And I love it.
I don't see Outsports as saying gay people are just like straight people at all; if we were, there would be no need for the Web site. It's interesting that that's what you take from it, because that's NOT how my business partner or I approach the site.
I personally see Ann Coulter as a comedienne. I really enjoyed Slander; I do think there is a terrible bias in the media, and a lot of her stuff in Slander really hit home. But, I generally see her as an over-the-top comedienne. When she calls John Edwards a "faggot," it's so absurd that I actually chuckle. And so many people take the bait and plaster her all over the media. But, I do understand why people get upset hearing her. If you don't view her as a comedienne, what she says could be perceived as nasty.
Posted by: Cyd | Mar 16, 2007 12:08:24 AM
Cyd I heard you over at Truthdig the other week discussing the Tim Hardaway contoversy.
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/20070220_podcast_cyd_zeigler_on_gay_athletes_hardaways_homophobia_and_more/
Your views about gay people are so messed up that I don't know whether to slam my fist into the wall or cry. Don't you understand how gay people's lives are undermined and threatened everyday?
Posted by: Jack! | Mar 16, 2007 10:02:38 AM
Cyd,
Speaking as a former Republican (and I am not being flippant here), my affiliation with that party ended not long after I came to the realization that there was nothing wrong with being gay and I came out.
I could no longer consider myself Republican when so many right wing Fundamentalists and politicians (all Republican) were saying my lifestyle was immoral and that I was a threat to children and to family values.
I am still confused on how you balance your notion that being gay is ok with affiliation to a party - populated by many religious conservatives - who not only think that your lifestyle is immoral but that you should not be allowed to enjoy tax benefits or adopt children?
I am not one who will shoot you down if you say that you're trying to turn the tide away from those religious zealots in your party. Fantastic, and more power to you... I just can't understand why liberals bother you more than fag-hating zealots? As I've pointed out to other conservatives on this blog, it just seems to me that liberals are the lesser of two evils. If you don't agree, then please explain why.
As I said, I'm not being flippant or confrontational here.
Posted by: mark m | Mar 16, 2007 11:44:00 AM
Too bad this thread was highjacked with arguments left vs right.
What I retain is that some very brave men and women took it to the streets of NY to voice their anger at what is starting to shape in the question of gay rights in the country.
And I believe we have to demonstrate in ALL WAYS we can that we will not be intimidated by the powerlful or the famous; and if anyone should give themselves the liberty to publicly condemn our lives and families, they should expect a statement back about them. Fair dealing.
And I'll say this: if you're homosexual in the US 2007, observing everything that's going on, and you're not angry - then I'd love to know what your secret is..
Posted by: Da | Mar 16, 2007 6:51:10 PM
Cyd, I can see how one could view Ann Coulter as a comedienne.
But I believe you are smart enough to know that many people out there believe the garbage that she is spewing.
And promoting her books on a web site at least partially dedicated to a gay man's life only encourages controversy. But I guess you want that. You seem to love the "I am gay, but I don't fit in with the gays" persona. Good luck with that.
Posted by: jmg | Mar 16, 2007 10:02:08 PM
JMG, he's just a homosexual. He's not socially and politically identified as a gay man. Just a run of the mill, ambivalent homo.
Posted by: sean | Mar 17, 2007 12:27:58 AM
Why are we all getting so upset over Cyd? He is contributing to our cause by running OutSports and he is entitled to his opinion on politics even if the majority of us feel that he is wrong. I personally don't see how anyone could be Republican but it has a lot more to do with them being the party of Big Business, Corporatism, and Alexander Hamilton than with the few bones they throw to the religious right from time to time. Also I don't like the Dems either but truthfully both parties support big government now just in different ways and if you don't believe me than why has the government grown more in the past six years than during the entire Clinton era. Also both parties support militarism abroad it's just that the Dems prefer to use it more at a later time than the Repubs; just remember who started Vietnam.
I am a libertarian and if they aren't available then I vote Green. Will they get elected maybe or maybe not, but at least I don't feel guilty for voting for the lesser of two evils anymore instead I vote my conscience and if everyone in America did that then we would have a much better country. I want to see real change in this country and neither the Repubs or the Dems are going to give us that. So let him support who he wants to support.
The others are right here though Cyd supports a party that currently supports active discrimination against gay people. The Dems may not actively support us and our causes but they aren't actively discriminating against us either. If the Republican party had its way sodomy would still be illegal and they would be trying to pass more legislation against gays if only to appease their voter base more thoroughly. If the Dems ever get a backbone the Republicans will be in trouble.
Posted by: Jason Young | Mar 19, 2007 3:18:44 PM
Never heard of Cyd before or his blog or outsports but the way he's attacked on here, I think I'm going to have to start reading his stuff. Thanks for the recommendation guys.
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