Dan Savage Talks Race and Prop 8 with D.L. Hughley
Dan Savage appeared on D.L. Hughley's show over the weekend to discuss race, the Prop 8 vote, and the civil rights movement. Watch it, AFTER THE JUMP...
Posted Nov. 18,2008 at 2:30 PM EST by Andy Towle in California, D.L. Hughley, Dan Savage, Gay Marriage, News, Proposition 8 | Permalink
During Comic Relief for New Orleans D.L. made it a point of slamming gays. Saying it was a false comparison of 200 years of slavery versus taking it up the ass. No mention of lesbians ever in his gay bashing probably because he doesn’t get sexually excited by the thought of 2 females getting it on. He's living in NYC now girls go get him.
Posted by: ggreen | Nov 18, 2008 5:13:43 PM
PS D.L. is the new Slappy White.
Posted by: ggreen | Nov 18, 2008 5:16:29 PM
The real problem with Pierre's comment is that like the GOP this term he doesn't really get it. This country is demographically changing. We want to start talking to black and Latino communities because they are the face of this country in less than a few decades. If we do not wish to keep having these fights over and over again- we need to be reaching out to that future. Pierre's mentality is what has made the GOP the party of just the South. We need to reach out as a community as the Democrats did as a party because that ultimately will place us as a part of a broader ruling coalition of just white folk. That's why, in terms of hardnosed politics, you do not want just some white gay guys representing gay folks. As I said, the simple fact is that DL would not have pull that stuff with a black person. My first thought process was I would have said so like Solomon , DL you want to split the baby? You want to say because black folk had all their limbs cut off, that it's okay that gay folks just hand their arguments cut off? I could get away that. Dan can't. That's the whole entire political point. That the lack of diversity in the gay white leadership of the movement prevents reaching out because of the very real race dynamics. We may not affect things in the short term with this, but its crucial in the long term.
Posted by: The Gay Numbers | Nov 18, 2008 5:18:59 PM
Derrick:
"they just don't get invited."
Yes, but who does?? D.L is obv CLUELESS but he has self promoted in the crudest way to get the gig...which is as we know the ONLY way you can further yourself in the 'media arena'..
I wish Boykin would've pushed for this but he's gone quite after his new site...
:(
Posted by: Rowan | Nov 18, 2008 5:21:20 PM
Typo:
This:
"You want to say because black folk had all their limbs cut off, that it's okay that gay folks just hand their arguments cut off? "
Should read like this:
"You want to say because black folk have had all our limbs cut off in the past, that means it okay, my other community, gays to have our arms cut off?" I didn't no it was about keeping over which half of the baby to cut.
Posted by: The Gay Numbers | Nov 18, 2008 5:23:11 PM
D.L. Hughley's comment at the end of the segment, "...as a Black man, I can tell you that you've gotta march a little bit longer," was just plain ignorant. Fact is that Gays and Lesbians have been marching for GLB rights since the 60's. I personally marched on Washington, D.C. in 1979.
Posted by: Jeff | Nov 18, 2008 5:27:13 PM
BTW, post authors' names are listed BELOW the posts, not above. Various people have mistakenly quoted others, including myself and Pierre it seems.
Just a fyi.
Posted by: Wes | Nov 18, 2008 5:29:02 PM
Although irrelevant, DL's point about length of struggle is correct just in terms of when African Americans started to fight. Remember that's been a process of several hundred years. Not decades. But it's irrelevant because no one should put up with unnecessary suffering.
Posted by: The Gay Numbers | Nov 18, 2008 5:44:40 PM
Thanks, Wes, for the "posting order" clarification. Now, it all makes sense...
Posted by: asa1973 | Nov 18, 2008 6:08:40 PM
Prop 8 passed because of the so called “Gay Community”
The same GC that ALLOWS so called gay & lesbian bars & nightclubs to double and triple card minorities. The same GC’s newspapers and magazines ignore complaints and are uninterested; I guess Brittany Spears is more important.
As long as this is allowed we will NEVER have a true community. Allowing BAD gays & lesbians to cut off our arms hurt us all. We did witness what happens when Billy is double carded. He tells his grandmother, she tells her church. These are just two of the many reasons why AfrAm’s voted YES.
Back in the olden days, long before Stonewall. Gays and lesbians did not have bars. The only safe places to dance were AfrAm nightclubs. “Oh we have our own bars and nightclubs now, we don’t need those people anymore” I guess people do not care to be kicked aside. I imagine many do not like the fact that gays & lesbians have the nerve to practice racism, except at election time.
I know a lot of Gays & lesbians and their families who votes YES!
Oh, we will all come together just in time to march together to our new concentration camps. United we stand, divided THEY WIN!
Boycott any bar and nightclub that double and triple card. If their establishment is not for the whole community. Then it should not be supported by any of the community.
Which establishments do you support?
Posted by: James | Nov 18, 2008 6:09:02 PM
BOBBO: The point I was trying to make is that it is naive to ASSUME that just because you belong to a racial minority group that you will AUTOMATICALLY be well informed and empathetic about the gay community. Particularly because the public face of the gay community is WHITE. Case in point Dan Savage (he should've invited Wanda Sykes). I think we need to push for more diversity in the media. We need to represent gay people of color and show those communities that we do exist and we are part of both the gay community and a community of color.
Posted by: shoepins | Nov 18, 2008 6:11:27 PM
Am I the only one who didn't know D.L. Hughley even had a show?? Not that I would watch it or anything. Give me Chelsea Lately any night of the week (which happily, E! already does!!)
Posted by: Phil M. | Nov 18, 2008 6:41:10 PM
Let's see how this sounds...
I'm not racist but I don't "condone" the Black lifestyle.
Because, you know, it's all thugs, hos, single parents, drive-bys and ghetto bullshit. And they do so many things God hates and the Bible says is wrong.
Posted by: Mark | Nov 18, 2008 6:48:16 PM
DL Hughley's show will be gone before too long. Not because of his veiws, but because he's not especially funny and he always seems so self-conscious. After seeing this interview, he's evidently not to smart either.
Posted by: Peridolius | Nov 18, 2008 6:52:59 PM
Lame Mark, you sound like Savage with that nonsense and sterotypes, bey, hey, then again, maybe that's how ya really feel. Savage is wrong and Hugley is a bad, lame joke that anyone with a clue would have skipped a "chat" with.
Posted by: Jon | Nov 18, 2008 6:58:13 PM
I guess Black people don't care what the widow of Martin Luther King Jr. called gay marriage a civil rights issue, denouncing a proposed constitutional amendment that would ban it.
Constitutional amendments should be used to expand freedom, not restrict it, Coretta Scott King said Tuesday.
"Gay and lesbian people have families, and their families should have legal protection, whether by marriage or civil union," she said. "A constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages is a form of gay bashing and it would do nothing at all to protect traditional marriages."
Quoted from USA Today 3/24/2004
Smart people can see the irony in that AA voted for Barack but then voted down gay people's rights... and dumb people cannot, they cannot see irony in the first place which is the test for smarts (can you see the forest for the trees?).
Posted by: Alan | Nov 18, 2008 7:14:30 PM
More "out reach", yeah yeah blame the victim. Next time we'll tell the rape victim to yell louder, fight harder, scream more, and dress modestly. Blaming the victim, sure is the way to go.
Posted by: Sargon Bighorn | Nov 18, 2008 7:33:18 PM
Hughley somehow thinks that black people are the only group of people killed in the past? HELLO. Hughley keeps trying to inply that gay equality boils down to just gay marriage and cannot be compared to the civil rights movement of blacks. Um, actually DADT, Employment Discrimination (were not asking for affirmative action either, were not asking to create our own voting districts just non-discrimination), Hate Crimes, the list goes on of how much we are oppressed.
Hughley should read a book. How did he get on CNN again?
Posted by: Drewboo | Nov 18, 2008 7:34:11 PM
"Gay lifestyle"??? He doesn't "condone" the "gay lifestyle"??? What does that mean??? And who says that kind of stuff, in 2008?
Dumb.
Posted by: Derek | Nov 18, 2008 7:37:56 PM
i don't condone ignorant people getting talk shows, yet this knucklehead and Sherry Shepard are there.
why is this so hard to understand. no one gives a rat's ass what your religious beliefs are. as americans, we are ALL endowed by YOUR creator with certain unalienable rights. WE hold these truths to be self-evident ... all men (and women) are created equal. not only straight, religious, black men or white men. among the rights we should not be denied are Life, Liberty, and the most beautifully sublime part -- the pursuit of Happiness!
it was not for nothing that the founding fathers were products of the Enlightenment. just imagine the abstract nature of the concept of "the pursuit of happiness". men 200+ yrs ago ideated about and aspired to a more perfect union. i am not glorifying the white men of the revolution, but they imagined a more perfect future.
i am dismayed that black people would arrive in droves to take away civil rights from others. if we as gay people question why whites and asians voted more than 50% to approve gay marriage and a little bit less of 1/2 of latinos, who are preponderantly catholic and threatened by excommunication, voted to give equal rights to gay people, is it racist to ask why 2/3 of blacks voted against civil rights? give me a fucking break. the proof of the pudding is in the taste. and this pudding tastes mighty raw. i am sick and tired of gay black men offering lame apologias for black bigots, as if being black inoculates one of being a bigot, religious or otherwise.
there is a time for soul-searching, but the time for soul-searching is within the black community. i do not abide black bigotry on the pretext of civil rights. the fall back position of nitwit blacks is "we are religious", therefore we can be understood when we express our bigotry in terms of our religion. that is pure, steamy bullsh*t. when we have a black president and a black atty gen, isn't it time to let the victimology go?
is it racist to say let's call a spade a spade? or is it just a figure of speech? either way, we cannot keep killing the messenger. get real.
Posted by: nic | Nov 18, 2008 7:39:39 PM
LMAO!!! Good one Mark.
I don't want the gay civil rights movement compared to the black civil rights movement. It offends me. The gay civil rights movement is a global movement. It's unique. Gay people have to discover their identity. An identity that was denied to them for millenia. Gay people almost always are raised by heterosexual parents. Gay people are raised in a largely heterosexual environment, in a heterosexual populated world. Finding other gay people and organizing is more difficult.
Posted by: Bill | Nov 18, 2008 7:57:57 PM
Wow, again the old CNN exit poll argument is back as new one. And a few come out as racists.
Posted by: Chris | Nov 18, 2008 7:58:33 PM
@Alan,
I have often thought it strange that african slaves abondoned their ancestral religions and turned to the very religion that was used to oppress them and condone slavery.
Posted by: Paul | Nov 18, 2008 8:00:17 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but the gay rights movement started sometime before the bible was written. That's why we got mentioned in it. (you know.....those verses the conservative christians, baptists, mormons, etc. love to quote to make their points.) That's a few thousand years worth of discrimination we've suffered, not just a few hundred.
There are countries in this world TODAY where it is illegal to be gay and you can be executed or at the very least locked up for the rest of your life. So who has the bigger civil rights cause now?
FYI....I am not a racist. I understand every segment of the population must take some blame for the passage of marriage bans, no matter what the color of your skin is. However, I was just deeply hurt that a minority group, who so recently themselves were subjected to intolerance, showed us the least tolerance.
Sorry if I come off like a bitch. I'm just mad.
Posted by: angrywhitegay | Nov 18, 2008 8:10:59 PM
Hughley can kiss my lily white ass. There wasn't one intelligent word come out of his mouth in that whole segment. Black people don't have an exclusive on civil rights.
This is so fucked up. We can't even express a very justified anger at the black community without being called racist. That's just too fucked up for words, as if the black community is above reproach.
I'm not buying it.
Posted by: Tom Clark | Nov 18, 2008 8:45:44 PM