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Virginia Tech Shooter Was a Student, Authorities Say

At least 33 are dead, including two professors and the gunman, in the latest reports on the tragic campus shooting that took place at Virginia Tech yesterday. At least 15 are reported injured. It is being called "the deadliest shooting rampage in U.S. history."

Chi_seung_huiPreliminary identification of the deceased shooter has been made but not released.

University police have not yet released the name of that suspect. University president Charles Steger said told CNN he did not believe there was another gunman at large. Authorities say that the shooter was likely an Asian student living in a Virginia tech dorm.

UPDATE: Authorities have now identified the shooter as Cho Seung-Hui, 23, a student and native of South Korea (pictured). He reportedly left a note of several pages explaining his actions and reads, in part, "You caused me to do this."

The professors killed were identified as G.V. Loganathan, a professor of civil and environmental engineering, and Liviu Librescu, a professor of engineering science and mechanics.

According to the NYT, "There was a two-hour gap between the first shootings, when two people were killed, and the second, when a gunman stalked through the halls of an engineering building across campus, shooting at professors and students in classrooms and hallways, firing dozens of rounds and killing 30. Officials said he then shot himself so badly in the face that he could not be identified."

VigilThe shooting may have begun as a lover's quarrel.

According to the University's Collegiate Times, many of the Norris Hall shootings took place in a German class.

The NYT also reports: "Virginia imposes few restrictions on the purchase of handguns and no requirement for any kind of licensing or training. The state does limit handgun purchases to one per month to discourage bulk buying and resale, state officials said. Once a person had passed the required background check, state law requires that law enforcement officers issue a concealed carry permit to anyone who applies. However, no regulations and no background checks are required for purchase of weapons at a Virginia gun show. 'Virginia’s gun laws are some of the weakest state laws in the country,' said Josh Horwitz, executive director of the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. 'And where there have been attempts to make some changes, a backdoor always opens to get around the changes, like the easy access at gun shows.'"

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  1. Gun control is lovely, but would it have stopped this nut? Would a background check have prevented his purchase of guns and ammo?

    Somehow I doubt that he has a record of mass murder/suicides in his past.

    This reminds me of the furor after 9/11 damning security flaws on the airlines, when the hijackers specifically used items that wouldn't be detected by security anyway.

    Posted by: Gregg | Apr 17, 2007 1:36:56 PM


  2. Let the gun control battles begin!

    I believe the worst school shooting in US history had either 28 dead or over 50--I can't remember off the top of my head. It was an elementary school shootout in the 1930's by a lone gunman. In any event, the first 2/3'rds of "Bowling for Columbine" are pretty good as MM tries to figure it all out, but his conclusion: that it's all a conspiracy to suppress blacks and reds out of fear is an odd one (particularly since black-on-black violence accounts for about half the violent crime in the US). Even the idea that you would get more cultural harmony from a homogeneous society (Canada) doesn't square with the existing US crime statistics. It is generally thought that high poverty/low general education rates are associated with violent crime. Ironically, not in this case though.

    Violent crime rates in the US are the highest in the industrial world, but petty crime rates and burglary (theft) is much higher in Europe. Guns seem to prevent petty crime but not violent crime. Nothing on white collar crime though.

    Posted by: anon | Apr 17, 2007 2:02:30 PM


  3. Zeke touche. I would not rather have them bulldozing men. the point was that israel is by far not a peaceful place on both sides.

    Mark m and the rest, australia though after many of the worse cases were already shipped off to america. i would also speculate that the religous nutters were mostly sent to america and not australia. To my african american brothers this fact doesn't let you guys off :-) few african americans are of pure african stock thus you to have a bunch of crazy ass criminal whitie blood in your background as well ;-)

    I would speculate that there isn't one american who doesn't have some criminal or religous nutter in their family tree.

    On this guy being south korean. Who is to say he doesn't have the blood of an american GI mixed in his background somewhere? :-)

    As an american myself, hey oh well. We were founded by nutters and criminals. the puritans were most likely to a person all schizophrenic etc. We were not founded by the most inteligent , sane, and moraly upstanding people from europe...there has to be some kind of genetic component to all that that carries down through the ages and makes us so utterly different from canadians , europeans, etc

    Posted by: pacificoceanboy | Apr 17, 2007 2:03:12 PM


  4. Actually Zeke he's been here since he was 8 and his parents live in Fairfax County, Virginia.

    Posted by: Jason | Apr 17, 2007 2:22:14 PM


  5. Understood Pacific. I figured that was the case.

    By the way I REALLY have enjoyed your contributions to the comment sections over the last few days. I don't know if you are a new Towleroadie or not, but you are certainly a welcomed addition!

    Posted by: Zeke | Apr 17, 2007 2:43:13 PM


  6. MARK M wrote: "What is it about America that encourages its citizens (or in this case a South Korean Nationalist) to take as many lives with them as they can before they commit suicide?"

    I believe the deterioration of a moral code and the lack of care in which so many families raise their kids are two reasons why you see horrible acts (in the U.S. versus other countries you listed) like the one we were shocked with yesterday at Virgina Tech

    Posted by: Stephen | Apr 17, 2007 2:58:39 PM


  7. Let me publicly state here that I was WRONG in my earlier statements, in another related thread, accusing Bush of turning this tragedy into an NRA ad and on my claim that his press conference was called to promote the Iraq war. I relied on reports from a partisan site that misrepresented the facts.

    I apologize for passing on that misinformation and I apologize to RP for responding inappropriately to his proper challenge of my mistatements.

    I hope most people here know that this was a rare instance of me shooting off my mouth without doing proper research or thinking and I hope most people will see it as a rare instance where I allowed myself to drag partisan politics into an unrelated discussion.

    I would rather be known as a person who admits to his mistakes and isn't ashamed to publicly apologize when he's wrong.

    Posted by: Zeke | Apr 17, 2007 3:02:30 PM


  8. Jason, understood but that wouldn't affect his genetic predispositions, which is what Pacific was referring to.

    Posted by: Zeke | Apr 17, 2007 3:04:51 PM


  9. For those of you who continue to focus on the "militia" reference in the 2nd Amendment and incorrectly use it to claim that it does not actually extend rights to the individual; what do you think a militia IS??

    ON "MILITIA"

    A militia is not a traditional government-backed armed force and there is no minimum size to a militia. It can be as few as one or as many as one million.

    You may also be quite surprised that the United Sates government considers every single "all able bodied males between the ages of 17 and 45 (who are citizens or have declared their intent to become citizens) not serving in the armed forces or state national guard units are considered the unorganized militia, as well as all female citizens in state national guard units." (Title 10, USC, Section 311)

    Is this a very old statute? Perhaps, but law nonetheless.

    ON OTHER COUNTRIES AND GUNS

    Enough of the misguided idea that the US is "obsessed with guns" and therefore causes these tragic incidents.

    We may "like our guns," but we are not the only country in the world that does. Let's look at Switzerland.

    "Guns are deeply rooted within Swiss culture - but the gun crime rate is so low that statistics are not even kept.

    The country has a population of six million, but there are estimated to be at least two million publicly-owned firearms, including about 600,000 automatic rifles and 500,000 pistols." (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1566715.stm)

    ON OUR GUN VIOLENCE

    It's not the guns that are the problem. It's our obsession with violence that is. We are a violent culture...in our news, our movies, our TV shows, our video games.

    Yet it is the sex that we obsess over and hide "from the children." The MPAA shuffles through movies with PG13 and R ratings with little hesitation. But stamps films with any amount of sex with R's and NC17's.

    It's not the tools of the trade (the guns) that are the problem. It's the deranged people we are churning out that are the problem. It's takes a crazy psychopath to actually pull the trigger.

    You can scream and yell to usurp the Constitution by banning guns and gun sales. Or you may even try to change the Constitution. But the guns are out there and there's no way to round them all up.

    We would be better served to resist the siren call of more gun control psychosis, and instead focus on making a less violence obsessed and morally bankrupt society.

    Switzerland managed to pull it off.

    Posted by: Patrick W. | Apr 17, 2007 3:52:52 PM


  10. per

    bartelby.com online free dictionary so simple to search in the modern era you numbnut patrick

    An army composed of ordinary citizens rather than professional soldiers. 2. A military force that is not part of a regular army and is subject to call for service in an emergency. 3. The whole body of physically fit civilians eligible by law for military service.

    notice all the plurals!!!!! so simple you could have looked it up yourself but ignorance abounds and is obviously lazy.

    Plural forms designate more than 1 person. A militia is not 1 person it is a group. sorry NRA folks

    per the constitution and a simple english dictionary MILITIA more than 1 person in an armed group and not simply any armed group or a group of terrorists would be equal to the minute men militia of our forefathers who fought the british. A group subject to be called up in case of an emergancy.

    Duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!numbnut

    Zeke ;-) Thanks, actualy I am someone familiar who bought a new computer which of course created a new IP whatever number and allowed for a simple towleroad name change. :-) Hint= all of my typos and misspellings because even with a new computer I don't take the time to edit before posting. :-) The pacific reffernce is in refference to a move from the east coast to west in a few more months. Can you figure out who I am? :-)

    Posted by: pacificoceanboy | Apr 17, 2007 4:25:11 PM


  11. PS stephen
    "moral decay"

    LOL do you mean those morals that had the american millitary purposefuly give smallpox infected blankets to freesing displaced indian tribes to kill them all off??? Those old fashioned american moral values that saw the enslaving of africans? Those good old boy morals that would see you strung up dancing in the wind from a tree at the end of a rope?

    just wondering

    Posted by: pacificoceanboy | Apr 17, 2007 4:29:47 PM


  12. "Gun control is lovely, but would it have stopped this nut? Would a background check have prevented his purchase of guns and ammo? "

    Well a background check would have revealed that he isn't a U.S. citizen. Obviously in Virginia, you can buy a weapon and not even be from this country (y'know like most terrorits?).

    And Stephen, I disagree with your assertion that declining moral code is to blame. That code was never quite as rosey as you and other lovers of bygone eras seem to think it was.

    As for blaming this on our violent society. It may be true, but something about America makes us more prone to violent images than the Japanese, who have EXTREMELY violent entertainment and video games.

    Pacificboy.. I know who you are :)

    Posted by: mark m | Apr 17, 2007 4:47:48 PM


  13. Jimmyboyo

    Posted by: 24play | Apr 17, 2007 4:57:52 PM


  14. That explains everything JB my friend.

    I was wondering about you just yesterday.

    Glad to have ya back!!!!!

    Posted by: Zeke | Apr 17, 2007 5:04:48 PM


  15. I was wondering how long it would take PACIFICOCEANBOY to call me a "numbnut." Only 32 minutes! Whoo hoo!

    I know your online reference better suits your "argument," but my "ignorant and lazy" source to confirm the definition of milita was Wikipedia. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia )

    Have a look if you're not feeling ignorant and lazy.

    Cheers!
    Numbnut

    Posted by: Patrick W. | Apr 17, 2007 5:12:46 PM


  16. patrick LOL

    wikipedia

    the same wikipedia that recently said the comedian sindad was dead when in fact he is very much alive

    LOL
    LOL
    LOL

    You do know wikipedia is reader edited and thus of course quite simple for a pro NRA person to add in whatever definition they want for all the world to see.

    LOL kid

    never use wikipedia to support your point

    LOL
    LOL

    numbnut twice over

    LOL

    Posted by: pacificoceanboy | Apr 17, 2007 5:21:04 PM


  17. LOL wikipedia

    you do know that even my neices elementary school teacher fails instantly any student that uses wikipedia as a refference source for a report

    LOL

    LOL

    LOL

    patrick numbnut check out official dictionarys for definitions all show exactly what a militia is

    LOL

    Posted by: pacificoceanboy | Apr 17, 2007 5:23:51 PM


  18. mark M

    24play

    zeke :-) Hidieho folks

    jimmyboyo I am

    By the way any west coasters, this boy is moving to San Diego in august. You have been warned. LOL :-)

    Posted by: pacificoceanboy | Apr 17, 2007 5:28:05 PM


  19. Ohhhhhhhh_my_god. Can this PACIFICOCEANBOY get any loonier? It's time to medicate.

    I think I'll heed the advice of that famous quote:

    "Never have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent."

    Posted by: Patrick W. | Apr 17, 2007 5:36:16 PM


  20. Patrick kid

    I never claimed to be sane. Sane is boring.
    I did and do make the claim of being right.Which every dictionary prooves while you utilize a defunct debased and dispeled source that not even elementary school kids use now a days. Catch up kid, the information age is passing you by.

    Posted by: pacificoceanboy | Apr 17, 2007 5:46:46 PM


  21. PS patrick

    just to rub salt into that wound there

    per the OXFORD ENGLISH DICTIONARY


    militia
    /milish/

    • noun 1 a military force raised from the civilian population to supplement a regular army in an emergency. 2 a rebel force opposing a regular army.

    — ORIGIN Latin, ‘military service’.


    LOL kid The oxford english dictionary is the top notch, top drawer, best source that can't be beat

    :-) have a nice day numbnut

    Posted by: pacificoceanboy | Apr 17, 2007 5:54:10 PM


  22. Loren Coleman, author of The Copycat Effect, predicted this event with uncanny accuracy on March 28th:

    "During the spring of 2007, school professionals and paraprofessionals, law enforcement officials, and mental health personnel should be aware we are entering the most active "School Shooting Season" since 9/11. From the end of March through the end of May, this window of time could be very deadly."

    http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2007/03/school-shooting-seasons.html

    Posted by: John C | Apr 17, 2007 6:19:13 PM


  23. 4 in 10 American households have firearms.
    that's just sick.

    Posted by: A.J. | Apr 17, 2007 6:29:35 PM


  24. POB: as a commmie, wouldn't you be happier in Cuba? I should point out that the US hasn't been behind most troubles in this troubled world: the holocaust, forced collectivization, Rwanda, the cultural revolution, etc. Other cultures can be just as violent given half-a-chance.

    Posted by: anon | Apr 17, 2007 7:06:54 PM


  25. so, do you guys like sucking korean dick?

    i hear after an hour, you're hungry for more dick!

    Posted by: bob | Apr 17, 2007 7:30:39 PM


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