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Senator Joe Biden and Governor Sarah Palin Debate in St. Louis


Vice-presidential candidates Senator Joe Biden and Governor Sarah Palin exchanged opinions in the only debate they'll have at Washington University in St. Louis tonight. Here are some initial notes. I'll be adding to this.

road.jpg Debate transcript.
road.jpg CNN poll on who did best: Biden 51%, Palin 36% (video)
road.jpg CBS Poll: More uncommitted voters saw Biden as winner. "Forty-six percent of the uncommitted voters surveyed say Democrat Joe Biden won the debate, compared to 21 percent for Republican Sarah Palin. Thirty-three percent said it was a tie." (video)

road.jpg W in a skirt: Here's a side-by-side comparison of Bush in 2000 and Palin last night.
road.jpg Biden on Dick Cheney: "Vice President Cheney has been the most dangerous vice president we've had probably in American history. The idea he doesn't realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that's the Executive Branch...The only authority the vice president has from the legislative standpoint is the vote, only when there is a tie vote. He has no authority relative to the Congress. The idea he's part of the Legislative Branch is a bizarre notion invented by Cheney to aggrandize the power of a unitary executive and look where it has gotten us. It has been very dangerous."
road.jpg Strange moment where Palin refuses to answer a question on campaign promises.
road.jpg Won't defend McCain on deregulation.
road.jpg Biden: McCain 'out of touch' on economy.
road.jpg Palin's biggest lie of the night, and her Katie Couric moment.

Two of Biden's best moments, on the difference between Obama's and McCain's policies on everything, and on his Achilles heel:

Palin sees her support dive when attacking Biden on Iraq. She also gets the Army Commander in Afghanistan's name wrong. It's David D. McKiernan:

Biden slams the "maverick" label and calls McCain's health care plan the real "bridge to nowhere".

road.jpg Ex-Bush officials: Biden won the night.
road.jpg Former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright: "Americans could not help but conclude that any president would be stronger and more confident with Joe Biden by his side."
road.jpg WSJ Washington Wire: "A confident, folksy Sarah Palin attacked the Democratic presidential ticket on taxes and partisanship, holding her own against her senior vice-presidential rival. Joe Biden, assiduously avoiding any direct attacks on his opponent, kept his focus trained on the top of the ticket, charging again and again that Palin’s partner, John McCain, wants to give tax breaks to the rich and deregulate the economy."
road.jpg L.A. Times Noam Levey: "Sarah Palin may have helped herself in debate, but not McCain."
road.jpg Marc Ambinder: "Averaging expectations, style and points, it was a wash. Partisans have reason to be satisfied; I honestly have no idea how undecided voters will react. But the topline here is that, when it comes to worrying about Palin, the McCain campaign can now exhale ..."
road.jpg Andrew Sullivan: "She doesn't have it. Maybe one day she might. But not now. Biden's peroration was very, very strong. There is no contest here."
road.jpg AmericaBlog: Sarah Palin's 18 lies.
road.jpg Shrum: "McCain lost the VP debate too..."
road.jpg WaPo's Eugene Robinson: "The pattern, so far, has been one of Biden presenting facts and Palin countering with… saying stuff."
road.jpg CNN's Bill Schneider: "Palin's answers do not lack confidence, they lack coherence."
road.jpg Chicago Sun-Times: Palin survives, and Biden thrives...
road.jpg Do Americans want a vice president who winks at them?

Rachel Maddow and Pat Buchanan discuss the debate's ultimate impact, AFTER THE JUMP...

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  1. The Queen


    Time to change your meds :-) Anyway, the focus groups and polls all show (excluding FOX, they caught onto not stacking the deck is bad for mccain) indies think biden won 2-1, that palin is not qualified to be president, and that palin is not qualified to even be VP.

    CNN focus group of indies/undecideds even were asked who is going to win the election. They overwhelmingly said Obama/ Biden.


    "can someone please tell me why all homosexuals are so fucking liberal???"

    Derrick From Philly gave 1 part of the answer. (scroll up and read his post if you haven't already)

    The other is that being gay for most people in a hetero society helps one to empathize with your fellow man. Thinking about your fellow man automatically turns one against conservatism which is selfish and hateful of others

    Posted by: Jimmyboyo | Oct 3, 2008 1:44:30 PM

  2. I can tell you what Obama Biden believe; I have no clue what McCain Palin believe. Last night she gave 90 minutes of empty sound bytes.

    Did anyone else notice how she gives the weird "perky" insults? Biden's wife would be rewarded in heaven. Biden's joke fell flat. And she kept calling Obama by his first name "Barack said..." I dont believe she once called him Senator.

    It seemed like she read Machiavelli's Debating for Dummies and pulled out all the shtick. I just hope America is not buying it.

    Posted by: James | Oct 3, 2008 3:04:38 PM

  3. Pat Buchanon has SUCH A BONER for Sarah Palin. The dirty old man is practically drooling all over himself.

    Posted by: Dan | Oct 3, 2008 3:50:00 PM

  4. I am so sick of all my gay New York City friends confusing what they feel for what the rest of the country feels. Yes, we all think Biden won the debate and Palin looked like a moron. But thats basically irrelevant--because we werent voting for McCain even before she was added to the ticket. There are millions of Americans who are charmed by her inane "gosh-darn" patter. You see through it. I see through it. But Joe Six-Pack doesnt. So saying that this Washington Post article or that Andrew Sulivan blog post points out what a moron she is has no bearing, because the undecided--or the great unwashed, as i call them,--dont read those outlets. As much as it disgusts me, she's connecting with many, many people. She shares more in common with most Americans than anyone reading this post.

    Posted by: dizzyspins | Oct 4, 2008 5:14:35 AM

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