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Uganda Bill to Drop Death Penalty, Life Imprisonment for Gays

Some sort of anti-gay bill will be presented to the Ugandan parliament in two weeks, but it won't include the death penalty or life imprisonment as penalties, according to Bloomberg:

Uganda "The draft bill, which is under consideration by a parliamentary committee, will drop the two punishments to attract the support of religious leaders who are opposed to these penalties, Buturo said today in a phone interview from the capital, Kampala. Ugandan lawmaker David Bahati presented a private member’s bill on Oct. 14 which sought the death penalty and life imprisonment for gay people in the country. The Ugandan government supports the bill because homosexuality and lesbianism are 'repugnant to the Ugandan culture,' Buturo said. Still, it favors a more refined set of punishments, he said. In addition to formulating punishments for the gay people, the bill will also promote counseling to help 'attract errant people to acceptable sexual orientation,' said Buturo."

A "refined" set of punishments in addition to forced conversion. Wonder what that means. Castration? Caning? A year-long internship with Rick Warren?

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  1. This bill is vile. The people who wrote it are no better than Himmler, Göring or Mengele.

    Posted by: Aaron Akins | Dec 9, 2009 7:15:50 PM


  2. This bill makes me want to hire a plane to fly over Uganda so I can bombard the country with 'care packages' filled with condoms, lube and gay porn. Hopefully one of them will fall on David Bahati's house.

    Posted by: peterparker | Dec 9, 2009 7:27:02 PM


  3. Still a much better outcome than most people expected. Once this made it into the international press and diplomatic efforts stepped up, the government responded. Not perfectly, obviously, but a major improvement. This puts Uganda in line with many of its neighbors in Africa and the Middle East.

    This bill has been the focus of international discussion on Uganda for a while, and I suspect even they were getting tired of it.

    Posted by: Paul R | Dec 9, 2009 7:27:25 PM


  4. Filthy backward cunts. Just drop a thermonuclear device on it and put it out of it's pernicious misery.

    Posted by: John in Boston | Dec 9, 2009 7:39:26 PM


  5. John in Boston, once you call for bombs to be dropped on white countries where homophibia is also prevalent then I won't think you're a racist. But you haven't.

    Posted by: sugarrhill | Dec 9, 2009 7:49:51 PM


  6. We are in a Fight for out lives not only here in the US but all over the world While I don't think a thermonuclear device is right I have had the same thought. I think we should cut them off from the US and all those senators and congress people should get in some kind of trouble back here if they go over there

    Posted by: Kevzim | Dec 9, 2009 7:56:53 PM


  7. I'm rather surprised they didn't go through with it.

    Could they have been vouchsafed that the billions in U.S. "foreign aid" they get annually would be imperilled by such legalized genocide?

    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Dec 9, 2009 7:57:52 PM


  8. Wow. Just, wow. The bill was outrageous, and got the kind of scorn internationally it deserved. Anger is an appropriate response. Some of the responses here (thermonuclear device? really?) are pretty awful, though, and just further evidence that we have a long way to go before before we have a coherent, intelligent or informed movement.

    One step would be to understand how homophobia works in Uganda, how it has made the headway it has, and how this bill specifically made its way through the system. But yeah, that might be too hard and require more than reading soundbites and links from a general interest/gossip site.


    And no, Uganda doesn't get "billions in U.S. foreign aid". Millions, yes. Why do you think Hillary Clinton and most of our international spokespeople gave their opinion on this issue?

    Posted by: Julien | Dec 9, 2009 8:11:40 PM


  9. David - Tammy Baldwin and several other members of the House sent a letter to Sec. State Clinton about this bill. You can read the letter, and the State Dept.'s response, at globalequality.org. I'd say the threat to withdraw funding had a lot to do with it. Foreign aid makes up a huge portion of Uganda's budget.

    "More refined" or not, this bill is still a huge violation of basic human rights.

    Posted by: Aaron Akins | Dec 9, 2009 8:18:47 PM


  10. I guess you city slickers are unfamiliar with hyperbole.

    My backward cunts description stands.

    Posted by: John in Boston | Dec 9, 2009 8:21:40 PM


  11. Hundreds of millions, certainly.

    Possibly over a billion.

    Last year, $11 billion of the funding to fight AIDS in Africa went to 15 countries. Uganda was one of those countries. Assuming it was divided fairly evenly, Uganda got at least $700 million. According to the Department of State, U.S. food aide to Uganda accounts for an additional $200 million every year. The country also receives an unspecified amount of economic development aide from the United States, although some of that comes in the form of loans from the IMF and World Bank.

    Posted by: John | Dec 9, 2009 8:26:03 PM


  12. And so the world has lost another truth - Uganda's homophobia -- now hidden with lies out of greed and cowardice.

    Gays are still likely to be arrested in Uganda - and are still likely to die in prison from either indifference or mistreatment -- so dropping the provisions from the bill really means nothing. Whether injustice and suffering and death are codified by law - or simply happen behind government's closed doors - does not mitigate the suffering or the dying.

    The outcome will be the same - it will be disguised by carefully orchestrated lies brought to the world by Uganda's fundamental lack of honor, decency, or dignity - all too willing to grovel on their knees for the almighty foreign currency. Such a proud proud people - until the world reminded them they are nothing.

    Still, there is some cause for celebration - now they at least have to go to the effort to lie - there is some victory in that. Soon - if they get good enough at lying - they can legitimately claim to be a Christian Nation.

    Hate hidden with lies - Rick Warren's work there is done.

    Posted by: ricky | Dec 9, 2009 8:34:49 PM


  13. Well the good news is that having the law on the books means that Ugandan gay people could come to the US and much more easily put in an asylum claim. Few countries that are so brutal and backwards even bother to make their evil so clearly written into law. That makes an asylum claim far easier... Definitely worth finding a way out of that hell hole!

    Posted by: S.W. | Dec 9, 2009 8:39:38 PM


  14. uh kiddos --- understand the rage BUT it has only been 6 years -- yes only 6 -- since 21 states were told by a razor think majority on the Supreme Court that they can not enforce laws making being gay illegal (sodomy laws).

    Scalia and Thomas both voted to keep the laws.

    The 21 states - yes 21 - have kept the laws on the books waiting until the day they can enforce them again.

    ... and gays still vote Republican. Disgusting.

    Posted by: rjp3 | Dec 9, 2009 10:33:49 PM


  15. what in the third world is going on there?

    Posted by: Gino | Dec 9, 2009 11:41:21 PM


  16. Maybe we should just start an underground railroad for those gays that want to leave.

    But I kind of like the idea of bombing them too.

    And any "white" country that feels the same way and I say we start with the Pope, that sanctimonious hypocrite.

    Posted by: Bobby | Dec 9, 2009 11:43:25 PM


  17. Oh no Bobby, John in Boston would'nt like that you see idiots of his ilk always says it's not who does it but which group does it more....

    In other words to him I know The Pope hates us gays. But to John In Boston there's an understanding that it's not really hate HMMMMM. But as for those africans as he just said in a earlier post

    "Filthy backward cunts. Just drop a thermonuclear device on it and put it out of it's pernicious misery."

    I guess he meant his mother since she looks at him and says WOW.....how could I have such a hateful child. Then again she knows. He only speaks of what they taught him.

    Oh John In Boston...You billigerant asshole!

    Posted by: Matty In NY | Dec 10, 2009 12:46:39 AM


  18. Uganda have a long (long, long, long) record of human rights abuse. Remember Idi Amin anyone? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idi_Amin) So yeap, that country, the same one.
    So, as you can see, Idi Amin portrayed what's likely to be "Ugandan culture", and obviously he didn't cause much of repulsion. Guess what happened afterwards. Oh yes, over there, where history is gracefully forgotten.

    Posted by: Lexxvs | Dec 10, 2009 1:01:06 AM


  19. We are talking about a country in an area of Africa, where ethnic tensions are rife, remember Kenya, Rwanda, and yes Uganda, Is it possible this bill is to deflect hatred towards to gays as opposed to other inter tribal issues? Foreign aid being withheld is probabley a BIG factor after all money speaks louder than words, as well a week and a half ago Uganda attended the Commonwealth heads of state conference in Trinidad, and possibliby got an earful from the UK, Australia, Canada, and New Zealand all who contribute vast sums of cash to help a felloow member.

    Posted by: Darrell | Dec 10, 2009 11:15:58 AM


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