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  1. Jimmyboyo says

    What is intresting is that out of all the repubs that actualy voted despite already having a nominee, over 15% didn’t vote for McCain. Romney got 10% and Huckabee got 5%. Crazy!

    His support is very soft within his party

  2. Rafael says

    It was refreshing to see the message of UNITY take center stage last night. I’m quite proud of both candidates. I really didn’t expect anything less.

  3. daveynyc says

    The Clinton campaign will keep going strong, this is just a new chapter in her making history. Senator Clinton is in it for the long run, that is for sure. Obama’s speech was great last night…However, I think the momentum is still in Clinton’s favor. There are still primaries left out there, voices to be heard. I still believe she has a great case to lay out to the supers. I urge any supporters of Clinton or if you are undecided to please go to hillaryclinton.com and contribute. Also, please write, email and call the DNC and tell them that Florida and Michigan must be seated, they are part of the United States and their votes must be counted. I’m very excited at this new stage and I think like most of America this spirited contest is great for our party and for democracy as a whole. Hillary ’08!

  4. Jimmyboyo says

    DAVENYC

    Howard Fine said last night that the Obama camp has said that they will sit down to discuss FL and Michigan. Since Obama’s lead in both pledged delegates and popular vote would still be there even giving FL and Michigan to Hillary as is.

    They will be sat. No need to worry about them.

  5. Rafael says

    Good point JB. I tuned into Fox news last night, just for kicks, and they weren’t too keen on McCain, of course their consensus was that the presumptuous republican nominee is far better than either democrat. But one of the views they shared, was that if Ron Paul still get votes today, so could Hillary tomorrow. Of course this is a cheap attempt on their part to continue “operation chaos”, but in the subtext of it all, they expressed their discontent not with one, but with several of their candidate stances. I believe the republicans are far more divided than they would admit to be.

    Another relevant point made o Fox last night, was one made by Carl Rove, he explained how the undecided and the Latino demographics were up for grabs. He seemed dismissive of the division within his party, almost as if he thought they are just trying to bargain with not much of a choice. Could Sen. Obama hinder their strategy and be a feasible choice within republicans?

  6. Jimmyboyo says

    Rafael

    Turns out I was slightly wrong. It is even worse for McCain. He only got 80% of the vote last night.

    I forgot to mention Ron Paul and the inevitable 1-2% undecided. How people go into a voting booth wether repub or dem and vote undecided is beyond me.

    Anyway; so out of the die hard repubs that voted last night (the soft people stayed home since the nominee is picked) 20% voted for someone else besides McCain.

    He is really hurting for support it would seem.

  7. Morgan says

    Dave,

    Everyone except the Clintons knows this is over. For the good of the party, they should get out soon. I hope the superdelegates continue moving toward Obama in the coming weeks–for sure they will after he wraps up the majority of pledged delegates after Oregon.

    Clinton ran a fine campaign, but she is not going to be the nominee or the president, at least not in 2008.

    And as for the Republicans voting against McCain, that’s pretty meaningless. If you look back to ’00, people were still voting >20% for McCain in the last primaries, long after he’d dropped out. It’s a way to express disappointment in the candidate, but the Republicans will rally around McCain just as the rallied around Bush.

  8. Jimmyboyo says

    Morgan

    Maybe, but at least the few percentage points who are Ron paul people won’t.

    The other day Ron Paul did a non endorsment endorsment of Obama.

    Ron Paul is crazy on a ton of issues though on foreign policy he makes quite a bit of sense

    Anyway; after the non endorment endorsment, his biggest fans were all over the net posting Ron Paul for VP under Obama. LOL Never going to happen but they aren’t going to rally around McCain. The others, you are probably right.

  9. says

    Hillary is going to continue to flush millions and millions of dollars down the democratic toilet in her tunnel-vision-quest… at a time when those funds should be super-delegated to battling McCain and “The Others”.

    imagine what those millions could do in Louisiana, or the tornado ravaged alley… or perhaps Hillary should pay for the summer gas tax.

  10. Rafael says

    On the news: Sen. McCain is against porn! and net neutrality Hehe how are conservatives going to take this? He will leave Sen Craig with nothing to do! ummmm…

  11. Landis says

    I think Clinton will concede in a couple of days. She has made her point, and I think it bodes better for her if she wants to have a second run in 2012.

    Jimmy boy – I have made 2 bets that McCain is going to win this. McCain is a weak candidate now, but Americans will again respond to Republican’s message when the real fight begins.

  12. PDX Guy says

    Well, apparently she has loaned her campaign over $6 million and will “carry on”. One of her commercials just ran here in Oregon. I know it was probably scheduled in advance, but there goes more potential funds down the drain.

    After 8 years of similar obnoxious arrogance in the White House, I will never vote for someone who shows that personality trait.

    She has now lost my vote forever because of this attitude.

  13. John says

    Frankly, it was over for Hillary the moment Pelosi and Dean started to openly back Obama. It was clear that the superdelegates would drift to Obama when that happened. Members of the House and DNC makeup the lion’s share of the superdelegates.

    However, since the establishment of the Democratic Party basically betrayed her, I think she had every right to make the case that she still has a lot of supporters in Middle America. After all, it was Bill Clinton who screwed the liberals over in the 1990s rather than her. And before Obama really came onto the scene in Iowa, these were the same sychophants who whispered ” Madame President” in her ear for years and years.

    Now that Hillary has made that case pretty convincingly though (winning TX, OH, PA, and IN while being outspent 3 to 1), it is time for her to ***CONCEDE***.

    She has preserved her honor. That’s no shame in admitting defeat at this point.

  14. Landis says

    Sean:

    They tacitly backed Obama.

    1) They say delegates need to vote with the “will of the people”
    2) They say delegates need to make up mind now (in March, when Hill was in the gutter), rather than later.

  15. John says

    Sean,

    Are you kidding (or are you really that naive).

    You really think it was a coincidence Pelosi and Dean came out and said “this should be over soon” (while outright rejecting Hillary’s proposal to redo MI and FL) one-day after Obama’s crushing victories in the Virginia, DC, and Maryland primaries?

    You think it was a coincidence that Pelosi’s top aide and confidante, Rep. George Miller, backed Obama? Or that her relationship with CDP Hillary supporters like Mayor Gavin Newsom and Sen. Diane Fienstein have became ever more cool lately? Gavin and Diane pretty much ignored her wishes during the whole Olympic Torch / Tibet debacle.

    You really think it’s a coincidence the Clintons’ de-facto spokesman James Carville called Dean “incompetent” after the latter refused to layout a plan for dealing with MI and FL, telling Clinton’s people that Obama would have to agree to any new primary (which Obama, of course, flatly refused to consider).

    You really think it was a coincidence that Pelosi and Dean both downplayed Hillary’s OH and TX comeback by stating in no uncertain terms that they expect the superdelegates to back “the person with the most pledged delegates”?

    We all know which person they’re referring to. And it isn’t Santa Claus.

    Seems pretty obvious to me what’s going on. And I’m sure it’s obvious to the members of the DNC and Congress too. Short of an outright endorsement — which would be a gross breach of protocol because they’re serving as the convention chairs — it doesn’t get more transparent than that.

  16. says

    Hillary should quit now. She cannot win without convincing the superdelegates to over turn the pledged delegate count. And that would, in my opinion, ruin the party and throw the election to McCain, no contest. It could happen, although I don’t think the superdelegates are that stupid. And about Texas, she did not win there either. This contest is about pledged delegates and the way it worked out, Hillary got 95 pledged delegates, Barack got 98. So will everyone please stop saying Hillary won Texas. It did not happen.

  17. John says

    TroyTooner,

    I sincerely hope you weren’t one of those people who claimed George W. Bush lost in 2000. Because your argument for Texas is PRESCISELY the same argument Bush used against Gore in the presidential election.

  18. kansastock says

    If I might interject (while Sean is on the floor laughing )… John, the ‘definition’ of openly, please? Did you and Bill go to the same Grammer School in Hope?

  19. 24play says

    Wait, Florida’ presidential election in 2000 included both a popular vote and a caucus, with electoral votes selected in each? That’s news to me.

  20. John says

    It’s spelled “grammar” BTW.

    I’m glad to see the Kansas school system has lived upto its reputation. Bill Maher had a new rule about that once.

    By the way, one of the definitions of “open” is:

    – exposed to general view or knowledge

    I would submit that it is the general view of most media outlets and political pundits that Pelosi / Dean backs Obama.

  21. CHURCHILL-Y says

    Michigan and Florida must be counted. If the Super delegates think they are going to go over the will of the people without paying the consequences then they have another thing coming. I like many others will never cast a vote for HUSSEIN OBAMA, he is just not viable in important states like Penn, Ohio and Florida.

  22. says

    The presidential election of 2000 is not the Democratic primary of 2008. Hillary agreed with everyone in the beginning of this primary saying that this race is all about who gets the most delegates. Delegates, delegates, delegates. When that wasn’t working out for her, it became about the popular vote. Now she’s saying it’s about electability. Somehow convincing the supers to overturn the majority of the pledged delegate count because she’s more electable. Her campaign this morning said North Carolina doesn’t REALLY count because she won most of the white vote there and of course he wons the blacks and the liberals. So now it’s all about the uneducated white vote? Uneducated white voters are the only ones who count now. She keeps wanting to change the rules in the middle of the game! I hate the electoral college but that’s the rules. Rules is the rules. You can’t go around saying well, if you counted this way or that way, I’d win. “If you count, as I do…” or “If we were Republicans, I’d have the nomination…” Doesn’t work that way. And yea, John, Al Gore was robbed. Duh. He won Florida. Don’t talk down to me like I’m stupid.

  23. Jimmyboyo says

    Landis, I look foreowrd to winning the bet. :-)

    24- play LOL on the inagural dress thing.

    Churchill-Y Don’t worry. Like I mentioned earlier, Howard FEIN mentioned last night that Obama is now willing to sit down and discuss sitting both FL and Michigan. The numbers are such that no compromise and a full seating as is in Hillary’s favor still leaves Obama in the lead of pledged delegates and popular vote numbers. FL and MICH will be sat.

  24. 24play says

    John,

    With all due respect, the outcome of the 2000 election was litigated because Gore believed he had actually received more votes in Florida and, therefore, had won the election by winning the electoral vote nationwide.

    Unlike some Democratic candidates, Gore accepted the electoral system for what it was and made his arguments to the Supreme Court within that framework. He didn’t try to undermine the whole system simply because it wasn’t yielding the result he desired.

  25. David says

    24: You’re right that Gore thought he won more votes in FL thus more delegates. What Hillary is saying, however, that the popular vote should count more than the delegates. Does she have a point? Maybe. But it’s not the way the game is played. Call it unfair, call it crazy but if you want to change it, you have to wait until the next cycle.

    John: How many people said Sen. Obama was not a viable candidate when this thing started. I would not look at polls at this point — it’s still looked at as a 3 person race.

    What I believe is going to happen is that she will campaign through the KY/OR primaries in May, after winning WV. Once she has won KY and WV and he’s won OR, she’ll concede.

    This whole “will of the people” thing is a charade. Right now there are more outstanding superdelegates than elected delegates. This means that the party officials will be deciding this thing, NOT the voters.

    And, once and for all, the pundit’s name is Howard Fineman.

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