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Soulforce's Mel White Admonishes Tony Perkins on AC360


Soulforce founder (and Amazing Race contestant) Mel White (above, right) and Family Research Council's Tony Perkins appeared on AC 360 last night to discuss the recent chatter that the religious right-wing have lost the culture war, as well as recent conflicting statements by Rick Warren.

White certainly gets the right point across in the end:

COOPER: I've got to give Mel the last word, because I gave Tony the first word -- Mel.

WHITE: It's really important for people to realize that Tony and Dobson and these others have been misleading the public for so many years about sexual orientation and gender identity. It's so important to see through their half-truths and their hyperboles. It's really important to realize the damage they're doing by not saying that God created us gay. God loves us gay. And we should have all the rights that the American people provide all of us. So Tony sounds good like Rick, but they're really saying things that are horrible and destructive.

COOPER: Tony, I'll give you a quick response, because it was directed at you.

PERKINS: Well, I would just say it's not true. The Bible speaks for itself.

WHITE: The Bible says nothing about homosexuality, Tony.

PERKINS: You know that very well that it does. But Mel, nonetheless, Mel, I love you. Appreciate you as a human being.

WHITE: Don't say that because as soon as you say about gay people lead to destruction, the break-up of families... You continue this, "We love you, but we hate you. We love you, but...We don't want you to have rights. Tony, I've read your material. I've monitored you for ten years. You've got to get off this anti-gay stuff, because they're leaving the churches, because they've seen through your fundamentalist stuff."

Watch it, AFTER THE JUMP...

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  1. Gay rights and the fight to stop them will always be the major FUND-RAISING cause for these radical fundamentalists! If you want to really get sick sign up for perkins eletters at FRC!

    Posted by: alex in boston | Apr 14, 2009 8:51:54 AM


    Posted by: doro | Apr 14, 2009 8:54:37 AM

  3. Recently my church, a LGBT-inclusive UCC church, has seen an increase in congregants due to the anti-gay rhetoric that extremist Christians have been pushing over the past couple of decades. As more people are getting to know LGBT people in their daily life the extremist are finding that their divisive and hateful message just doesn't jive with the reality that we aren't the demons they makes us out to be. I'm confident that as this trend continues we will be able to overcome these deceitful lies that malign this country's LGBT citizens.

    Posted by: JerzeeMike | Apr 14, 2009 9:51:37 AM

  4. i really don't understand why some networks give the opposing side a 'voice'

    obviously they DON'T support gay marriage, etc.

    so why interview for their take on it? makes no sense and doesn't seem to prove anything except for what we already knew about them.

    Posted by: liz templin | Apr 14, 2009 10:06:32 AM

  5. Liz

    The largest share holder of Time Warner = owns CNN = Saudi Royal Talal .............the Saudi royal family is ultra conservative and believes homosexuality is a sin against allah. Do you really think the largest majority share holder doesn't have any influence on who they have on, what sides of the news they allow and disallow???????

    Posted by: jimmyboy | Apr 14, 2009 10:50:10 AM

  6. Well I guess thats just another asinine way for the conservative types to push their bigoted opinions on the general public.I guess its a good thing I no longer have a TV in this house AT ALL.I no longer watch it anyway,the 2 I had would have been taking space.

    Posted by: Jess | Apr 14, 2009 11:01:11 AM

  7. Dobson, Perkins, Warren and all the other homophobes are going down... Hallelujah! Any intelligent person can see through them!

    Posted by: CK | Apr 14, 2009 11:42:02 AM

  8. Ignoring Cooper's personal cowardice for the moment (tho thanks for that screen capture of his equally phony "I'm Squinting & Knitting My Brows Really Seriously Now!" pose], THIS is the issue that our pseudo leaders should LONG ago have demanded change (and Doro touches upon):

    While the subject of this show, as described by Andy, might be an exception, there is NO excuse for these shows to PERPETUATE the lie that gay equality is a RELIGIOUS issue and, thus, keep providing platforms for theocratic thugs like Perkins.

    They are CIVIL issues, but by elevating pseudo pious pricks like Perkins year after year the broadcaster, out of the box, is wrongly and unfairly and undemocratically AGREEING that they ARE religious issues, thus, reinforcing and sending the message to their viewers, "Respond to ga based on your religious views," and that there should be no such thing as separation of Church & State.

    Yes, they do the same thing in relation to a woman's right to choose, but you never see such shows about all US drug problems or murder rates or other crime rates—all regular pulpit subjects. In short, the Antigay Industry is as powerful as it is because mainstream media made them "stars"—and Cooper is just perpetuating that.

    As for Rev. White, who does do a lot of good when he's not wasting his time trying to rewrite the Bible for the invincibly ignorant, where the hell was his clerical collar? And the term is "lies" not "half truths."

    Posted by: Elijah | Apr 14, 2009 12:32:28 PM

  9. PS: Note the hysterical, fear-mongering, hate-mongering CNN-generated title under the cap and what it telegraphs:

    (Gay equality is the) "End of Christian America."

    Posted by: Elijah | Apr 14, 2009 12:36:04 PM

  10. jimmyboy - i don't know about who owns who when it comes to tv networks. if what you say is true (i assume it is since i know jack) then i'm not even sure why this 'Saudi Royal Talal' is the largest shareholder.

    if they have such strong views on gay people, they should go on over to fox and join up with beck and o' reilly.

    Posted by: liz templin | Apr 14, 2009 1:18:55 PM

  11. You people have been watching Olbermann and O'Reilly for too long.

    Anderson Cooper is a journalist, not a biased commentator. He's not there to talk about his feelings or his personal life -- he's there to present multiple sides of a given story to inform the public.

    It's sad that once again, Towleroaders don't want to hear two sides of an issue...only the side that confirms what they already believe.

    You can't effectively confront your adversary when you don't even know where they're coming from.

    Posted by: paul c | Apr 14, 2009 1:39:42 PM

  12. The gay police are out in force today. Anderson doesn't have to acknowledge anything. As far as interviewing these two, it's called journalism. He's supposed to stay neutral. More journalists should do it.

    Posted by: David T | Apr 14, 2009 2:07:05 PM

  13. @ David T and Paul C

    As a fellow journalist, I agree. Cooper's neutrality is merely textbook, and allows the audience to decide for themselves.

    BUT -- other comments are correct too. By inviting Perkins on, it continues to perpetuate the view that equal rights are a religious issue, rather than a civil issue. If I were at the helm of 360, opposing views would be voiced by anti-gay politicians, not the religious right. Remember separation of church and state? The MSM doesn't seem to. These fundies have no place in our civil rights dialog, and need to stop being allowed a public stage by the media.

    Also, that horrible, embarrassing tag-out at the bottom of the screen that reads "End of Christian America" while Mel White is speaking of Jesus's love and gay rights is deplorable, hate-mongering, and a very un-journalistic tactic that reeks of Fox News.

    As a journalist, I still despise 360.

    Posted by: Jonathan | Apr 14, 2009 5:37:46 PM

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