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Vatican Opposes UN Resolution Condemning Anti-Gay Discrimination

Yesterday, it was reported that the Vatican stated its opposition to a UN declaration formally condemning discrimination against gays because doing so would pressure nations which do not recognize same-sex unions to do so. The resolution, which the Vatican claims would "de-criminalize" same-sex unions, is set to be introduced by France on December 10th at the UN General Assembly, on the 60th anniversary of the UN declaration of human rights.

BenedictThe Times reports: "Over 80 countries in the world currently outlaw same-sex relations, with punishments range from short prison sentences to life imprisonment and even death by execution. The UN declaration will not be binding, but gay rights movements hope it will lead to a UN resolution. The French minister of human rights and foreign affairs, Rama Yade, said that the EU should also 'take the lead in stopping violence against women worldwide.'"

Today, Reuters reports that the Vatican has been "attacked" for the condemnation. Once again, gays are being framed as the aggressors:

"A strongly worded editorial in Italy's mainstream La Stampa newspaper said the Vatican's reasoning was 'grotesque.' Pointing out that homosexuality was still punishable by death in some Islamic countries, the editorial said what the Vatican really feared was a 'chain reaction in favor of legally recognized homosexual unions in countries, like Italy, where there is currently no legislation.' Franco Grillini, founder and honorary president of Arcigay, Italy's leading gay rights group, said the Vatican's reasoning smacked of 'total idiocy and madness... 'The French resolution, which is supported by all 27 members of the European Union, has nothing to do with gay marriage. It is about stopping jail and the death penalty for homosexuals,' Grillini told Reuters."

In late October, the Vatican said that candidates for the Catholic priesthood should undergo psychological tests to screen out heterosexuals unable to control their sexual urges and those with strong homosexual tendencies.

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  1. Alex and Thad are clearly delusional. Any good that is done in this world is done by INDIVIDUALS within the church. Ratzinger, as pope, has no more to do with the charitable work of the church than any of us do. If you're upset by the level of rancor against the catholic church, then perhaps you should ask yourself where this comes from. It comes from decades (if not centuries) of systematic abuse and atrocities committed by the catholic church in the name of God. Until the church begins to accept my equal humanity, then they deserve not one bit of respect.

    And Ratzinger hasn't sacrificed CRAP... are you fucking kidding me? Yeah, living a life of unequaled luxury in the Vatican, controlling the pent-up lives of millions, and claiming to be the vicar of Christ on Earth. Yeah, that sounds like quite a burden.


    Posted by: The Milkman | Dec 2, 2008 3:22:06 PM

  2. Yes, there are people in the Magisterium who are anti-gay and are more than likely "bigots" but why should you judge them becuase on how they chose to live their lives according to how they want to? Why should you judge, mock, hate them because of what they believe?

    Do you prefer to be who you are, live as you live, believe as you believe and not be harassed or degraded for your thoughts? If so, why not show the same respect for the people on the opposite side of the spectrum?

    You cannot demand respect without giving it in return.

    Why should the Church give you respect if you refuse to show it in return? If the things being said were directed towards the GLBT community some of you would be livid, offended and hurt. Why not have the courtesy to be kind to those who are different than you?

    And not all members within the Church are evil or hate gays or spew some of the nonsense as some here have shown.

    Posted by: Thad | Dec 2, 2008 3:48:00 PM

  3. How can the Roman Catholic faith ever be defended? The Church only recently apologized for the Inquisition that killed millions of INNOCENT people. They continually threaten and coerce their members with excommunication and denial of sacraments while its priests still molest children. The Church has always put idolatry and the papacy ahead of Christian love and compassion.

    Posted by: ggreen | Dec 2, 2008 4:08:37 PM

  4. Thad, you refuse get it. The Church--as an organization--is anti-gay. That's it. Period. It consistently takes steps to make living life as gay people more difficult. It condemns us as "disordered," our relationships as "evil," and placing children in our homes as "violence." No, not all Catholics are bigots. The organization, however, is anti-gay to its very core. It's a hate group.

    Posted by: MAJeff | Dec 2, 2008 4:26:26 PM

  5. You can insult the Catholics if you want, but what happens your sinful ass gets possessed by a demon-who you gonna' call then? Sarah Palin and the Evangelicals? (sounds like a 60s doo wop group)

    My favorite Pope was Anthony Quinn (The Shoes of the Fisherman). I didn't like Rex Harrison (The Agony and the Ectasy)...he wasn't sexy at all--no beef.

    Posted by: Derrick from Phiily | Dec 2, 2008 4:40:02 PM

  6. Yes, they are terribly anti-gay:

    Posted by: Thad | Dec 2, 2008 4:46:24 PM

  7. Thadeus, apparently you didn't take my advice. The catholic church does NOT deserve my respect, and, quite frankly, neither do you. I can respect someones individual beliefs, but when they are institutionalized and CLEARLY harm other people they deserve more than disrespect. And seriously, you need to come up with a lot more than that silly link to try to prove that the catholic church is tolerant of gays. What bubble do you live in?

    Posted by: Mr. E | Dec 2, 2008 5:28:55 PM

  8. Thad, the example you gave was of British bishops who were working independently of the Vatican. The worldwide papal position still stands.

    Posted by: RainbowPhoenix | Dec 2, 2008 5:43:29 PM

  9. Mr. E,

    Obviously you don't respect anyone's beliefs if they are "institutionalized" becuase then you would disagree with anyone with ties to politics, religion, etc.

    How exactly does the Catholic church *clearly harm* you? For some reason the whole "sticks and stones my break my bones but words will never hurt me" comes to mind.

    And the link wasn't trying to prove that the Church is tolerant of gays but that it is taking steps in the right direction. You damn them if they do and you damn them if they don't?

    Posted by: Thad | Dec 2, 2008 5:47:37 PM

  10. RainbowPhoenix,

    I'm trying to find the document that the article is refering to. Bishops are not allowed work independently from Rome and certainly cannot issue/force anything without a nod from the Holy See.

    However, if they are doing this without getting approval from someone in the Magisterium it will quickly be fixed and made publicly known.

    Posted by: Thad | Dec 2, 2008 5:58:28 PM

  11. Thud, Obviously I'm referring to the institution of religion. Lets not take this beyond that at the moment. Are you being facetious or serious when you ask how the church has clearly harmed the homosexual community? That question alone clues me into the fact that you are a troll and clearly are neither gay nor sympathetic to our cause. So I repeat, go fuck yourself with a very sharp crucifix. :-) Good day.

    Posted by: Mr. E | Dec 2, 2008 6:37:04 PM

  12. Mr. E,

    Then you are clueless.

    Posted by: Thad | Dec 2, 2008 6:49:45 PM

  13. Thad and Alex: what kind of self-hatred (assuming you’re gay, which perhaps you’re not) drives you to defend this evil man?

    Even before Ratzinger became Pope he was responsible for the hypocritical Catholic ideology that basically acknowledges that gay people exist (a group, a minority) but refuses to allow them to express their sexuality (same-sex-attraction, which I call ASS-backwards).

    In 1986 it was he who described homosexuality as an “intrinsic evil” and an “objective disorder.” As Pope he has claimed same sex marriage is a threat to world peace.

    The Catholic Church has harmed countless gay people through lobbying against non-discrimination and against safe sex programs, killed probably millions in the AIDS epidemic. It has harmed children by refusing to place them in loving homes with same sex couples. It has also destroyed the lives of countless gay priests whose closeted and truly unnatural and objectively disordered lifestyle has led them to act out on vulnerable young men. Do you really think the abuse scandals have nothing to do with Catholic ideology?

    Take off your blinders and see the face of evil! It is Benedict XVI.

    Posted by: Kevinvt | Dec 2, 2008 7:03:43 PM

  14. Thad
    Bishops are allowed some autonomy over their jurisdictions. Since their statement was restricted to Britain, where the church has little power anyway,and gays have all the benefits of marriage, the Vatican didn't feel the need to make themselves look bad by condemning it. From what I've seen, the Vatican mostly only releases statements like this when the issue of us getting more protections comes up.

    Posted by: RainbowPhoenix | Dec 2, 2008 7:08:22 PM

  15. Thad and Alex aren't gay. They are Catholic trolls who found this story on one of their Catholic websites. Then they come here and pretend to be outraged gay people. It happens all the time. The anonymity of the web allows all kinds of concern trolls to post as outraged "gays", "Democrats", "Obama supporters", etc. We've seen it here hundreds of times.

    Posted by: Joe | Dec 2, 2008 11:06:43 PM

  16. Thad,

    RCC "clearly harms" me daily by investing time, money, and energy in advertising tough and biased opinions about minorities, pushing agendas to government officials, and in the end corrupting the secular world with governmental influence that can change laws that affect me every day.

    The RCC was a major funder of the support for a bill that passed in Ohio in 2004 that basically took every right I had away from me if I acknowledge a same-sex individual as a partner.

    This is such a generic constitutional amendment, you could almost claim something as simple as power of attorney to anyone that is not a legal spouse is unconstitutional.

    My partner is getting laid off at the end of the month. I cannot put him on my insurance plan because of this bill.

    This directly affects me. And this bill was advertised, funded, and supported directly in part by RCC as well as other religious organizations.

    I guess I should be thankful then as I haven't physically beaten by a hymnal, yet.

    Posted by: dbzeag | Dec 3, 2008 8:32:10 AM

  17. I had some respect for the Catholic Church when John Paul II was in there. At least he was concerned about Human Rights and charity.
    Its hilarious to actually see that an institution as influential as the Catholic Church actually believes it has the right to discriminate against a minority. They are indirectly killing people if they have any influence with their opposition - and I'm sure for some bible-quoted reason that Catholics will find it AOK to take violent action on people that are gay. Pope's mouth is the mouth of god for some... sigh... what a sad situation.

    Posted by: Alex | Dec 3, 2008 9:45:18 AM

  18. I love how I'm getting called straight! I never thought this day would come!!! I have been a card carrying gay for the past 8 years now; since I was 16.

    Posted by: Thad | Dec 3, 2008 10:26:03 AM

  19. You idiots need to learn some fucking history. "The Inquisition killed millions of people?" Hmm, ok...and I guess Jews have horns, too? I won't even bother telling you that the Inquisition most certainly did not kill millions of people. And anyway, no one living now was around during the Inquisition, and therefore no one who has not committed the acts themselves need apologize for them! They were committed by human beings who have been, for centuries, dead. Use your brain, people.

    The fact of the matter is that many on here just can't handle the fact that a large group of people believes homosexuality to be a disorder. You are not demanding equal rights, you are demanding for others, and entire religious systems, to accept that homosexual acts are not immoral. We are ALL for equal rights! And I happen to think the Vatican's current policy towards these rights is a bit shoddy, but then again who came blame them for thinking that these "equal rights" will mean that those who speak out against homosexual acts will be punished?

    It is the Catholic Church's right to disagree with your morality just as it is your right to disagree with the Catholic Church's moral vision. The truly intolerant ones are the ones who wish to leave no room for disagreement because, I suppose, they are so insecure that the thought of people publicly ridiculing their lifestyle is so unbearable that they will stop at nothing to crush those people's free speech. It is a sick, sad, foolish little thing which only serves to discredit the gay cause.

    Posted by: Alex | Dec 3, 2008 3:33:31 PM

  20. @Morons,

    By the way, the Spanish Inquisition wasn't controlled by the Church. The Church did not execute people, the State did. Secondly, a few thousand (as in four or five, not fifty or sixty) died, not "millions." Oh, and Protestant witch hunts in Germany resulted in a far greater number of deaths than in any state-controlled Inquisition. The fact that it happened at all is bad enough not to warrant spreading fantasies and lies.

    Posted by: Alex | Dec 3, 2008 3:37:37 PM

  21. Another one defending a Church that considers us lesser humans...and attacking us for criticizing those who would consign us to that lesser status on the basis of their hate-filled "morality."

    And, because it is us criticizing, and our opponents actively working to take rights away from us, to ensure we don't receive rights, and to make our lives more difficult, we are the intolerant bigots.

    Posted by: MAJeff | Dec 3, 2008 3:43:39 PM

  22. The Church does not consider gays to be lesser humans! And the Church is not attacking you. The Church is only trying to make sure that political institutions do not force the Church to do anything it believes in something it doesn't.

    Posted by: Thad | Dec 3, 2008 5:47:18 PM

  23. Majeff, you are really, really thickheaded, aren't you. This is like pulling fucking teeth. Damn.

    The Church does not think active homosexuals are lesser humans. You and I both know that the Church doesn't believe that someone is "more human" than someone else. All the Church is saying, whether we disagree or not, is that homosexual activities, like heterosexual activities outside of marriage (or inside a marriage without being open to the possibility of procreation), are against God's intent and therefore sinful. And the last I heard, the Church considers every last one of us sinners, with the exception of Jesus Christ and His Mother.

    Equating "We do not believe that homosexual acts are morally acceptable" with "We think you are less of a human than all other sinners because you commit morally unacceptable acts" is intellectual deceit of the highest and most despicable order.

    Unless you are as stupid as it seems, you should be ashamed.

    Posted by: Alex | Dec 3, 2008 7:06:22 PM

  24. Thad, please provide your card number so that I may verify. If you really do like cock, than why such a catholic apologist? Are you catholic? If so, then how do you reconcile what the church says with the fact that you may take cock up the ass?

    And Alex, I could give a flying fuck about what the church actually believes. But I do care about their actions that continue to harm people who do not believe the way they do.

    Posted by: Mr. E | Dec 3, 2008 8:10:04 PM

  25. I'm sorry, Alex, the "intellectual deceit of the highest and most despicable order" is trying to twist the Catholic "love the sinner, hate the sin" into something positive.

    My gayness, and I would wager that of 99% of the card carrying gay men on this blog, is not a behavior or an activity or a lifestyle. It is an identity. We were gay even before we had gay sex and even when we're not having gay sex. Many of us were gay well before puberty.

    The official Catholic ideology, hatefully formulated by Benedict when he was Ratzinger, makes a whole class of people lesser in that they cannot love without sinning, while straight people are free to marry. Furthermore, the Catholic Church fighting against marriage doubles that error by making it impossible for them to love within marriage, which is the only kind of love they approve of.

    They do not love us. They do not love us because we love. They hate us because we love, and you have bought their ideology.

    Feel free to remain celibate and consider your own nature "objectively evil" and "disordered" -- and you're telling me that doesn't make you a "lesser" human being? Please!

    Posted by: Kevinvt | Dec 3, 2008 8:59:18 PM

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