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Prop 8 Protest in New York City

N57450719688_1929Peaceful demonstration Wednesday night, November 12, 6:30 pm, New York Manhattan Mormon Temple, 125 Columbus Ave at 65th Street, New York, NY:

"Tens of thousands of our brothers and sisters are in the streets in California and Salt Lake City and around the country protesting the votes banning same-sex marriage in California. Join them! Make your voices heard right here in New York City. We will tell the Mormon Church how we feel about its relentless campaign to condemn and control our lives. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was, by far, the biggest financer of California's heinous and hateful Proposition 8. The Mormon Church begged their members to donate money to Prop 8, pouring 20 million dollars into the campaign. And their attacks on us didn't start there and aren't about to end. They're plotting right now to bring their money and influence to bear against the LGBT community everywhere in this country, including trying to prevent marriage equality in New York."

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  1. Stand Up! Fight Back!
    The victory at the polls by opponents of civil rights for LGBT people will not stand. From Stonewall to full equality, our movement is growing as millions say “yes” to marriage equality. With greater unity and greater determination, the fight must and will go on. Victory is certain.

    No to bigotry and homophobia! No to sexism! No to racism! Equal marriage rights now

    Protest at Mormon Temple in La Jolla
    Sunday, November 9th
    11 AM
    7474 Charmant Drive
    San Diego, CA 92122

    Posted by: NoMoreMrNiceGay | Nov 9, 2008 12:55:40 AM


  2. Is there reallya protest scheduled at the Mormon Church? In Lajolla this sunday?

    Posted by: Rick | Nov 9, 2008 2:42:37 AM


  3. Thank you New York! Please show up! You need not carry a sign, or wear a ts-hirt. or chant, just SHOW UP!!! It is NUMBERS we need
    I heard a theory on the radio yesterday that this is all about MITT ROMNEY. That the Mormons realizing that they are still thought of as a weird cult & wishing to be so mainstream that they elect one of their members President, have aligned themselves with the Christian right to systematically oppose us. How ironic that former POLYGAMISTS are now the premiere defenders of Traditional Marriage. Let's hit them in the pocketbook! No skiing in Utah! No SUNDANCE! Let's shame them they way they have tried to shame us!

    Posted by: thegaygardener | Nov 9, 2008 2:57:05 AM


  4. While the Mormon's were the main stronghold in the push and money to support proposition 8, let's not just focus on them. Other churches need an 'awakening'.

    The passage of Proposition 8 drew the praise from the Catholic acrchdioceses in Los Angeles and Sacramento.

    Los Angeles Cardinal Roger M. Mahony called the victory an ''unprecedented coalition of many faith communities and other citizens who understood the importance of maintaining the bedrock institution of marriage as has been lived out since recorded history.''

    Bishop William Weigand, head of the Diocese in Sacramento and former Bishop of Salt Lake City said in a statement: "Catholics stand in solidarity with our Mormon brothers and sisters in support of traditional marriage -- the union of one man and one woman -- that has been the major building block of Western Civilization for millennia.''

    Posted by: CB | Nov 9, 2008 3:58:17 AM


  5. i've heard that the mormon church owns major equity in busineesses such as cvs could we not boycott their stores & businesses?

    Posted by: thonas bockrath | Nov 9, 2008 5:08:25 AM


  6. It is great to see people across the country protesting to make their feelings known on Prop 8 passage.

    However, it is disheartening to see media reports that mention LGBT voter turnout in California. If every eligible gay person in the state had voted last Tuesday, Prop 8 might well have failed.

    Posted by: voet | Nov 9, 2008 7:23:59 AM


  7. while it is true other religions contributed such as the Catholic Church, they didn't fund this effort or start a drive to get people to give up their life savings. The catholic church doesn't own a million businesses that can be boycotted. And the Moron's are like a cult. Once you are in, you are in for life.

    Posted by: paul | Nov 9, 2008 8:47:33 AM


  8. I beg to differ, lance. Duncan Lance Black, author of the screenplay for "Milk" is an ex-Mormon. And once they see the movie the Mormon certainly won't want him back.
    I also have a close straight friend who left the Mormons many years ago, despite the howls of outrage from his family.

    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Nov 9, 2008 9:06:32 AM


  9. Awesome! I'm glad something in NYC is being done. I'll be there !

    Posted by: gabriel | Nov 9, 2008 9:07:08 AM


  10. Just as important as the numbers showing up for rallies, we need to outspend them. Although I'm from the opposite side of the continent and the California vote doesn't directly affect me (yet!), I sent money to the "No on 8" folks. Did you?

    Posted by: TomJ | Nov 9, 2008 9:27:52 AM


  11. I think the best way to go after the Mormons as well as the far right religious wingnuts is to get rid of their tax exemption. My thinking is as follows:
    1. They get special tax exempt status because they are a religion.
    2. This allows them to have more $$$ to use to further their political agenda
    3. Since they aren't contributing to the treasury, my taxes are higher by some amount since they aren't paying. I am in fact subsidizing their political activities - which isn't right.

    This isn't just the Mormon's who are doing this - they have apparently however have been extremely successful in pushing the envelope on this and made it into an art form.

    The only way to get their attention on this is to hit them in the pocketbook. If what they are doing is in fact "legal" because they are taking advantage of a loophole, that needs to be identified and closed. It simply isn't right that my donations to the NO on 8 campaign aren't tax deductible, but they are able to leverage vast millions of $$$ of taxable contributions.

    It is obvious that they are using their church as a front to push their political agenda - and we do have free speech in this country so that is fine - they are entitled. What I don't believe is fine is them being able to fuel their political speech with tax exempt dollars.

    Posted by: Mike | Nov 9, 2008 10:32:03 AM


  12. @ CB,

    Yes! All churches have been hell bent on stuffing their morality down everyone's throats! The Knights of Columbus were the Catholic Church's tool in California. All churches who engage in lobbying for legislation should have their tax exempt status lost. Don't just blame the Morons. It's time to go after all the interfering, overbearing bigots who VIOLATE the FIRST AMENDMENT.

    http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p1828.pdf

    If you know of a church that has engaged in activities like the LDS and the Knights of Columbus fill out this form and fax it to FAX#(214) 413-5415:
    http://ftp.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/f13909.pdf
    You can remain anonymous by checking the box "I am concerned that I might face retaliation or retribution if my identity is disclosed.”
    An example of the one being sent in for the LDS is here: http://lds501c3.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/filled-139092.pdf

    Posted by: Wheezy | Nov 9, 2008 10:45:48 AM


  13. A whole *additional* list of protests is here, with more protests in Seattle and SF this morning.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/11/9/92335/7381/39/657962

    People power!

    Posted by: We March! | Nov 9, 2008 11:03:16 AM


  14. It's about f*ing time! Screw the ballot boxes. Screw diplomacy. Queers didn't achieve real visibility until we rioted in the streets in New York in the summer of '69. Queers didn't achieve true political power in San Francisco until we stormed city hall and overturned and burned police cars after the Honorable Harvey Milk was assassinated. And we didn't achieve real reform in AIDS policy until ACT UP brought mayhem to the streets of our biggest cities. It's now time again to DEMAND OUR RIGHTS (as Malcom X once said ) BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY! If it comes to getting hosed in the streets like the black civil rights pioneers, so be it.

    Posted by: Wren | Nov 9, 2008 11:04:41 AM


  15. Lets be peaceful. We could hurt our cause by being violent.

    Lets try peaceful marches, vigils, protests, maybe even sit ins.

    Lets emulate Jesus, Ghandi, and Martin Luther King Jr.-- peaceful resistance!!

    And lets keep it up. This is a movement and a revolution now. Grassroots. Bottom up. Never give up.


    Posted by: Josh | Nov 9, 2008 11:20:13 AM


  16. THANKS for posting this here.
    As someone who does not do facebook lets get this in other areas.

    And thanks ANDY I continue to appreciate your work organizing on this issue as well as on the issues of bias and abuse internationally. As well as the eye candy and entertainment.

    Posted by: MCnNYC | Nov 9, 2008 12:12:32 PM


  17. VOET I did not see that statistic that is amazing. But also widely reported is that 70% African American voters voted to stripe away our civil rights in CA and enshrine discrimination. FAR HIGHER than the Latino (who are also heavily influenced by the church) and the Asian population.

    Posted by: MCnNYC | Nov 9, 2008 12:20:34 PM


  18. We should bring No on Prop 8 signs to the rally in NYC so that it is clear to others where we stand and why we are there.
    Does anyone know who is organizing this rally so we can contact them?
    Thanks.

    Posted by: Lisa | Nov 9, 2008 12:36:07 PM


  19. Those "black civil rights pioneers" were hosed during peaceful protests, not rioting. Men like John Lewis weren't attacked for burning cars, Martin Luther King, Jr. wasn't arrested numerous times for destruction of property. These were the people who brought change to America, not Malcolm X and the Nation of Islam with their divisive tactics that only served to push the Civil Rights Movement backward (I'll note that Malcolm saw the light once he left the NOI).

    So, Wren, your violent ideas are completely misguided and will only serve to hurt our cause. People like you have nothing but vengeance on their minds right now and need to go chill out somewhere until you can start thinking like adults again.

    Posted by: Micah J. | Nov 9, 2008 12:36:34 PM


  20. Another blog helped explained why the Mormon Church is being targeted:

    "It seems the Mormons are now claiming they're being scapegoated and it was really the religious right's and the Catholics' fault. Sorry, but when you donate nearly 80% of the money to the anti-gay effort, and you drop in on state and state doing the same thing, dropping loads of money to promote legislative gay-bashing, then you are the problem and you are to blame."

    Posted by: FunMe | Nov 9, 2008 12:42:41 PM


  21. I'm so glad New York can help out in some way.

    For anyone on Facebook, there's a group, "1,000,000 Strong to Strip the Mormon Church of its Tax Exempt Status." They point out the following:

    From IRS Publication 1828 Page 5,

    Substantial Lobbying Activity
    IN GENERAL, NO ORGANIZATION, INCLUDING A CHURCH, MAY QUALIFY FOR IRC SECTION 501(c)(3) STATUS IF A SUBSTANTIAL PART OF ITS ACTIVITIES IS ATTEMPTING TO INFLUENCE LEGISLATION (COMMONLY KNOWN AS LOBBYING).

    There's a lot of info on the group, including a spreadsheet of Mormons (individuals and businesses) who donated over $1000 to Prop 8.

    http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=43097336387&ref=mf

    Posted by: Jackie | Nov 9, 2008 12:46:06 PM


  22. When protesting at the Mormon temple, instead of placing protest signs on any building or structure (which might get you into trouble), why don't protesters project "HATE" on the exterior of the building using a high-powered light...Batman style!

    A few years ago, protesters in Washington DC used this approach when the Corcoran Museum back out on a plan for a Mapplethorpe exhibit. The protesters projected the Mapplethorpe images on the exterior of the building!

    Posted by: VA man | Nov 9, 2008 12:53:08 PM


  23. Thank you Corey, Adam and Mike for organizing this.

    Posted by: Bading | Nov 9, 2008 4:13:00 PM


  24. this is the perfect opportunity for all the obama supporters to turn their energy towards something anew.

    Posted by: tofer david | Nov 9, 2008 5:22:45 PM


  25. so who is going to bring the high powered light?

    Posted by: tofer david | Nov 9, 2008 5:24:26 PM


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