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New Hampshire Primary Votes to be Recounted

Following a request by Democrat Dennis Kucinich and Republican Albert Howard, the New Hampshire Department of State issued a press release on Friday that a recount of ballots cast in the primary would go forward.

Clinton_obamaThe HuffPost reports: "The demand for a recount isn't about the New Hampshire primary--anything short of a result showing Obama winning by more than say, 5% would still put the vote within the realm of a Clinton 'comeback' from Iowa. It's about the amount of distrust that voters have in the machine voting systems--machines which studies have shown to be not just hackable, but often poorly conceived and constructed. People who conduct business over cell phones, computers, and ATMs are nervous about electronic voting because they feel that something about the whole process has gone amiss; the voting machines' source codes are proprietary to the companies so any flaws remain hidden except when extensive studies, such as those conducted by Ohio and California are done."

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  1. I'm sorry, but when we have to start recounting every single vote that is cast, even in primaries, at what point does it not become more efficient to just go back to paper ballots? It just makes me sick of the entire process.

    Posted by: Gabe | Jan 14, 2008 4:22:03 PM


  2. I agree with Gabe. If the electronic voting is fallible then go back to the way we were.

    Posted by: FernLaPlante | Jan 14, 2008 4:42:26 PM


  3. Gabe

    What is worse is that canada hand counts their votes within a 2 day time period

    Many european nations all do the empty box, paper ballot, paper ballot into box, count the ballots by hand system without any of the diebold shenanigans.

    Could the us MSM stand waiting 2 days?

    The NH problem is in part due to the precincts that did computer tabulation as vs hand counts are all produced by former DIEBOLD now renamed but the same company that were proven hackable and alterable a while ago

    Posted by: Jimmyboyo | Jan 14, 2008 4:56:33 PM


  4. Argh. There were no precincts in NH that had electronic voting. Nearly half were paper ballots; the rest were optical scanning - shown to be among the best (ie, least # of errors) voting systems.

    Posted by: PistolPetey | Jan 14, 2008 5:07:48 PM


  5. pist

    Who claimed electronic voting?

    It is hand tabulation vs electronic tabulation.

    The machines used in NH were made by the renamed bust same old Diebold people whose product was proven multiple times by many universities to be both easily hackable and easily manipulated.


    Posted by: Jimmyboyo | Jan 14, 2008 5:17:31 PM


  6. We've had some debates in Ireland about electronic voting. It was tried in a couple of constituencies at the previous election but was abandoned because people had concerns that the system could be rigged.

    As we have single-transferable voting, it is quite exciting to see the way patterns of voting emerge. While it can sometimes take time for a final outcome (particularly where the vote is even and coalitions need to be formed), the exercise is very interesting and foundational of our democracy.

    While you Americans seem to enjoy the spectacle of primaries and caucuses (which do focus the whole campaign through the lens of a single State such as Iowa or New Hampshire), it does seem to be a bit sinful to spend such an amount of money on any election. Nonetheless, it is a happy spectator sport - and I'm looking forward to a long night in November in front of the television - whatever the outcome.

    Posted by: SeanR | Jan 14, 2008 6:17:10 PM


  7. Ok, this seals it for me. I am voting for Dennis Kucinich on any ballot he appears.

    PistolPetey - optical scanning IS electronic voting. A computer scans the paper ballots and tabulates the results, with the same hackable flaws. Why are folks like you so resistant to getting actual proof that the machines are secure and accountable?

    Posted by: gay as life | Jan 15, 2008 12:22:58 AM


  8. In response to PistolPetey, it wasn't half, it was 81% of NH precincts that used Diebold's optical scanning machines. The exact same machines that have shown NUMEROUS fraud vulnerabilities, and were the focus of HBO's "Hacking Democracy", where they showed how easily one person could flip an election using Diebold's shady memory cards.

    Here are some other FACTS from the NH primary:

    1) Both Democrat and Republican candidates have requested recounts.

    2) Hand count and machine count locations, when calculated statewide, show a "miracle" statistic:

    Clinton Optical scan 91,717 52.95%
    Obama Optical scan 81,495 47.05%

    Clinton Hand-counted 20,889 47.05%
    Obama Hand-counted 23,509 52.95%

    3) Two hand count towns reported "zero" votes for candidate Ron Paul to the media, even though they did have votes for him, 31 and 25 respectively.

    Tomorrow NH will recount all ballots (including optical scan ballots) BY HAND. There is still a chain of custody issue as to where the Diebold ballots have been stored and who has had access to them since the primary (because Diebold claims this is "private" information). But the Secretary of State of NH has requested all chain of custody information as well as all ballots be shipped to Concord for a full recount tomorrow.

    Bill Bowen
    New York, NY

    Posted by: Bill Bowen | Jan 15, 2008 3:51:07 PM


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