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by Andy TowleSeptember 2, 2009 | 8:38am
J. J. says
September 2, 2009 at 8:55 am
This sort of thing is only shocking to people who are isolated from the reality of how their food gets to them. They think it magically appears in the grocery store, or on a plate, looking delicious.
September 2, 2009 at 9:13 am
I cannot watch things like this. I just wanted to say that PETA should be working on things like this and not worry so much about the President killing a fly.
b mac says
September 2, 2009 at 9:18 am
really. the solution provided is to go vegan. oh, ok.
September 2, 2009 at 9:32 am
i hope this doesn’t really surprise anyone. you don’t need hidden cameras, just a brain, to figure out they won’t harvest male chicks to get eggs in those masses you find in supermarkets. so either live with it, or change your eating and/or shopping behaviour.
September 2, 2009 at 9:38 am
You might also choose a compassionate, locally raised and personally captured, killed and prepared chicken for your next dinner. Once you kill and pluck a few dinners on your own or slaughter your own livestock instead of buying mass produced ignorance, you’ll have a whole new respect for that animal and might not even be so hungry for it next time. I know I’m a hell of a lot less apt to throw ANYTHING away…but it also tastes a hell of a lot BETTER.
September 2, 2009 at 9:41 am
Disney should make a movie out of this video. Like a group of chicks escapes from this factory. It would be an adventure of a lifetime!
Well, perhaps urban people are surprised. OK, I’m the son of a veterinarian, but how is that news? And furthermore: Is that really so terrible?
The only thing this video tells me is that the PETA people are nuts. Which is not news either.
September 2, 2009 at 9:42 am
I think this is a powerful video that is totally undermined by its closing statement. Going vegan is not the only answer. Try the local green market… get yourself some eggs from pasture-raised hens, and you’re all set. Last time I checked, the market in Union Square had 2 or 3 purveyors offering such eggs.
Aiden Raccoon says
September 2, 2009 at 9:53 am
HAHA.. this was in an episode of “American Dad” quite a while ago. Stan’s son could tell which chicks were male just by looking at them so his job was to put the male chicks down the chute. The females went on to lay eggs I believe. The male chicks were ground into dog food and fillers I believe. The process is absolutely humane because the chicks die very quickly in the grinder.
September 2, 2009 at 10:44 am
Yeah seen this in action myself, its normal, but it hasnt made me vegan (nothing would).
Lee Keels says
September 2, 2009 at 11:25 am
I seriously do not understand why people get so up in arms over this kind of thing. “Regard for welfare”???? These animals are FOOD, people. They don’t have souls. They are here for our sustenance, nothing more. These idiots think everyone should go vegan…that’s INSANE.
September 2, 2009 at 11:28 am
So… the problem is that the chicks are murdered in… 0,01 second? Ok, they could do other things to make the process better, but WTF with the vegan (vegan!) propaganda?
Well intended, failed at the end.
September 2, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Sorry, I just couldn’t finish the video. I can’t handle something where you know that this cruelty and barbarism is being done for commercial profit. I think the same thing should be done to some of the children of Hy-line’s management just to see how Hy-line’s execs would react. Not very well, probably. So, where are the “pro-life” people on this one? Oh, yeah. I forgot. These are “dumb” animals. I think it’s the humans who are dumber. And more savage.
September 2, 2009 at 12:51 pm
I am frankly taken back by people who:
1) Suggest that any kind of killing is humane
2) Suggest that animals don’t have souls
3) Suggest that animals are food only
We are humans, but we are animals too, and in a different world, we could easily be hunted and cultivated for mass consumption by other more advanced species.
– The problem is that animals are killed, period.
– Murder is not funny.
– Animals do have souls. We are animals too, and we have souls.
– Animals deserve to live as much as we do.
September 2, 2009 at 1:12 pm
@Guest: You are probably also one of the nuts who want to transform all carnivores into herbivores.
Proof that there is a soul. Neither humans nor other animals have a soul. Esotheric nonsense. You are not better than the religious crazies.
September 2, 2009 at 1:23 pm
The word ‘murder’ is obviously only applicable to humans. What’s hilarious is when people say, “you murdered that chicken!”. No, I killed the chicken. More precisely, I ground it up. It is impossible to ‘murder’ something that is not human.
September 2, 2009 at 1:31 pm
@Guest: Thanks for your comments. It’s just a matter of time before the soul-less Ahem’s of the world eat each other literally. Sad.
That was horrifying. Yes, we all hear how bad it is in those chicken farms, but I’ve never actually seen it. And I never realized that baby male chicks meat their end in a freaking meat grinder on a purveyor belt.
Dammit, chicken was my favorite meat! I don’t know how on earth I can eat it like this anymore. We should have some minimum standards for how those factories work. I’m not so puritanical as to think we all should or could become vegetarians, but food should be “processed” as painlessly as possible. I’m pretty sure California just voted on something like that last election — it should be throughout the country.
Anyone that attempts to use the term “humane” in regard to the intentional end of one life to sustain another is delusional. It is a natural part of existence on this planet. As a thinking ape, you get to decide what you will or won’t eat and that all depends upon what you can or can’t catch, cultivate and grow.
1. characterized by tenderness, compassion, and sympathy for people and animals, esp. for the suffering or distressed: humane treatment of horses.
There’s nothing humane about killing your dinner.
You can leave the soul debate at the door, Guest. That’s a rather subjective concept. Does a lioness feel remorse for picking off a weak or immature antelope from the herd? Should bats and birds be vilified for eating bugs? By the way, those chickens will eat almost ANYTHING in the wild, including dog shit.
You want a real horror show? Watch Death on a Factory Farm some time. That was beyond sick. I still say, if you can’t catch it, kill it and cook it yourself, you shouldn’t eat it. If you want to argue a point, consider the massive waste and overproduction of these industries.
September 2, 2009 at 2:12 pm
I’d rather our efforts were spent trying to get humans to treat EACH OTHER with compassion, dignity and respect.
You want me to care about what goes on in a hatchery when in many parts of the world animals have more legal protections than homosexuals?
A little priority re-alignment is in order.
September 2, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Yes, these animals are intended for our food needs. But that doesn’t mean we have to treat them as though they are not living things in the process. They are animals, not equipment, and deserve at least a small amount of compassion while they are alive (no matter how short that time may be).
September 2, 2009 at 3:14 pm
“Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet.” Albert Einstein.
I am Vegan for myself, for the animals, and for our planet.
September 2, 2009 at 3:22 pm
So, given that chicken and eggs are NOT going to be disappearing from diets any time soon, what changes could be made to the process? I’m not defending this process, just wondering what the options are. Knocking them out first with some gas or drug before they’re ground up? Somehow live male chicks have to be turned into dead male chicks.
The visuals are effective, but some of the narrative is odd. It states that the beak mutilation process (and I still don’t get why that’s necessary) causes “both acute and chronic pain.” What’s the difference between the two if you’re living for only a few more seconds? And it mentions several times that workers handle the chicks “roughly”–more roughly than the machines and the grinder??
September 2, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Having read many of the above posts, I think I need to go and take a shower. I actually thought gay people were among the most compassionate souls in this world, but obviously that was one seriously ignorant assumption on my part. Jesus.
September 2, 2009 at 3:36 pm
What shocks me is the number of informed people who seem to think the “circle of life” is a song from a Disney movie and not the ecological reality that in part includes animals killing and eating each other.
September 2, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Compassion is not a pie where you can only get so many slices. Compassion is a bottomless ocean, and we all should open our hearts to compassion of all sentient beings. Just because one works towards increased animal welfare, doesn’t mean they are also not working on issues of social justice for fellow humans as well. And please also consider the issues of social justice within the confines of industrialized farming, which also marginalizes and mistreats it’s employees nearly as systematically as it does the animals.
In the not to distant past I’m sure many people made the same argument that GLBTQ, minorities, women, etc. didn’t have souls, just as people currently try to justify systemic exploitation of animals for food. There are many commonalities in the systematic oppression or exploitation of groups of people on the heteronormative fringes of societal standard and that of farmed animals, even today. People take the issue of animal welfare and animal rights very personally, because in a sense it holds up a mirror to one’s own diet, lifestyle, and practices, and that’s a very humbling experience. People get defensive, and put off. But sometimes the cage must be rattled, tactfully, to get a free mind and objectively reflect on the state of industrialized agriculture, on how it negatively affects the animals, the environment, employee rights, human health, the economy, and the human spirit for compassion and benevolence to the most fragile beings on earth. I think many people have become desensitized to barbaric practices that are now quotidian instead of calling for social and cultural evolution.
I’ve been vegan for 6 years and done nothing more than increase my consciousness of ALL issues, whether human-, animal-, or environmentally-related. Not to mention helped my health and well being in ways that could never be quantified. No one can force personal changes on another being, after all, this is all about compassion for animals. And humans are animals too :), but the one thing I think people can agree on is education. I think for whatever reasons, most of America is consciously or unconsciously avoids educating themselves on issues of animal welfare. If every one sees what’s really going on and makes an informed decision for themselves, that’s my goal. But to do that, videos like this need to be accessible and promoted to the public.
RE: PETA- This investigation was done by the group Mercy for Animals and they are an amazing organization. All other vegetarians and vegans I know cannot support PETA’s tactics as I cannot either.
September 2, 2009 at 4:03 pm
I’m not interested in watching the video, I got the point anyway…
It’s pointless, really. the fur and meat industry will never die; Just as there are enough ignorant people to do drugs, there are also even more who support animal killers.
I bet that dogs would be killed too providing that their meat tasted good in a sandwich: let’s all eat anything that moves, oh, look, a dolphin, let’s kill that too, I bet he’s yummy with the right sauce…
September 2, 2009 at 4:04 pm
I HATE that animals die “just” so I can eat them. Really, I do.
Of course, there’s billions of fucking people on this planet now, so either kill some of them off or find industrial food solutions. The latter is a moral conundrum to me, but it’s beyond fixing now.
September 2, 2009 at 4:06 pm
I guess I was lucky growing up, since my grandfather raised hens and we had eggs all our own. Roosters can’t be kept together because they will kill each other, and I’ve seen my share of hens pretty much raped by the few roosters he kept. It’s not a pretty sight, but then again I guess ground up live chicks isn’t either.
September 2, 2009 at 4:12 pm
After reading the above comments I’m off to make a chicken salad sandwich (really I am.) Come on people, there’s so much suffering in the human world to be concerned about, let’s keep things in prospective – its a fucking chicken!!! PETA is a fucking joke, I wish they would use their resources/money/man power to help humankind.
September 2, 2009 at 4:27 pm
I’m going to KFC for dinner tonight. Mmm…. finger lickin’ good.
September 2, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Actually grinding is the most humane way to kill the chicks. Gassing them causes pain and can result in incomplete deaths or can draw out the death. All major science and veterinary boards agree that this is the fastest and most humane way to euthanize. As for beak trimming, they aren’t debeaked. The jagged, hook end of their beaks are trimmed. This prevents the birds from pecking one another and cannibalising themselves. Birds naturally establish a pecking order (this is where we get the expression from) to assert the alpha’s dominance and can result in some pretty horrific injuries. As for free-range birds, it might sound prettier and more romantic but the reality is the birds are far dirtier, more prone to disease, lay their eggs in manure and eat the manure of the other birds. They also have far higher mortality rates. What is more humane, housing the bird in cages (and I’ve seen them, they can move around. They are designed with food on one end and water on the other so they can certainly move) where they are out of the elements, protected from predators and at a reduced exposure to disease and vermin or throwing them outdoors and letting them fend for themselves?
September 2, 2009 at 5:38 pm
“thought gay people were among the most compassionate souls in this world”
I learned a long time ago the exact opposite is true. Narrow-mindedness is also rampant in our community, sadly.
As for the chicks… I’ve always bought free-range eggs just because I don’t think animals should treated like this. I do believe animals have souls, and I do believe there are far more respectful ways of making food out them. Tossing them all into a grinder, while quick, is fucking sick any way I look at it.
September 2, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Seriously? Why are we blaming the farms anyway? What do you expect to happen when 2.00$ a pound is the norm for meat? We want food for cheap and this is how corners get cut.
And if you think buying “free range” or “happy chickens” is helping the matter you’re just stupid. Those labels aren’t regulated at all and therefore probably and most likely aren’t happening the way you imagine it. The organic industry is a gimmick as well, more than half of it isn’t from this country, and if it’s not from this country then it can’t be regulated.
Quit kidding yourselves. I grew up with chickens and the way they’re killed on a small farm isn’t much better and it could be spun to look even worse too, just like this video has probably done.
September 2, 2009 at 7:21 pm
If I had a choice myself between dying that way and dying after seven years of agony from cancer like my mother did, I’d choose the grinder. Anyone with even a hint of sense would.
I don’t see it as cruel. I see it as appealing to emotions, not intellect. People are just too quick to whine “oh, that looks terrible” instead of actually THINKING about whether it’s painful or not.
Veganism is immoral. We are naturally omnivores. Better every animal on Earth die in agony than one human die for any reason.
September 2, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Why can’t they just let the baby male chicks grow up and harvest them as chicken?
September 2, 2009 at 9:21 pm
“thought gay people were among the most compassionate souls in this world” — Um, dumbest comment I’ve ever read here. I’m compassionate, but not stupid, oblivious and unrealistic in regards to this matter.
1) Male chickens don’t have as much meat and can be more agressive; their ROI is too low to keep them alive
2) Vegetarians, get real! Meat is nature’s source of food for every animal on the planet, including us. Your poetic nature of loving “all living creatures” is cute, but not sustainable or healthy for all 300 million people in the United States.
There’s a reason humans are designed to a) chew meat and b) taste protein(s) like meat. It’s evolution and suddenly you think you’re smarter and better than others by forgoing meat altogether.
el polacko says
September 2, 2009 at 9:55 pm
there must be some way of anesthetizing the chicks before disposing of them. regardless of how quick it is, grinding them up alive and aware seems unnecessarily cruel.
September 2, 2009 at 10:14 pm
I won’t watch it because I’ll be shocked and cry.
I eat chicken on occasion.
I own a cat and she’s probably the most important thing in my life right now.
I just turned 30.
I abhor violence, torture and pain.
There are grey areas, lads.
September 2, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Animals do not to be killed to sustain humans. And how anyone reaches the conclusion that they have authority over any other living creature is beyond me. Also, don’t use the bullshit excuse that we have to kill each other to live. As humans, we have more than enough resources and knowledge to live on a plant based diet.
September 2, 2009 at 10:19 pm
FACT: Vegans live longer than omnivores (on average).
We don’t need to eat animals. It’s better for everyone when we don’t.
September 2, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Vegetarian and vegan diets produce healthier people.
Here is a cute video that illustrates the similarities between humans and herbivores: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05zhL1YUd8Q
p.s. It takes 5,000 gallons of water and 16 pounds of grain to produce 1 pound of meat, while growing 1 pound of wheat only requires 25 gallons. Also, maybe the solution to sustaining such a large population would be to downsize.
September 2, 2009 at 11:10 pm
A quick death in a grinder is not guaranteed. They could have a wing cut or a leg or two cut off first. That won’t hurt, will it? It’s certainly not cruel… (read with sarcasm).
That said, the vegans who recorded the video provided no solution other than suggesting you change your life to live they way they want you to. For that I suggest one of the plants deliver all of the male chicks to them and see what the vegans do with them. I think I saw somewhere that one plant could produce 130,000 a day… Would the vegans make sure they were all fed and cared for?
As for more useful suggestions, the males could go to an ag programs or be raised to feed the poor (without concern for profit). They could also add one step to the process – stun them before going into the grinder.
September 2, 2009 at 11:37 pm
The chicks have their beaks modified because otherwise they would peck each other to death, so they modify and take out the point in the beaks so the chickens don’t injure and harm each other.
I think that until humans are 100% at equal rights w/ one another, I’m not wasting my time getting up in arms because male chicks get killed in a grinder. Sorry. There are far more egregious human rights violations in the world. And humans are above all other animals, we are the only ones who have taken our thoughts to the next level and can communicate and express our emotions, who act with free will and not on instinct. Like it or not, we are the shit so to speak, so no, you can’t compare our human rights struggles w/ animals and the PETA crazies who do are delusional. A human life will always be more valuable than that of an animal. And as this video said, the killing of the chicks is the industry standard, as opposed to the type of animal cruelty Michael Vick performed by terrorizing his dogs. There is a difference.
September 3, 2009 at 1:56 am
There’s a big difference between that an grinding a poor chick to death, or is that too much to understand? Turn this into a bunch of kittens and see what the comments might be.
September 3, 2009 at 2:04 am
The idiocy on this board never ceases to amaze me.
Declanatl says “All major science and veterinary boards agree that this is the fastest and most humane way to euthanize.”
Right – you would really want to be ground to death? As I say, if this were kittens being ground to death the comments would be a lot different.
Even more idiotic is Blurgle’s comment “Veganism is immoral. We are naturally omnivores. Better every animal on Earth die in agony than one human die for any reason.”
If every (non human) animal died on earth, humans would be right behind them. And how can a choice of not eating any food possibly be “immoral.” I missed that part where eating chicken was part of a “moral” existence. what garbage! Grind up puppies and see what people have to say.
September 3, 2009 at 2:14 am
Every time I read comments here I swear I’ll never come back. James says “And humans are above all other animals, we are the only ones who have taken our thoughts to the next level and can communicate and express our emotions, who act with free will and not on instinct. Like it or not, we are the shit so to speak, so no, you can’t compare our human rights struggles w/ animals and the PETA crazies who do are delusional.”
Hey James, nobody was comparing the two. Why don’t you get down from your high horse, and put that “emotion” you’re so proud of to work , and actually consider what it must feel like to be ground to death. I think the point of the video was to point out the cruelty of GRINDING a poor chick to death. If you want to turn everything into an “until there’s a gay heaven on earth argument I don’t want to hear about it” go ahead, but as a previous comment said, compassion is a bottomless ocean. After reading too many ugly, frankly evil blase comments here about GRINDING chicks to death, that’s one good thing I can take away, because it is good to recognize again that compassion is truly bottomless if we chose to make it that way. Jacqueline – thank you for rescuing this disgusting thread.
September 3, 2009 at 3:43 am
The idiocy on this board never ceases to amaze me.”
Indeed Patrick, indeed. Your specious arguments are just as idiotic as many of the others here. The reason people would be justified in being more outraged over kittens and puppies being ground up rather than day old chicks is because the former are higher mammals with far more capacity for cognition than a chicken, whose brain is literally the size of a pea.
September 3, 2009 at 6:28 am
PETA=Rip Van Winkle. Funny how there biggest spokesperson is a drug/drink using, silicone filled,peroxide and botox using (which are all naturally made and processed). Oh yeah, lets not forget her work with young girls to help create positive body images; while giving all those young males whom over the years have great masturbatory materials from her, and love those young girls.
I eat chicken/meat, and I am well aware of what happens. God, because of this, I know they are all ahead of me in the line to heaven.
September 3, 2009 at 9:35 am
These animals are FOOD, people. They don’t have souls. They are here for our sustenance, nothing more. These idiots think everyone should go vegan…that’s INSANE.
Posted by: Lee Keels | Sep 2, 2009 11:25:13 AM
There are so many humane ways of killing for food, and animals do have souls. (Since your dealing with souls which hits on spiritual and/or religious aspects) Check out what the bible says about humane ways of killing for food, welfare of animals weither it’s domesticated or wild, as well as the book of Ecclesiates & Genesis talks about the soul/spirit of animals
September 3, 2009 at 4:30 pm
If you care about the male chicks then going local and organic isn’t enough. Even Polyface Farms kills useless male chicks.
Alex reffand says
September 3, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Take a moment to consider the following post, don’t just skip over it, because i would like to bring SEVERAL points to your attention:
This is just twisted, and an absolute outrage. Those of you saying this should be tolerated, let alone expected, kill yourselves. But those of you that think the only solution is going on a vegan diet are also completely insane. I’m not going to stop eating meat, period. Killing for food is different than murder. If I was presented with a human corpse, freshly dead, and it was the only thing I could eat, I would, without regret. I personally believe that criminals we execute should be ground into food as well. No, I’m not a cannibal, I’m not insane, I’m just fair. I’ve never eaten a human in my life, and I don’t plan to. I’m merely saying I wouldn’t have a problem doing so if I had to. That said, This kind of killing, no matter th species and no matter the reason, is wrong. there are plenty of cleaner, less painful, and even more efficient ways to handle these animals, and those of you that are about to say otherwise, just don’t. You’re retarded. Those of you saying that we shouldn’t eat meat because animals are our equals, don’t. You, too, are retarded. Animals eat each other all the time, it’s how nature works. But even lions snap the necks of their prey, a quick painless death. Why can’t we do the same? These animals can be treated better, and the ones we kill can be done so with much less barbaric methods.
In short, EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU IS FUCKING WRONG. DEAL WITH IT. Seriously, JESUS FUCKING CHRIST, Half of you need to grow a pair, and ALL of you need to learn to use your FUCKING BRAINS. This is the internet, a place where anonymous reigns supreme, but that does NOT give ANYONE the excuse to turn into a mindless, driveling douche as soon as Firefox starts up. I expected more from the homosexuals, who now more than ever should be proving their worth to shut up those miserable fucking conservatives. We all need to learn to THINK before we SPEAK. Humans as a species are all so far from reaching their potential, it was never funny. I’m relying on you, the oppressed, to set an example. PLEASE DO NOT DISAPPOINT ME!
*sigh* I’m sorry for the rant, and I did go off on a bit of a tangent, but seriously, some things just should NOT be controversial at all, and this is one of them, and if any of you thinks for more than five seconds, you’d realize that.
September 4, 2009 at 1:34 am
alex, you’re a moron sweetie. do us a favor and shut the fuck up.
Orion Hughes says
September 4, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Why are you so upset? Americans have a right to know facts about what we pay for. Did you expect this to remain a secret forever? Guess what – the more Americans find out – the more cheap egg sales are going to slip – and the more premium egg sales are going to go up. Dig it folks, we actually have Americans who are upset that the American consumer gets facts sometimes about what we pay for. Why is that wrong?
September 4, 2009 at 4:47 pm
There isnt just one way to produce eggs. While the premium egg products arent perfect – in fact alot of free-range eggs come from Hy-line chicks – but – the only way to create a market for slightly more expensive chicken products – is to pay for them. Americans enjoy not-knowing – but once we know – we can never not-know again. Information is vital – facts getting out is a GOOD thing. TOUGH!!
September 4, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Blake, don’t just tell me I’m wrong, tell me WHY I’m wrong.
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