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Fmr Military Leaders Powell and Alexander on 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

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Rachel Maddow interviewed former General Colin Powell and Andrea Mitchell interviewed Former Secretary of the Army Clifford Alexander about repealing "Don't Ask, Don't Tell." Alexander called DADT "like having a bowl of bigotry around a curtain of silk. It takes the basic integrity of a person and says you must forget it. It turns people into liars."

Mitchell discusses the Elaine Donnelly letter and Alexander calls it "nonsense."

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  1. Jose, I was not trying to shift the blame for DADT to Powell. I was responding to Powell's pusillanimous response to Rachel Maddow regarding his current position on DADT. I don't think Clinton was particularly brave in his support of gays in the military. I am also beginning to believe President Obama, like Clinton and Powell, is "just another politician." What we need now is another Harry Truman.

    Posted by: Lileasy | Apr 3, 2009 10:24:25 AM


  2. Doro -

    You are not a lesbian. You are a religious poser skulking around a gay website and trying to add some authority to your tired arguments by claiming to be part of our "community."

    Don't you have some books to burn somewhere?

    Posted by: Yeek | Apr 3, 2009 10:25:05 AM


  3. @DORO,

    No, wrong -- straight people have anal all the time. And I am sure even some lesbians engage in penetrative play, possibly even anal (not you, 'cause you're pure!).

    The problem is the double standard. You are quite simply wrong, and I think incurably dense on this matter.

    Buh-bye.

    Posted by: TikiHead | Apr 3, 2009 10:36:25 AM


  4. Doro, have you met Jason?

    Posted by: crispy | Apr 3, 2009 10:46:26 AM


  5. Smoke and mirrors.

    Posted by: Marc | Apr 3, 2009 10:49:25 AM


  6. Doro, Are you some kind of idiot ? You clearly have no understanding of how we gay guys love each other.But I digress because of lesbian neuroses. Colin Powell's performance last night was disgraceful. "If the military leaders agree.....if Congress agrees.....if the President agrees, then I'm for it ".....And this guy was a leader ?Powell couldn't lead his way out of a paper bag. And then what a breath of fresh air Clifford Alexander was. DADT is bigotry, pure and simple.Let's not be afraid to call it that.
    Powell says the US army is different from European armies because they're in more close proximity.....well why haven't the gays who complied with DADT for the last decade not been jumping on all the straight guys ? (Doro take note)... Because they behave professionally ! Powell doesn't get anything....gays have a right to eat in the same restaurants, sit up front on the buses and go to the same schools as straight folks. Powell is yesterday's man; the caravan has moved on.

    Posted by: hephaistion | Apr 3, 2009 10:54:36 AM


  7. @ Doro.
    You confirmed my Theory about some lesbians.Or shall I say some women who claim to be lesbians.Its amazing how many women out there "Choose" to be lesbian all because they turn into some man hating CUNT because they cant find a man who will treat them right.You are a homophobic man-hating harpy who has an issue with all men gay or str8 because you are a feminist piece of shit who just cant accept the real world.So you're posing as a lesbian who thinks she knows what "GAY MEN" are all about.You have no idea of such things.If you really are a lesbian,You should know that you ARE an embarrassment to Ellen Degeneres and other lesbians who are actually more respectful and in one way or another support the gay community Male or Female.You are a Skank.Do you know what a Skank is? A SKANK is a woman with low or sleazy character.You are also a HARPY which means you are a shrewish bad-tempered woman.For all we know you are probably some cunt that got beat up by her husband on a regular basis and is now trying to get even by showing total hate and sexism toward all men gay and str8.You are not a role model for any self-respecting lesbian,you dont speak for all lesbians and you dont represent the gay & lesbian community.So DROP DEAD!!!

    Posted by: Sean | Apr 3, 2009 10:59:18 AM


  8. Sean: "Sing out Louise !"

    Posted by: hephaistion | Apr 3, 2009 11:03:40 AM


  9. SEAN.
    YOU CAN CRY ALL YOU WANT LIKE MOST BOTTOMS DO, BUT YOU ARE THE ONE WHO GETS F***** IN THE ASS NOT ME! GAY MEN ARE THE ONES WHO MAKE PEOPLE LOOKS AT LGBT'S LIKE 'PIECE OF SHIT!

    Posted by: doro | Apr 3, 2009 11:24:17 AM


  10. @ doro Dont you have a yeast infection you need to tend to or something?

    By the way just to give you a heads up.Your stupidity is showing.ZIP IT UP!!!

    Posted by: Sean | Apr 3, 2009 11:34:34 AM


  11. @ SEAN LOL! At least i can treat my yeast infection with a mild antibiotic, what can you do about your loose anal sphincter and the subsequent incontinence? hemorrhoids? rectal cancer? Diapers? Hospitalization probably on taxpayers account? come on please!

    Posted by: doro | Apr 3, 2009 11:46:52 AM


  12. oh and "testa di merda" is italian for shithead

    Posted by: Vincenzo Morelli | Apr 3, 2009 11:48:43 AM


  13. @DORO,
    real lesbians don't devote so much thinking into who puts what into whose hole. btw, it's "we lesbians", not "us lesbians". yeah, i know it's a grammatical error, but it signifies much more. your thinking is in error. whom do you think your fooling, dude. you jus' ain't right in the haid.

    Posted by: nic | Apr 3, 2009 11:49:11 AM


  14. OMG! DORO, You are brutal! brutally honest hahaha. I think you win this round.

    Posted by: sam | Apr 3, 2009 11:51:27 AM


  15. @NIC
    It's "who do you think you are fooling", not whom. I know it's just a grammatical error, but it signifies much more

    Posted by: doro | Apr 3, 2009 11:57:00 AM


  16. Doro you are a stupid woman.Do us all a favor and jump off a bridge and take your diseased vagina with you.Eh? Puttana!!

    By the way you have showed us all that you are not grown up enough to be here.We gay men have better things to do with our time than be bothered with some ignorant CUNT like yourself.Its amazing what you homo-hating bitches do for attention.You must not have a Job because if you did you would not be here harassing gay men.You are a stupid bitch we know already.Your presence is insignificant here.So do us gay men a favor and GTFO of here.In fact Im gonna report you to the guy who runs this blog and have your immature comments removed.

    Posted by: Vincenzo Morelli | Apr 3, 2009 11:58:40 AM


  17. And Sam you are just as stupid for encouraging this kind of immaturity and ignorance.If you say anything else encouraging this Crap Ill send Andy a message and have your comments removed as well.There is no reason for this adolescent garbage.

    Posted by: Vincenzo Morelli | Apr 3, 2009 12:03:19 PM


  18. doro- i'm a friggin lesbian and your ass is embarrassing me. please, shut up. you are obviously not making ANYONE happy.

    Posted by: liz templin | Apr 3, 2009 12:41:57 PM


  19. YAY FOR RACHEL!

    Posted by: Magellan | Apr 3, 2009 12:55:29 PM


  20. C'mon people. Doro is a TROLL. Don't feed her. Even if she really is a lesbian posting here she obviously has some issues with men for starters and men who love men in particular. Just leave her alone. Let her squawk and make a fool of herself by herself. She certainly doesn't need any help from us "anal-obsessed" gay men. Ha! Now I have to get back to my suburban existence, aka "gay lifestyle", waiting for my husband to come home from protecting her right to be an idiot in public. Sometimes you just have to laugh at people.

    Posted by: ZnSD | Apr 3, 2009 1:03:25 PM


  21. Instead of getting caught up in the antics of Doro and Anthony, and instead of focusing solely on Powell's cowardice, shouldn't we be rallying around Clifford Alexander (a straight black man) and his unabashed support for our rights?

    Posted by: jayswords | Apr 3, 2009 1:22:35 PM


  22. @DORO,

    "whom" is absolutely correct in that sentence structure. "who" is wrong. do not make me go over there and slap you down again, little missy.

    Posted by: nic | Apr 3, 2009 2:16:08 PM


  23. RACHEL, luv ya but you need to better prepare! ONCE AGAIN, Powell is simply LYING! He claims that Clinton's Secty of Defense Les Aspin was never asked to change the policy when IN FACT nine days after being sworn in, President Clinton sent a memo to Aspin instructing him to draft an executive order to QUOTE, "end discrimination on the basis
    of sexual orientation in determining who may serve in the Armed Forces.” At the same time recruiters were instructed to stop asking applicants if they were gay, and pending discharges of anyone active duty were temporarily suspended.

    And he repeated the lie he's told before to the effect of, "Don't look at me. DADT was on fire when I sat down on it." Again, let's look at the FACTS:

    1. He denounced comparing banning blacks and banning gays by saying that being gay is a choice.
    2. He told Clinton he would resign as head of the Joint Chiefs if gays were admitted.
    3. He told graduates at Annapolis that it would be okay for them to resign if gays were admitted.
    4. "Powell, while talking cooperation with the White House, instigated behind-the-scenes opposition to the President" - "Time" magazine, July 26, 1993.

    But Mr. Wonderful will be praised again for opening his heart and calling for review of how the policy's working. Wonder if anyone every said to Lincoln, "Uh, let's study how slavery's working before you change anything"?

    Next, RECTUM Powell will be telling us HE PERSONALLY FOUND Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq! He can't wash his hands of the blood on them for helping get us into Iraq and he can't wash his hands of perpetuating homohatred in the military.

    Posted by: Leland Frances | Apr 3, 2009 2:25:58 PM


  24. @jayswords:
    Abolutely correct. Clifford Alexander was a breath of cool Atlantic fresh air blowing straight in from the ocean ,over Mount Brandon, and into my farm yard. What a treat to hear him call bigotry what it is after the weasel words of Colin Powell. And yes, Colin, we remember that you were at the meetings that discussed methods of torture and approved those methods. Your attempts to weasel your way out of culpability won't work. And yes you will have to answer to the International War Crimes Court for approving breaches of the Geneva Conventions on War. We will be waiting with warrants, Colin, happy traveling.
    By the way Doro, fuck off.

    Posted by: hephaistion | Apr 3, 2009 2:34:30 PM


  25. @leland francis:
    Thanks for your detailed account of that lily-livered bigot, Powell, his obfuscations last night made me want to vomit....what a stinking hypocrite. But I'm putting my faith in Spain,or the International Criminal Court to lock up all these two faced bastards who like Powell, approved torture (hiding behind Yoo's legal fantasia-disbar him), I want to see international warrants hauling these guys asses before International judges. If they have any integrity (I hear you laugh) they would surrender to answer the charges.But no doubt Powell Chaney Bush Yoo Edington and all the other non-entities will act just like Milosovitch et al. Let's round them up now and keep them "safe" for when the warrants issue.

    Posted by: hephaistion | Apr 3, 2009 2:46:23 PM


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