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Assistant Chief: San Diego Firefighters Required 'Critical-Incident Stress Debriefing' After Gay Pride Parade

Oh, please.

Jarman_carleFire Chief Tracy Jarman and Assistant Chief Jeff Carle, who marched in the San Diego Gay Pride parade with the four firefighters who are suing the city because they say they were "harassed" while marching, testified yesterday in the case.

Said Carle: "They were pretty upset. And it got to the point where they asked for some help."

The San Diego Union Tribune reports: "That night, the four requested critical-incident stress debriefing, or the same type of emergency counseling offered to firefighters dealing with on-the-job casualties and other grief, Jarman testified. Carle met with the four during their next shift. They told him they wanted a policy drafted to protect firefighters from having to attend gay pride parades against their will. Less than two weeks later, on Aug. 1, the four met with Carle, Jarman and Javier Mainar, the department's other assistant chief. Carle testified that Mainar told the four they were acting like hypocrites, and said he doubted they would have similar issues if women – not men – were making the catcalls. Jarman told jurors: 'I assured them what happened to them wouldn't happen again.'"

Here's what they're complaining about: "The four men say they suffered emotional distress because of what they saw and heard: cat calls, simulated sex acts among men wearing nothing but briefs, and lewd comments and gestures."

Imho, their homophobia may make them unfit to serve. If they needed counseling for post-traumatic stress disorder from seeing the same kind of hetero-nonsense gay people have to observe on an average trip to Las Vegas, there's something intrinsically wrong here.

The city's firefighters have participated in the parade for the last 15 years without incident.

Fire chief recounts gay pride parade [san diego union tribune]

Previously
San Diego Firefighter Gay 'Harassment' Trial Begins [tr]
San Diego Firefighters Claim Threats After Gay Pride Complaint [tr]
San Diego Firefighters Sue Dept for Gay Pride Sexual Harassment [tr]

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  1. Jeremy you need to re register. The democrats stand for caring and compassion for the lesser among us. Bringing frivolous lawsuits shows no compassion, and these firefighters should be required to get to know the public they are serving. We pay their salary. As gross as chaps and nipple clamps are, there was nothing illegal about the flirty behavior.
    This is Alliance Defense bullshit, christofascists shoving straight sex in our faces and saying "eat pussy" Well forget it, and get over it!!

    Posted by: Tyler | Sep 19, 2008 1:18:26 PM


  2. Okay, I sympathized with the firemen up until the briefing, then it just became ridiculous. Seriously, comparing losing a friend or a limb to a fire compared to being cat-called by a few drunk queens is honestly insulting. I still don't think they should've been forced to attend, who wants to see people at pride who don't want to be there? But now I also think these dudes just need to grow a pair and lighten up

    Posted by: Pekemo | Sep 19, 2008 1:29:16 PM


  3. Yeah, the bit about punitive damages is going too far. I agree there.

    I just wanted to call out all the people--the ones who get so up in arms when *our* civil rights are violated--who seem to think that sexually harrassing straight men is funny. And yes, since they were there as part of their work obligations, it amounts to work-related sexual harrassment. Civil liberties work both ways.

    Posted by: Jeremy | Sep 19, 2008 1:57:21 PM


  4. I don't hate myself David. Yeah I'm a big ol fag and everyone knows it because i'm out. I don't hide being gay. When did not liking something "gay" equate to being self loathing. The gay pride parade doesn't ruin my day. I just don't go to it. I have no problem with Pride existing. Go to it, have fun, do whatever it is you do there. I'm just not into. Just like i'm not into old ass trolls who do a lot of E! True Hollywood story specials. :)

    Posted by: Matt | Sep 19, 2008 1:58:12 PM


  5. You know, if a white firefighter didn't want to participate in an African American parade of some sort, he'd be fired. They are required to serve everyone. And the stress counseling is obviously bogus. This is a political statement.

    Posted by: David T | Sep 19, 2008 2:52:21 PM


  6. Bear in mind that the firefighters were driving a firetruck with its windows ROLLED UP. If they heard any catcalls, it's because they had their ears pressed against the windows. They're trying to get money, plain and simple. If they saw sights they didn't care for, they could have looked away. I can't believe anyone is defending people who are supposed to be able to respond to any type of emergency, but can't deal with a frigging parade.

    Seeing the public and showing the firetrucks IS part of their job. These guys are a bunch of pathetic wimps.

    Posted by: Paul R | Sep 19, 2008 3:34:17 PM


  7. First of all, that Tracy is clearly a huge lesbo. You can't tell me that was her first pride parade!!!

    Posted by: carl | Sep 19, 2008 5:48:07 PM


  8. Ok lets have a look down the orifice of this topic...perhaps we can shed some light on the nether regions being discussed here. Fire Fighters come in straight and gay...mixed gender...up down sideways and all colours of the rainbow...so .. that makes them human...oh oh...toucy feely kinda guys...no no... yep..that makes them human...As humans they in their gender choose to serve. They are then given no option when an alarm bell goes off...(no pun intended although when you think about it...) They give no moral judgment to the work they must do....now..about P.R. Public Relations...oh that is what we often refer to in the service as "A Gig"...something to project the image out into the community...like say Fire Prevention Week or....Sparky the Fire Dog. Then we are trying to educate the public about our work and prevention and education is the key component of what it is we are doing....now...the brainless person who ordered the appearance of firefighters in the parade on a p.r. gig without first asking if they objected to the venue is.... the person who needs to be looked at. I am sure that department has a gay community and it is active. Newsflash folks yes we have an active firefighterveteran gay community lets not blush now......so why were those people not asked to go in it out of the closet. As far as post traumatic stress over the event...gee...well..get educated. One does get ptsd after a wounding or trigger event. If these men were wounded or triggered over the event then they need to get professional help. CISM and CISD is not considered professional help at all...it is considered to be psydo science at best ie debriefing ooops another trigger event word...would do nothing except tell them what to look for in the signs and symptoms. Unless they had professional help from a properly liscensed psych type then they do not meet the test or bench mark or the resonable man test (again no pun intended)....They need to man up here. If they truly were traumatized lets have the psych report in detail presented. There is no psych report. Just a here we go again fellows ... a debiref....and that is not in any way shape or form a proper clinical diagnosis of post traumatic stress.....get the education about ptsd in the fire services from the web site located at firefighterveteran.com

    The American Psychological Association defines ptsd as....in DSMIV tr (diagnostic and statistical manual number 4 text revision....as...an emotional reaction to a traumatic event....the topic is subjective to the injured people in their head space...do you folks get that...oh..forgot..some of you men are gay not straight and as such some days you can really get bit**y with straights who do not want to climb on board for the ride...well...you have my thoughts and that is enough for now...man up if you want and get the information about stress in the fire service....epsecially what ptsd is and what CISM and CISM D is not.


    Give me an email if you want more information but....a debirefing in Critical Incident Stress Management or otherwise is NOT PTSD Diagnosed...never will be never has been...sign me...

    EX IAFF 26 year career with IAFF

    Shannon H. Pennington ptsd firefighterveteran
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    email: firefighterveteran@hotmail.com

    Posted by: Shannon H. Pennington | Sep 19, 2008 10:17:38 PM


  9. Thanks for taking the time to post and clarify things most of us know nothing about--not that that keeps us from weighing in.

    Posted by: Cool Bear | Sep 19, 2008 11:16:19 PM


  10. OK, once more, if it had been attractive women doing the catcalls, the men who've been basking in the glory, loving it.

    But since it was gay men, they feel violated and what not. This is nothing else but homophobia. Not liking it is not homophobia. To be "traumatized" by it is.

    Posted by: Philip Wester | Sep 20, 2008 5:42:31 AM


  11. "Rescue Me" has repeatedly shown in a fictional format what nearly everyone understands about most fire departments - with few exceptions, they are misogynistic, homophobic, racist men who don't tolerate any religious beliefs (including belief in no religion) other than their own particular sect. It's not just a US phenomenon - a real news story from a suburb of Vancouver, B.C. http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2006/09/22/bc-firefighters-ready.html.

    And what would the men of Rescue Me call someone who claims to need post-traumatic stress counselling? Pansy!

    Posted by: CANChuckle | Sep 20, 2008 7:12:20 PM


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