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  1. Michael S. says

    This is the gibberish, but one could at least point out that as a senator he was responsible for marriage equality only on the level of civil rights, not of morality or religion—in which responsibility he obviously failed, as well as in the responsibility to explain his actions in something besides gibberish.

  2. 24play says

    Why is it BS to vote the way a majority of your constituents would like you to vote? Don’t we elect legislators to represent our interests? I know I do.

    Yes, it’s always preferable for a legislator to do the right thing, particularly when civil rights are on the line. But Addabbo did what you would expect any legislator to do: He voted the way he thought would get him re-elected.

    The fact is, we failed to make the calls, send the emails, and hold the protests necessary to persuade Addabbo that it would be in his best interest to vote for gay marriage. We didn’t do the work, and we share the blame for his no vote.

    But Addabbo remains a gettable vote on this issue. So, if mounting a primary challenge from his left fails (and in his district it probably will), we need to do the work next time to change his vote.

    As for whether Addabbo’s vote matches his city council voting record, that’s immaterial. His senate district is much larger and much more conservative. If we’re not complaining that Kirsten Gillibrand made an abrupt left turn—including becoming a relatively outspoken advocate for LGBT rights—after being elevated to the US Senate, we can hardly complain that Addabbo moved to the right on our issues when he began to represent a larger, more conservative senate district.

    Stop whining. Learn something from this defeat. And pledge to do better next time.

  3. sharon says

    Defeat the hate, defeat the 8 !!!
    we should make sure all 8 democratic senators that voted NO are defeated in the next election.

  4. BrooklynD says

    I would love to hear him explain what he meant by talking about marriage equality on a “morality” level.

  5. Tim says

    What a bunch of political gibberish. He makes it sound as if his constituents are overwhelmingly opposed to marriage equality, yet a Marist Poll yesterday showed overwhelming support in NYC.

    If he looks at the issue from the points of view he mentioned — civil rights, morality, religious — one should not supersede the other. From a moral and civil rights point of view, there is no reason for him not to vote yes, unless he unwittingly just expressed what he truly feels in his evil heart — gays and lesbians are “immoral.” As for a religious point of view, which religion is he representing? We can all rattle off the names of many faiths and religious leaders who are in favor of marriage equality.

    Addabbo and the other seven Democrats are cowards. Among the Republicans, there was not even one profile in courage. They sold their gay and lesbian constituents out for their own political self-preservation.

    This MUST be remembered during the primaries and general election next year.

  6. 24play says

    Tim,

    Do you have any poll results from Addabbo’s Senate district? I imagine voters in his conservative district are largely opposed to same-sex marriage.

  7. MCnNYC says

    Not one penny to the STATE DEMOCRATIC PARTY or County Party….Target individual candidates only and DEFEAT THE HATE 38 of which this Sen. is a proud member of.

    EVERY NYC Democrat who voted NO needs to be targeted and we should make sure our allies are reelected but also make sure these HATE 8 are not given any leadership position within the party or senate.

    And the coward Mike Bloomberg should apologize for his behavior to the LGBT community. ONE AGAIN.

  8. James says

    24Play, thats bullshit.

    It’s my fault that I’m not an equal to my neighbors because I have to make the calls to persuade people as such? This kind of attitude is part of the problem, not the solution. Why do I need to pledge to do better next time? I’m on the side that’s right because it presents all people as equal. Addabbo is a disgrace to the principals he pretends to represent.

    Elected officials aren’t elected to represent the majority of their constituents opinions. If that was the case every issue would be put to a public vote. They are elected to protect the rights, responsibilities and freedoms of ALL the people in their district. We have to stop blaming ourselves for other people’s irrational fears and make it known we are taking names and holding people accountable.

  9. walter says

    BULL SHIT like everything else coming out of
    new york state senate send this man to the unemployment office and remember this when he shows up looking for money

  10. daftpunkydavid says

    i can’t bring myself to listening to this guy, so it’s without full knowledge of what he said that i’ll say i don’t give a rat’s ass. you’re going down bitch.

  11. Baby Jane says

    If he has a single gay person in his district, then he did not vote for the benefit of everyone in his district. What the majority of people want is not always the best interest for everyone at hand.

  12. Got the Dirt says

    A compromising picture of Sen. Carl Kruger has emerged along with a letter explaining the circumstances. It was delivered to a friend who writes a non-political blog, but is an out gay man. He is scared to release the photo due to legal repurcussions. He called the Senator’s office to see if the Senator would comment on it. The man that answered said that “No, he will not.” We have the dirt. My friend is as angry as all of us, but very apprehensive about this situation.

  13. 24play says

    James,

    You seem to be very naive.

    Addabbo was a gettable vote and we failed to do the work to secure that vote.

    If you think the US or NY constitution is going to automatically secure your rights, you’re insane. Civil rights must be demanded and fought for.

  14. rafi says

    24PLAY,

    When a politician does the wrong thing it is absolutely necessary to call him out on it. I don’t understand the logic behind accommodating an elected official’s selfishness — why not expect better from them?

    And as James said, politicians do not always vote the way of their constituents. They trumpet that ideal when they need political cover, or when their personal beliefs align with their constituents’ anyway.

    That aside, this wasn’t a simple “no” vote, and that wasn’t what was so disgusting about his behavior. What he did wrong, very clearly, was SEEK OUT and then accept endorsements and donations from gay activists and organizations. To do that and lead them on when you have no intention of backing them later is repugnant.

  15. TANK says

    Got the dirt, I think your claims are suspect. If your friend had the photos, he’d pull the trigger. Consider you and your “friend’s” bluff called.

    This guy advocates for tyranny of the majority. He apparently won by a hair’s breadth, and was generously financed by lgbt donors. He is going down…in flames.

  16. Jonathan says

    We’re supposedly a constitutional republic, so elected officials can protect our civil rights when their constituents are a bunch of assholes that would steal them from us at the ballot box. That would require bureaucrats to have principles, a backbone, and an understanding of personal liberty though.

  17. Chitown Kev says

    @Tank

    See, that’s what I’m talking about.

    He sure liked to take that gay money when it came his way. Granted he took a lot of other money from non-gay sources, of course.

    And damn near every black legislator in the NY State Senate that voted for this bill probably received more “no” calls than “yes” calls; Senate President Malcolm Smith has talked about how his views differ from his pastor’s, Floyd Flake’s as well as his own constituency. Yet 9 out of 11 black senators voted yes.

    Addabobo’s excuse is bullshit. Primary his ass.

  18. RC in Brooklyn says

    Addabbo proved that he was NOT a gettable vote. I’m tired of apologists and critics of the movement.

    He needs to be defeated. The LGBT community needs to strongly fund his challenger.

  19. Warren says

    Hello asshole, anyone can call your office and say their opposed from anywhere in the world. There is NO way 74% of “your district” called you that’s how dense you are. And BTW the 23k you got from gay groups last year will most certainly increase in 2010 to oust your ass to the cheers of civil rights proponents.

    Try leading instead of being lead, disgusting. This is why NOM is laughing their asses off, they hire guns in straight drag to scare you and you actually believe it’s true. You are clueless!

  20. James says

    24PLAY, thanks for calling me naive. :)

    ‘Addabbo was a gettable vote and we failed to do the work to secure that vote.’ Note the “we” in that statement. This is classic battered wife syndrome. ‘He hit me because I deserved it, but if I’m good he won’t hit me no more’.

    I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR GETTING OTHERS TO BELIEVE I AM EQUAL TO THEM. The constitution is designed to secure and protect my rights, no matter how ‘insane’ it is politically to expect that.

  21. 24play says

    RC,

    First we have to find a challenger to Addabbo’s left. Then we have to help him win the Democratic primary in a district that includes Howard Beach, Ozone Park, Woodhaven, Glendale, Maspeth, Middle Village and parts of South Ozone Park, Ridgewood, Rego Park and Sunnyside.

    The heart of that district is Archie Bunker territory. Before Addobbo, it was represented by vocally anti-gay fossil Serphin Maltese for 9 terms.

    We’ve got our work cut out for us. Which is why we’ve got to keep one eye on the possibility that Addobbo keeps his seat and we’ll need to persuade him to vote for us next time.

  22. ED2 says

    “…i didn’t indicate either way…”

    This is ridiculous & listening to his doublespeak is transparently bull. He knew far before that he would have voted no. Why wait & do it this way?

  23. says

    Every gay person and equality ally in his district should have contacted him by phone, letter, e-mails etc. to voice their support for a yes vote on marriage. That’s our responsibility. That said, legislators are supposed to do more than base their votes on the whims of the majority, particularly on civil rights issues. They are supposed to also have a conscience and a sense of what’s right and a sense of history. They are supposed to stand up for justice.

    “this transcends the idea of equal rights . . . ” What the hell does that mean? His statement is pure gobbledygook. Either you believe in civil marriage equality or you don’t. Take a stand, Senator. Your constituents will come around, and if they don’t, you will be on the right side of history. My greatest respect goes out to politicians who stick their necks out for equality because they know it’s the right thing to do. I’ve met them (during our VT vote) so I know it’s possible, but Sen. Addabbo seems not to be in this league, yet.

  24. Bruno says

    It seems like a lot of attention has been spent on Monseratte, Addabbo and Kruger. New Yorkers shouldn’t stop there. Where’s the backlash against Huntley, who was once quote as saying something like “I wouldn’t vote for this if you gave me a million dollars tax free”? The more of these politicians that are “outed” as bigots in the next week, the better, so that their counterparts in New Jersey can see what happens when you smack the LGBT community in the face.

  25. Allan in NYC says

    Here’s his official statement that he emailed people after his vote :

    “Thank You for contacting my office. Below is my statement regarding my vote on marriage equality.

    ‘This is a sensitive issue to many of my residents and the decision-making process for me has been a tough one, considering all the opinions I’ve heard from inside and outside of my district. During the past several months, I’ve kept an open mind on the issue and heard from so many of my constituents both pro and con on the issue. Some 70% of the people in my district told me that to vote “no” today was the way they overwhelmingly wanted me to cast my vote.

    I have always believed that I work for my people and I am their respective voice in Albany. My constituents weighed in strongly with their opinions to my office and with my vote today, they know I’ve heard them and they assisted me in making my decision.’

    As a resident of Ozone Park I am outraged. Really wanna make an impact? Head over to his house in Tudor Village to show that the gay community exists in Southern Queens.

  26. Peter says

    This is complete rubbish. First I live in that district, and while it is fair to say it has more conservative voters than his City Council District it is not nearly as conservative as people think. The District is evolving, which is a big reason why the Republican got voted out. Plus the district reaches North into more liberal Forest Hills and Rego Park where I live, so that is not as much a part of the story as he would like peole to think.

    Secondly, his claim is rather badly logically flawed. Given his votes on the City Council and the significant support he received and accepted from the LGBT community when he ran for the Senate, many people were likely to consider his vote a safe one and not feel it necessary to call him [a mistake that I hope we do not repeat in the future]. Whereas, opponents to the bill would have been motivated to call him in an attempt to “change” his mind. So of course the majoirty of people calling him opposed the bill, but that in no way equates with the idea that a majority of his constituency opposed the bill.

    Further, there are 300,000 people in the district. He has made reference in other statements to just some 400 letters he received from constituents. This is a hot topic that has received a lot of press yet despite his known favorable LGBT voting record, 99.87% of his consitutency did not feel motivated enough to lobby him to voter “no.” So he can hardly claim a mandate for his vote based on the supposed wishes of his “constituency.”

    Lastly as so many have pointed out, this is just a failure of leadership and betrayal of those who have supported him in the past. Women would not have the right to vote, Jim Crow Laws would still be on the books and forget the Civil Rights Acts if legislators limited themselves to an automatic, unthinking compliance with the expressed wishes of their constituencies. When deciding whether or not to build a highway through the middle of town you listen to the majority; when deciding fundamental questions of civil rights you listen to the Constitution and you make logic and legally based policy decisions. You do not allow yourself to be ruled by the ignorance and bigotry of the majority. We would all still be thinking the bloody world was flat if that wasn’t true.

  27. bobbyjoe says

    Out of those supposed 400 calls, 398 were probably directly from NOM flacks. It’s just an excuse from Addabbo. You can bet Addabbo got the call many others did from NOM saying “if you vote ‘yes,” we’re gonna pour our mysteriously big money [cough, cough, Mormons, cough, cough] into defeating you.” Basically, Addabbo let himself be blackmailed.

    I hate to keep sounding like a broken record, but NOM is mostly a front for the Mormon leadership. If we want this to stop, we have to make it clear to the Mormons that if they don’t cut it out, we’re going to start making sure the spotlight is nationally shined on issues THEY really don’t want to talk about, not just on us.

    So while they’re pouring money into trying to deny us our rights, we’ll just pour our time and money into a little unwanted Mormon history lesson for the rest of the country. How ’bout we start with their history on race?

  28. Jon says

    Peter:

    Excellent post, but Addabo actually claimed to have received 400 communications in toto. 300 of those urged him to vote no, and 100 urged a yes vote. So the percentage of constituents urging a no vote is even less than the .13% you mention above.

    Also worth noting is that the area comprising his senatorial district is also represented by 4 assemblymen. 3 out of those 4 voted “yes”.

    To the troll trying to justify this vote on the grounds that Addabo represents “Archie Bunker” country: that cultural reference is 35 years old. The demographics of entire borough of Queens has changed multiple times since the early 1970s. Some of the areas in his district, including Sunnyside, are quite liberal.

  29. MiddleOfTheRoader says

    This guy is pathetic. On many of the great ‘conscience’ issues in history, he probably would have voted in favor of slavery, against voting rights for women, and against US entry into WW II if that’s what “74% of his district” wanted him to do. It’s interesting that in his 18 minutes of BS on the WNYC interview, not once did he even admit that the vote on same-sex marriage should have been a “conscience” vote — he couldn’t admit that because he clearly has no conscience. One could have respected his NO vote (and soundly criticized it) if it was based on “conscience” — but he is an example of the worst of politicians whose primary goal is to get himself re-elected, even if it means sacrificing his “conscience”. Let’s hope he loses re-election, but even if he doesn’t, his “reward” for his vote will be that history, including his children and grandchildren, will view his vote AND HIS EXPLANATION as a “Profile in Cowardice”.

  30. peterparker says

    Someone should do a mashup of this guy’s speech mixed with that Teen Miss America’s answer to the question about geography in which she went on at length (and without making an ounce of sense) about the need to give everyone maps.

  31. Chitown Kev says

    @Bruno

    While I agree that Shirley Huntley should be primaried if that’s feasible, at least we knew where she stood pretty much from the get go (that million dollar quote is months old).

  32. Ronnie Bush says

    You come and bring it homo’s I have no repsect for any man who sucks cock.
    Joe Addabbo is the last reall good politician left in this shitty pathetic liberal scum of a city filled with dumb niggers, queers, and waste of life. Once a He’s out of off office. All decent hardworking normalpeople with common sense will be gone from this city and off to Places down south where common sense thrives. It will be the end of what once was a proud normal city and the beginning of a third world setpic tank non english speaking crime ridden city with all you dumb liberal shitheads crying for the old days to come back when your getting mugged on the streets by the same people you let in. God bless america gold bless old New York for what it once was. Fuck alla fuck muslims fuck democrats fuck republicans fuck liebrals fuck the HOMO’S.
    lONG LIVE THE JESUS CONSERVATIVE AMERICAN
    THE AMERICAN WITH BRAINS AND BALLS.
    p.s. fuck all queers who are scared of voicing there opinions this in the colored neighborhoods where there equally hated

  33. donna says

    Let me tell you how full of it Joe Addabbo is I live next door to him and he told me he would vote yes. 74% that is a laugh. He was suppose to come next door to all our houses last night and see the kids dressed as Santa he by passed my house for the first time I guess gay people don’t even deserve to take a picture with a lying Santa.