1. Yaz says

    That is the biggest load of shit Ive have heard today.

    “we’re not anti-gay,we’re pro-marriage”

    In other words they are anti-gay,they dont feel that gay & lesbian people should have a right to be married.

    Rationalizing your own bigotry.Thats a big low.

    Like kathy griffin said

    “what the fuck is it to you”


  2. paul c says

    I like how he cited Aristotle to justify opposition to same sex relationships. And it’s cute that a (supposedly) celibate man would speak of “natural law”…seeing how celibacy is completely unnatural. And who is a better authority on marriage than someone who chooses not to be married because his cult tells him not to?

    Great stuff.

  3. reddevilboy says

    i’ve always wondered about the catholic view that marriage is about families and procreation

    does that mean that people who are infertile shouldn’t be allowed to get married?
    or the elderly?

    it would seem that by their logic if you do not plan on reproduction, for whatever reason you choose not to, then you shouldn’t be allowed to get married

  4. JTlvr says

    I wish the people would stop pretending to know what God wants. He’s a big boy, he can speak for himself/herself. And so am I, for that matter.

    Separation of church and state, NOW!

  5. JSH says

    He’s right when he says “…human beings are hard-wired with a sense of right and wrong…” That’s how I know Christianity and specifically the Catholic Church is wrong.

  6. jim says

    I find it interesting that the church takes no issue with the LACK of ‘seperation of church and state’.

    This guy is not an elected official. He’s simply willing to spew Catholic rhetoric to the masses, and the media gives him the platform. Who’s he to speak for people who had no say in his recent promotion within the church?

  7. Blue dog says

    Yes indeed, my dear bishop, and that concept of natural law that you quote so effusively to defend that hardwired sense of right and wrong in people, was used by Aristotle himself to condone *natural* slavery, i.e., the fact that some people are born to be slaves.

  8. Andrew K says

    It is a sign you have lost the debate when all you can resort to is “we just feel we know this is right/wrong”.

    I was a bad debater in middle and high school, and I could have destroyed that one myself.

  9. MikeMick says

    “I’m not anti-gay, I’m pro marriage.”
    “I’m not anti-Jew, I’m pro-oven.”
    “I’m not anti-black, I’m pro-lynching.”
    Shut. The. Fuck. Up. Stay out of the civil marriage debate and keep your ever-shrinking church to yourself.

  10. David says

    I’m not about to take moral advice from the Roman Catholic Hierarchy, who willfully covered up generations of sexual abuse by its own members. The Hierarchy needs to have a serious talk about reality as it impacts dogma. The Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith is one of the august and influential offices of the Hierarchy:

    “Slavery itself, considered as such in its essential nature, is not contrary to the natural and divine law, and there can be several just titles of slavery and these are referred to by approved theologians and commentators of the sacred canons. … It is not contrary to the natural and divine law for a slave to be sold, bought, and exchanged or given.”

    This missive was composed for Pope Pius IX by the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith. This is the same “congregation” of Vatican bureaucrats (headed by Ratzinger before his ascension) who a few years ago offered up the admonishment to Catholic politicians about supporting any type of legal recognition for same-sex relationships–everything from marriage to civil unions to domestic partnership statutes.

    Says Ratzinger, “To give the support of one’s vote to such harmful legislative text for the common good of society is a gravely immoral act,” according to ZENIT [an international news agency].

    As I understand it, natural and divine law is not something that can be changed by man. It is deity-given and thus immutable to the whims of man. The same group of celibate, dress-wearing patriarchs who says that it’s perfectly okay for people to be “sold, bought, and exchanged or given” is the same group calling the legal recognition of same-sex marriages, a “gravely immoral act.”

    I don’t know about anybody else, but I don’t think that a group of people who condone and support the buying and selling of people should be pontificating about gravely immoral acts. The fact that these celibate, dress-wearing freaks feel it perfectly okay lecture about the morality or immorality of human sexuality, while hiding for generations the abuse inflicted upon children by their membership, is an example of the deepest hypocrisy I can imagine.

    Fuck them and the dresses they rode in on.

  11. simon says

    Apparently he learned his science from Aristotle and mixed that up with some modern scientific terms like DNA. It is sad that a so called religious leader can be that ignorant.

  12. SFshawn says

    What a sad life these religious folks lead…supposedly trying to “save” others when they can’t even save themselves from their own illogical stupidity. :)

  13. Leland Frances says

    I’m not anti Catholic—I’m just pro separation of Church & State.

    That’s a lie. I am anti Catholic, at least in terms of their, or any other religious group that says ONE word about a secular law, keeping their civil tax exempt status.

    Alas, this will never change in my lifetime, and is unlikey in that of anyone reading this.

    SO, in the meantime, it is all the more important that we aggressively and unapologetically call him a BIGOT!

  14. Dan says

    so with the statement “the dictionary defines marriage as between one man, one woman for life” then I say that divorce should be illegal. Since that’s what he’s telling us is the proper thing to do.

  15. Esther Blodgett says

    Can Mr. Dolan explain how two men or two women getting married affects his own marriage for the worse?

    Aha! I thought so!

    All this wisdom on the family by people who have no families.

  16. alex in boston says

    We are not Anti-Jew, we just do not want THEM staying in our Hotels, joining our Country Clubs, or living in our neighborhoods(40’s – 50’s)! We are not anti-negro, we just do not want THEM to live in neighborhoods, marry our white women or attend any of our colleges or schools(post 1900 – 1960’s), we are not anti- gay they can do as they wish BUT not enter into CIVIL MARRIAGE (today)! “ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL”! U S Constitution – Bill of Rights

    You tell me it’s not about rights and equal protection under the US Constitution?

  17. 1♥ says

    He stated: “because nature, and nature’s God has implanted that sense within us. That’s what philosophers, not even Catholic ones, like Aristotle, call natural law”
    Aristotle was not a Christian but he was Gay. Nature’s God is a term used by deists who are not Christian and do not believe in the false god of the Bible. The vast majority of philosophers who used the term “natural law” did not believe in the false god of the Bible. The Bible does not speak for God and Christians do not speak for God nor do they own God. The Bible is a lie therefore the god of the Bible is a lie.
    To quote Thomas Paine (a Deist) from his Age of Reason:
    “I believe in one God, and no more; and I hope for happiness beyond this life.
    I believe in the equality of man; and I believe that religious duties consist in doing justice, loving mercy, and endeavoring to make our fellow-creatures happy.
    But, lest it should be supposed that I believe in many other things in addition to these, I shall, in the progress of this work, declare the things I do not believe, and my reasons for not believing them.
    I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the Roman church, by the Greek church, by the Turkish church, by the Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.
    All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.”

  18. says

    Natural law is NOT Aristotle. It was ascribed to Aristotle by Thomas Aquinas. The Catholics basically just made it up to mean whatever they want.

    He’s not only anti-gay, he’s anti-marriage as well! As well as an ignorant f**k.

  19. says

    Natural law is NOT Aristotle. It was ascribed to Aristotle by Thomas Aquinas. The Catholics basically just made it up to mean whatever they want.

    He’s not only anti-gay, he’s anti-marriage as well! As well as an ignorant f**k.

  20. says

    Oh, to be one of the FAITHFUL again – so I could experience the liberation of LOSING IT all over again.

    But alas, once you wake up, its hard to fall asleep again.

    And no he didn’t throw Aristotle into his pro-hetero theory. Now, that’s priceless. :-)

  21. patrick nyc says

    ‘There’s an in-built code of right and wrong that’s embedded in the human DNA…Hard-wired into us is a dictionary, and the dictionary defines marriage as between one man, one woman for life, please God, leading to the procreation of human life.’
    So Mayor 9/11 Guilliani’s three wives are a sin?? Can’t wait until he throws his weight into that one.

    And what does his ‘dictionary’ say about priests who molest little boys, or the bishops who cover them up? Douche bag.

  22. Lara says

    What a great big pile of fucking bullshit. Nature indeed. Does he know that many animals in nature engage in gay sex? And he has no right to quote greek philosophers unless he’s down with them having sex with young men. So so so mad. And marriage is a man-made concept! I don’t see seagulls having ceremonies. Dumbass Dolan. I hope he gets hit by a bus.

  23. says


    Where are the scientists?
    Homosexuality exists in nature (i.e. – how WE are “wired”)

    And maybe, just maybe, “GOD” made sure that Queer babies are born every so often to help avoid over-population AND so that WE QUEERS can contribute to the raising of the “Village’s Children”….like many of us do right now.

  24. Mr. E says

    This guy really does not want to bring science into this argument because he WILL LOSE! DNA has NO concept of right or wrong, period!!!!!! DNA has no concept of morality! These are human thought experiments. That is all. The concept of right and wrong varies considerably throughout cultures and history. What a bumbling ignorant fucktard! And quoting an ancient greek philosopher who likely loved buggering little boys… Priceless.

  25. Ted says

    Let’s look at this from a different viewpoint. Assume for a minute he absolutely means that he [tho he said the Catholic Church] would defend the rights of gays to the most basic human rights. That means he would go against the public position of the Pope. So challenge to you, Bishop Dolan, my Irish brother, march in the gay pride parade in NY this year. and convince our bigoted Irish brothers to allow a gay group to march in the St. Patrick’s Day parade. Actions speak louder than words.

    Since I doubt you have the balls to do either, I guess I’ll be seeing you in Hell. Me, because your church’s teachings say I’ll be going there. You, because God knows better and will punish all those that seek to put down classes of people in his name.

  26. Stanley R. Dixon says

    This is an old quote, but I believe this applies here:
    “It ain’t so much the things we don’t know that get us into trouble. It’s the things we know that just ain’t so.”

  27. Ted says

    Oh, and one more thing, lets not lose sight of the fact that Miss California’s remarks carry more weight that Bishop Dolan’s in our society. I need to move to Spain!

  28. Ken says

    The problem is “natural law” is that what’s “natural” was decided by a specific set of (arguably) straight. I’m sure being gay seems unnatural to them, and it sure feels normal to me!

  29. says

    The Bishop’s role is to proclaim what God says as per Jesus Christ. He said Deny yourself, take up your cross an follow me.

    Gay or Stright or whatever, the teacing is the same. What part of it dont gays understand. “DENY YOURSELF” is pretty clear.

    Mark 1:15
    He said, “The time is now! The kingdom of God is near! Repent, and keep believing the gospel!”

    If you reject these teachings, so be it. It is on your own head.

  30. Parker says

    I couldn’t agree more with Reddevilboy. WHAT about all those couples who can’t procreate because they are infertile? BY CATHOLIC LOGIC they should be barred from marriage. But, wait, Catholics say “they can adopt”. Hmmmm… Circular reasoning, anyone?

  31. says

    The Catholic Church and the GOP are the only organizations I am aware of that are pro pedophilia, yet are stubbornly anti gay. It’s like they are mad at us for having sex with adults.

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