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  1. henry says

    Now, if only one of his family members could be waterboarded or subjected to the Abu Ghraib naked pyramid treatment, then he might also admit that torture is torture and doesn’t work.

  2. says

    This is entirely in his character. He’s evil and selfish. His daughter is a dyke. So it’s in his own evil self-interest to side with his evil, selfish daughter.

    If she wasn’t gay, he would be anti-gay.

    Also, this isn’t an enlightened view. Every state gets to decide? So what, gays are first class citizens in some states, and nothing in others?

    And does he think banning interracial marriage should be a state decision?

  3. Zeke says

    “I think people ought to get a shot at that, and they do at present.”

    WHAT?

    What the hell is that supposed to mean? WHO gets a shot at that?

    And yes marriage is determined at the state level but EVERY state recognizes ALL marriages from other states in EVERY other circumstance. Does he support the same being true for same-sex marriages and what about federal recognition of those marriages?

  4. D.C says

    Give me a break. Doesn’t matter how you feel about Obama, anybody who roots for Dicktator Cheney have only a little sense of human dignity.

  5. Kipp says

    This highlights my central problem with Obama: I don’t believe Obama views gay marriage as a civil rights issue on par with Black civil rights. I cannot imagine that a Persident Obama in 1960 would have quietly tolerated discrimination against blacks the way he does with gay discrimination now. No matter his legal ability to carry out policy, if Obama truly believed that gay marriage was about civil rights be couln’t help but be more vocal in his support of civil equality. But I think don’t he does… even when people like Dick Cheney show him up in this issue.

  6. Automotive Enthusiast says

    Exactly.It doesnt matter what this ugly bald fat white goose bag sack of cellulite says about marriage equality as far as Im conerned he is still an evil son of a bitch who has aided Bush in bringing this country into the ground.

    BTW if he is so for marriage equality why didnt his son of a bitch ass say something while still serving in the white house?

    GET THE FUCK OUTTA HERE

    And for any queen who is actually enlightened by this douche’s view on marriage equality,you are just as much as a hypocrite as he and Obama.

    But of course the log cabin scumbags of this alleged community will be jumpin up and down in his seat because a rethuglican actually said something in favor of gay people.MONTHS after he and Bush’s term ended. FUCK OFF!!!

  7. Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com says

    Uh, NO he’s NOT “more enlightened on marriage equality than President Obama!

    Even ignoring the “something we’ve lived with for a long time in our family”…you know, like CANCER or A MASS MURDERER….. his position is, overall, exactly the same as Mr. Obama’s, but implicitly inferior in another way.

    He, like Mr. Obama [and all his Dem primary competitors save Kucinich], says he believes STATES should be able to do whatever THEY want. That is, if they approve of marriage equality, fine. If they BAN marriage equality, that’s also fine.

    The fuzzy part is what he means by,

    “The question of whether or not there should be a federal statue that governs this, I don’t support.”

    If he means he’s opposed to a US Constitutional ban, hooray, but so is Obama [as was all his Dem primary competitors].

    If he means there should be no federal RECOGNITION of marriage equality of ANY kind such as giving gay couples federal benefits in any shape or form then he is BEHIND Mr. Obama [and all of his former Dem primary competitors].

  8. damien says

    “It’s sad…really, really sad…that this evil fucker is more enlightened on marriage equality than President Obama.”

    Note that he’s only “more enlightened” now that he’s not in office. It’d have been great for him to say that during the Bush/Cheney Administration. Then it’d have made a big difference. Not as much now.

  9. ichabod says

    Obama should be ashamed, but let’s not forget that Cheney never said ANYTHING about this while his tail was in the White House. Before? Yes. Now? Yes. During? Nope.

  10. Alan says

    “I do believe that historically the way marriage has been regulated is at the state level.”

    Except of course for DOMA, the IRS, Immigration, Social Security, etc.

  11. elg says

    “It’s sad…really, really sad…that this evil fucker is more enlightened on marriage equality than President Obama.”

    It’s easy for Dick Cheney to take this so-called “enlightened” position now that he’s never going to run for political office again. And, of course, his views aren’t really so enlightened as has been pointed out in previous comments on this post.

  12. Timothy K says

    Dick Cheney’s new position is different from President Obama’s. Cheney is basically saying that all of the federally regulated laws should not be provided to same sex couples, but the state can regulate it; therefore, same sex couples would not be able to receive any federal benefits. President Obama does not believe in marriage equality, UNFORTUNTATELY, however, he does believe in recognizing civil unions on a federal level as well as repealing some of those heinous laws (time will tell) set up by our federal government under Clinton and Bush and this man. These civil unions will allow same sex couples to receive federal benefits. President Obama has also advocated that same sex marriage should be handled on a state by state basis. Although we may be frustrated with our current President’s lack of a voice on GLBT issues as of late, his positions are quite different.

  13. Bruno says

    He’s spoken about this on at least one occasion before, but this is while he’s in a bigger spotlight. Yes, he’s evil and he (like a lot of people) wouldn’t be for it if he didn’t have a daughter who was gay. That’s just the way it is, but it doesn’t make him a better person in my eyes.

  14. says

    Cheney’s response is almost exactly word-for-word the same as his response during the 2004 VP debate. He also stated, at the time, that it was the President who set policy for the Administration, which was pushing for the Federal Marriage Amendment.

    So, technically, he did address it, however anemically. He was unwilling to take on his boss on marriage. But he helped out Valerie Plame as a CIA agent, and pushed torture.

  15. says

    Folks, you don’t really believe a word Dick Cheney says, do you? He’ll be supporting the repeal of DADT next.

    And he’s not endorsing federal recognition of samesex marriages, either.

  16. Disgusted American says

    Hey Cheney go Fuck yourself! May we all wake up one morning soon and find out to hear that Mr Cheney is No longer on this human plane of existance!

  17. Denis says

    Cheney is, of course, pretty evil, but his “support” of gay marriage at this stage isn’t unimportant. The lemmings that worship at the alter of Fox News actually listen to this man (especially now that he won’t shut up).

  18. Lar says

    Talk about single issue. This man is unelectable to anything now, and can say what he wants.

    I am supposed to applaud becuase this torturer gave a lukewarm defense of SSM? Yawn.

  19. Kipp says

    “Freedom means freedom for everybody” is exactly what Cheney said 4 years ago when asked about gay marriage. He supported gay marriage against the president *and* his own political party. If Cheney’s daughter wasn’t gay, I don’t know what he might say.. but the simple fact is that Dick Cheney is (amd has been for years now) more to-the-point about gay marriage than Obama. This doesn’t make Dick Cheney better – it simply makes Obama look worse. Rather than trying to dismiss Cheney’s viewpoint, gays should be forcing Obama to own-up to the disparity.

  20. CK says

    I agree with Zeke on “I think people ought to get a shot at that, and they do at present.”… my response was also “WHAT?!?!?” does Darth Cheney even know what he is talking about? So you theink we DO get a shot at present? You mean in all States? Everywhere? Let’s see… NO… we DON’T. So does he advocate that if people want ‘a shot’ that they should have to MOVE to a different State in the US where they do get this famous ‘shot’ at it? Jeez, that is such fabulous equality, isn’t it! I suggest a clarification from the geezer…

  21. Derrick from Philly says

    “I cannot imagine that a Persident Obama in 1960 would have quietly tolerated discrimination against blacks….”

    No, but Presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy did.

    It will take time, people. Most Americans still don’t understand what we are–they have to be educated.

  22. loki7329 says

    “Something we’ve lived with for a long time in our family.”

    He talks about being gay like it’s some kind of cancer or disease.

  23. Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com says

    Repeating myself only because some are obviously choosing not to read the comments which would neutralize the nonsense of claiming that Cheney’s position is better than Obama’s. Note, too, he was only responding to a question.

    Even ignoring the “something we’ve lived with for a long time in our family”…you know, like CANCER or A MASS MURDERER….. his position is, overall, exactly the same as Mr. Obama’s, but implicitly inferior in another way.

    He, like Mr. Obama [and all his Dem primary competitors save Kucinich], says he believes STATES should be able to do whatever THEY want. That is, if they approve of marriage equality, fine. If they BAN marriage equality, that’s also fine. “States rights” for them trumps all their pretty words about individual “freedom” to the contrary.

    The fuzzy part is what he means by,

    “The question of whether or not there should be a federal statue that governs this, I don’t support.”

    If he means he’s opposed to a US Constitutional ban, hooray, but so is Obama [as was all his Dem primary competitors].

    If he means there should be no federal RECOGNITION of marriage equality of ANY kind such as giving gay couples federal benefits in any shape or form then he is BEHIND Mr. Obama [and all of his former Dem primary competitors].

  24. Tony says

    “The question of whether or not there should be a federal statue that governs this, I don’t support.”

    What about DOMA? I want to know his opinion on his position on that issue relative to this discussion as well. How do I get press credentials?!

  25. says

    I’m not super excited to have a war criminal express support for my civil rights, thanks. His support could have been helpful while he was in the white house, but of course he kept his mouth shut and pandered to the bigots while secretly supporting his daughter. That almost makes it worse. Okay maybe not almost.

    And y’all are right… it’s reprehensible to have this crazy asshole utter a more enlightened view on marriage equality than Obama.

  26. Michael @ LeonardMatlovich.com says

    ” it’s reprehensible to have this crazy asshole utter a more enlightened view on marriage equality than Obama”

    It’s inexplicable that you can’t see that he’s NOT.

  27. says

    Oh Michael, come on… the man’s a sack of turds, but at least he’s not uttering the tepid one man one woman thing that Obama keeps saying. He’s not fully supportive to be sure, but I don’t see how you can’t think that his stated opinion is a little more toward our end of the continuous rating scale than is Mr. Obama. I hate to admit it too, but that’s what he said.

    I’ll keep fighting. You too. We’re on the same side.

  28. mrmnyc says

    He and his family has “Lived with this” for years? How unfortunate that they’ve been put to such an unfortunate circumstance. Our community has lived with much more for much longer.

    What a putz.

  29. Zeke says

    Wow, Cheney is more enlightened and more progressive than Obama on issues of lgbt. That’s unbelievable!!! By the way, can we please have a time frame when Obama no longer gets a pass at ignoring us. Even Bill Clinton is starting to “evolve”, the one who set us back 10 years.

  30. Paul R says

    I think he meant to say, “I think people ought to get shot at.”

    Kidding aside, his lesbian daughter is his favorite. He likes her better than his shrew of a wife. Even in 1990, as secretary of defense, he called the ban on gays in the military “an old chestnut,” and his chief of staff in the House and later lead media contact for the first Iraq war was a major homo. Everyone knew it, especially when he was outed as a “tap dancing faggot.”

    That said, I agree that if it weren’t an issue so close to home, he’d be just as ass-backward on this issue as any other. Though I wouldn’t necessarily read “we’ve lived with this” so harshly…it could be that, in his obtuse way, he’s trying to say that they’ve known about and accepted Mary being a lesbian for years.

  31. woodroad34 says

    Given his earlier view and comments when his daughter was brought up, I believe this is a political attack against Obama and his “obmutescence” (see an earlier post for that word–I love it). The GOP have been trying to get their hard-core people to lighten up on the gay-bashing (it’s in the news) and this could be a double-whammy attack against Obama–showing a softer side to Cheney and attacking Obama’s reticence/flip-flopping.

  32. Leonard Jones says

    “He’s not fully supportive to be sure, but I don’t see how you can’t think that his stated opinion is a little more toward our end of the continuous rating scale than is Mr. Obama.”

    Michael just pointed out how he is NOT. Mr. Cheney does not support recognizing same-sex couples in *any* way at the federal level (whether they be civil unions or marriages), while PRESIDENT Obama does.

    Mr. Cheney does not hold any public office and is free to speak his ignorant comments freely, on the other hand President Obama has to toe the line, plus he hasn’t been in office for even a year. He has four years to fulfill his promises.

    On top of that, why didn’t Mr. Cheney try to push for marriage equality when he was in office for EIGHT years? He has no problem talking about his gay daughter (here and there) and making lukewarm statements in support of marriage rights, but when it comes down to it he’s perfectly satisfied with the way things are.

    I’m no Obama apologist, but some commenters come across as very bitter and dense.

  33. DJ says

    It is sickening to see people try and defend Dick Cheney as more gay supportive than Obama. Please, that is disturbed on so many levels.

    Dick Cheney and his daughter stood silent for eight years as gays were continually thrown under the bus. There is nothing about Cheney that I can tolerate and it is sickening to see anyone here trying to defend him.

  34. Tom K. says

    Well, despite all the back and forth here, Cheney said something the California Supreme Court and President Obama rejected outright: Freedom means freedom for everyone. I don’t care what life experience brought Cheney to adopt that point of view or how clumsily he speaks about his family, or even about other aspects of his political views; on this he is right, while the CA Supremes and Obama are wrong.

  35. Kipp says

    Hey DJ,
    I don’t want reality to get in the way of your bile but… “Dick Cheney and his daughter stood silent for eight years” isn’t true. Cheney’s daughter, in particular, was quite vocal about her opposition to the Republican stance of gay rights – in particular the push to amend the US constitution. I think Cheney could have done more to actually change policy when he was in office… but it remains the case that Cheney and his daughter have said something **more** than Barack Oabama has been willing to say: That gay marriage is okay and should be allowed. Obama has repeatedly said that he believes marriage should be between a man and a woman only.

    Give Obama whatever benefit of the doubt you want. Site his other statements about federal domestic partners or his proclamations about GLBT pride month. It remains the case that Barack Obama is not as pro-gay as Dick Cheney when it comes to gay marriage. It may be too much for some of us to accept that notion, but it’s simply true. And it’s Obama we should criticize for this particular issue – not Dick Cheney.

  36. David in Houston says

    Let’s see… I do recall him being part of an administration that tried to pass a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. His opinion is completely worthless.

    I’m also sick of hearing that marriage should be a state issue. The right to marry shouldn’t depend on which state you live in. EVERY citizen should have exactly the same rights.

  37. Paul says

    I dont know Cheney’s heart on this issue but I feel it is important to note that he is a politician. The sentiment and tides of the moment are a little different than 4 or 8 years ago. The Republican party fears it has lost a lot of supporters because of its stance on many issues including the rights of all people regardless of sex or sexual orientation to live their lives free and unhindered within the scope of the constitution. This public pseudo-support could be nothing more than an effort to once again gain back supporters who found the republicans more divisive than decisive.

  38. Jeffrey says

    Considering that Obama has stated his support for federal recognition of same-sex relationships (whether they are civil unions, DPs or marriage), I would rather live in his world than Cheney’s. Cheney is saying that it is fine for a state to allow SSM but it is also fine for another state not to recognize it and for the federal govt. not to recognize it. Marriages have to be transportable over state lines and all the significant financial rewards for married couples are at the federal level.

  39. DJ says

    Kipp, you should see the movie “Outrage” about Cheney’s daughter. As for Dick Cheney being more pro gay than Obama, even with a gay daughter, I say a big…NO.

  40. Adam says

    Republicans are all the same: if it affects them, they understand, and if it doesn’t, then FUCK YOU. It’s why Dick Cheney is okay with gay marriage and Nancy Reagan is okay with stem cell research. If Dick Cheney’s daughter were unlawfully detained at Gitmo, I’m sure he’d be singing a different tune.

    Hate on Democrats all you like. At least they’re somewhat capable of putting themselves in another human being’s shoes.

  41. Marc C says

    AND A BIG FUCK YOU GOES OUT TO MY PEEPS THE HOMOS SAYS DICK! State regulated marriage??? Thanks but no thanks. I’ve never seen such horseshit come out of politics in my life as does that surrounding GLBTs and discrimination. Every Goddamn one of ’em is positioning us as the tipping point in the next election with not one being willing to commit to any real support. The U.S. DOES suck and so do the majority of its Gays and Lesbians because we are willing to throw others under the bus for a scrap here and a scrap there. FUCK YOU FAGS! I’ll move elsewhere.

  42. chocolatebear says

    I wouldn’t believe this Man if I was paid to. He is dangerous and a moreover a DAMN LIAR and as for his daughter……………

    Whatever!

  43. doro says

    wow.wow.wow. We are actually picking Chaney over Obama. Sort of like Chaney picking Rush L over the former secretary of state Powel. My gay brothers ad sisters never fail to amaze me.

  44. Devon says

    After reading about a dozen comments uttering “he never did anything while in office blah blah”….let me remind those, THAT is not so:

    During the 2004 Presidential Election he said:
    “With respect to the question of relationships, my general view is that freedom means freedom for everybody,”
    Also adding:
    “People ought to be free to enter into any kind of relationship they want to.”

    He even voiced his support for same-sex marriage from as far back as the 2000 election. Also, he opposed Bush’s attempts at a constitutional amendment to restrict marriage to heterosexual couples

    His speech yesterday, was just a reiteration of his past views and statements. So yes, although Mr. Cheney isn’t the most upstanding citizen one must still give credit, where credit is due. And those that are getting hung up on the “we have lived with ” part, are just being to damn critical. His love for his daughter is evident for the very fact that he defied his party when their whole 2004 election base was basically built on attacking the gay community.

    Can we just put aside our personal feelings towards the man, and just accept that he believes in gay marriage and had NO problem admitting as much while in office.

  45. jimcord says

    Again the tired old fags and queens on this site refuse to acknowledge that someone from the right might actually be more forward thinking then the precious Obama. Even if he used some interesting words of choice to explain his feelings…..it is more than Obama has provided. If you think Cheney is suck a evil fuck, you might want to see what they do to those of us who like men in other countries! They fucking torture and kill us for being us. Be glad this Evil Fuck is on your side!

  46. John says

    The fact that most of the comments about his comment are so negative an ill informed makes me wonder why we think we are so much more enlightened about issues than people who do not agree with is 100%. Everyone likes to take pot shots and evryone else and absolutely no common ground is gained.fight and pass all the legislation to serve our needs…thats winning a few battles….change people’s hearts and minds and in the long run we win the war! Oh I forgot war is ALWAYS A BAD WORD…Jeez this country is fucked

  47. Bruce Mayhall says

    Butt of coarse! Can everybody see through this political sham? Another opportunity taken to assault President Obama, but this time Mr. President, you have left yourself wide open!

    Now, as for you Mr. Nutbag, this PROVES that you believe in torture!

    I’ll be glad when the media stops giving this war criminal his platform to give us his opinions that we don’t want and his face which we long ago tired of seeing — like about 1981.

    Begone, foul stench!

  48. Tom K. says

    Many of the posters have brought up Dick Cheney’s worst deeds and beliefs again and again to minimize the relevance of his stance on same-sex marriage. These posters seem to think this helps their point, i.e., “He’s evil and awful so it doesn’t matter what he thinks!” In fact it does the exact opposite–it highlights even more the irony that Dick Cheney supports our right to marry, while Barack Obama and the half-witted “justices” on the CA Supreme Court do not. Period. Squeals about his belief that those marriages should be state-recognized agreements are pretty much irrelevant to the salient point: Dick Cheney supports a form of same-sex marriage and Pres. Obama supports no form of same-sex marriage. Again, period.

    In so many ways Dick Cheney has been an enemy to our country’s basic principles. He’s worked to restrict the rights of Americans and has stood against various universal human rights. And yet despite all of those evil deeds and despite his defective reasoning about what our country stands for, he has recognized our fundamental right to marry–this is a civil rights issue for Chrissake!–and he has publicly stated, in this situation at least, that freedom means freedom for everyone; while Obama, our supposed friend and leader and the deified embodiment of Change, has not. So Darth Vader gets it, while Luke Skywalker, our hero, does not.

    That a fascist like Cheney–a man who’s never met a right he wasn’t willing to stomp on–supports same-sex marriage makes it more monumental and relevant, not less.

  49. Tom K. says

    Oh, and some, like Bruce above, have cast doubt on Cheney’s motives, reminding us that the man is after all a politician. But I don’t see the political benefit. Cheney is part of a party whose members overwhelmingly do not support same-sex marriage; and apparently he has no further political ambitions. So where’s the political payoff? Even Barack Obama recognized that public support for same-sex marriage was political poison. So tell me how this is political.

  50. Matt says

    You know I think this just highlights a very “let them eat cake” type of angle for the whole states’ rights argument- if Lynne Cheney were Lou Cheney they could easily relocate to a state where they could get married and that would be that. However, people who didn’t happen to run Halliburton or other multinational corporations don’t really have the luxury of that mobility… it’s a great conservative cop-out.

  51. Blah Blah says

    Geez, you gays are morons. It’s not that hard to figure out: When Cheney said “I think people ought to get a shot at that, and they do at present” he is talking about states having the freedom to debate and decide their position on gay marriage without federal intervention… which presently they do. Some states have decided against it, some haven’t. It’s democracy. A concept gays are totally against and just want to lord their views over the larger populace by any means necessary “whether they like it or not.”

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