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CNN paid a visit to GOProud, the Gay Republican group taking part in CPAC. In the clip, the group gives a friendly handshake to NOM.

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  1. @Grabbinn...

    The 'argument' is as plain as the reality of the content displayed in ths clip... the VAST MAJORITY of CPAC attendees were upset that the gays had co-sponsored/"crashed" their little private party... again, 2 booths down, NOM, actively working against our right to have legal recognition for our relationships, and the other "spokesperson" asserting that our relations are responsible for the downfall of civilization. I'm sure there are dozens if not hundreds of examples of similar anti-gay sentiment RAMPANT at CPAC.

    I'm trying not to insult you, but what more proof do you require? A literal bashing to take place?

    How is this any different from a watered-down version of a black person co-funding a KKK event? Or a jewish person contributing to Al Queida? Answer...it's not!

    What 'conservative' values and/or activism have contributed IN ANY WAY to LGBT freedoms, rights, and progress? Please, name these advances that were co-sponsored, lead by, or achieved by gay conservatives that have benefitted the lives of LGBT people? Name them...Where are they? THEY DON'T EXIST!

    I would assert it is only the "right" to stay closeted, to remain second class citizens without complaint or redress, the right to settle for crumbs tossed by the generousity of our kindhearted 'christian' rulers, the right to be bashed, insulted, and harassed without consequence.

    Be a gay conservative, attend CPAC, fine, that's your right as an American...but if you do these things AND expect the support and encouragement of the remainder of the LGBT community, you are seriously misguided.

    Gays should support CPAC like women should support the Taliban. Sorry, but I have to tell you to wake up.

    Love what the earlier post said...

    "Gay Republicans? I prefer traditional S&M."

    Hilarious!...and oh so true.

    Posted by: Dennis | Feb 19, 2010 12:45:43 PM


  2. Actually, the democratic party has an amazing record on gay rights, just not on the federal level, although they still beat the republicans 3-0 in that regard. If you look at what the democratic party has accomplished at the state and local level, you wouldn't be so hard pressed to claim the democratic party does nothing for the gay community. As a political party, they've been at the forefront.

    Posted by: White!Onthefloor | Feb 19, 2010 12:57:44 PM


  3. @Grabbenewscum: As a very good (former) friend of mine who was Tom Delay's chief of staff advised me when I called her on supporting the GOP and it's hateful agenda: Don't take it personally. We don't dislike you because you are a gay republican. We don't like you because you are a republican. I mean really? Take the gay thing off the table, and look at what that party has done to this country. You can trot out all of the conservative policies that you and yours support, and then we'll all reflect on the complete and utter failure of those policies over the past decade. Grow up and learn to love your country again.

    Posted by: Kyle | Feb 19, 2010 12:57:55 PM


  4. Also,Grabbin, you're right about your small history lesson but remember that change that racial shift in the 60s and 70s with the Southern Strategy never reversed and the Republican party to this day has never apologized or regretted it. Since the 60s the republican party has only existed to unabashedly protect to wealth and power of the heterosexual upperclass white male.

    Posted by: White!Onthefloor | Feb 19, 2010 1:02:58 PM


  5. @White

    Apologize for it?

    Not a chance.

    Hell, they are still doing it. The so-called "Southern Strategy" is very much alive and kicking today. Although it is no longer limited to just the South. Look at the composition of these tea parties for instance. Even at the events in Los Angeles and San Francisco - two cities known for racial diversity - you had crowds of 2,000 or 3,000 people that were almost all white. And completely oblivious to the irony, many of them were holding up signs with pictures of Obama as Adolf Hitler.

    Posted by: John | Feb 19, 2010 1:11:37 PM


  6. Grabbin,

    I love when Republicans point to Democratic Dixiecrats of the sixties--as if that makes the Republican full embrace of these same racists OK.

    The civil rights movement was not a triumph of the Democratic party, it was a triumph of liberalism. Conservatives opposed it, mainly in the South, but all over. Don't ever forget that these dixiecrats left the Democratic party and became Republicans (they were ALWAYS conservative.)

    But you are right that parties change and undergo realignment.

    Posted by: Jane Roe | Feb 19, 2010 1:23:32 PM


  7. Irony has always been one of my favorite dishes.

    GOProud, to a group of people who try to fit into a group that openly hates them.

    Then there is DIGNITY, a group of disillusioned Catholics, trying to change the church 'from the inside'. Whose leader, our dear Pope in Prada, calls them EVIL.

    Good luck people, let me know how that works out for you.

    Posted by: patrick nyc | Feb 19, 2010 1:27:42 PM


  8. GRABBINEWSCUM, you're playing fast a loose with the facts. The Democratic Party was NEVER the party of racism. Granted, it was the Republican Party that fought most strongly for abolition, but to act as if the modern Republican Party in any way resembles the Republican Party of Lincoln would require delusion. You're making some of the same misinformed assumptions that many conservatives make when trying to defend the modern Republican record on civil rights and social justice. For example, through the 50's, 60's and into the seventies, there was a very visible contingent of Democrats who were on the front lines of racism. They were Southern Democrats called "Dixiecrats". They were never the majority and they were accepted in the greater party with noses held in the same way the Democratic Party accepts Blue Dog Democrats today. These Dixiecrats joined Republicans in fighting the Civil Rights Movement. During the Reagan administration these Dixiecrats, almost TO A MAN/WOMAN, left the Democratic Party and joined the Republican Party, specifically because of the Democrats' social justice platforms. That is precisely when the Republican Party went off the rails as an extension of the Southern Baptist Church. I know this to be true because I am a former Southern Baptist Republican from Mississippi (son of fundamentalist, racist, homophobic Dixiecrats who became Republican under Reagan) and I witnessed this with my own eyes.

    I think the bottom line here is not whether it's a noble thing to try to change the Republican Party from the inside. I believe it is. It's not even whether or not one can be conservative and gay. In my opinion the two important things to consider are: 1. Is the current manifestation of the Republican Party actually conservative in a traditional sense as you and others claim? Does it still believe in fiscal responsibility, personal freedom/responsibility, state's rights, aversion to "nation building" and other things that have traditionally been the foundation for conservative ideology? I challenge you to look at the years where G. W. Bush was President with a Republican congress and make the argument that they represented these values. and 2.) What have the Log Cabin Republicans (in 30+ years) and GOProud accomplished in THEIR OWN stated goal to make the Republican Party more understanding and supportive of the gay community? Name ONE single years since 1977 where the Republican Party was more gay positive than the previous year. Better yet, name ONE single year that the Republican Party wasn't MORE anti-gay than the previous year. By ANY standard of measure Log Cabin Republicans (of which I used to be one) and GOProud, BY THEIR OWN STATED MISSION, have been dismal failures.

    I support these organizations in their goals but I believe they must admit that their methods have been terribly ineffective and devise new strategies. I don't see that happening. They are too busy defending the indefensible to turn a critical eye on themselves the way, as you noted, gay Democrats, in ever increasing numbers, are.

    You asked for a civil, respectful response. I believe I have provided it.

    Posted by: TampaZeke | Feb 19, 2010 1:30:07 PM


  9. It is not an inherent contradiction for someone to be black and gay. It is, however, an inherent contradiction to be black and gay and continue to affiliate with homophobic black churches. That would be the appropriate analogy to being gay and Republican.

    Of course, now someone will argue that how else should black gay people try to create change within the predominantly straight homophobic black church except by standing your ground and being actively visible and vocal as a proud gay black person?

    Exactly.

    Now apply that same logic to gay people who stand up for their beliefs and values and decide to take a stand within the Republican party, and you're closer to enlightenment.

    Posted by: GrabbinNewscum | Feb 19, 2010 1:58:50 PM


  10. Sorry Grabbin', TAMPAZEKE's logic trumps your thoroughly!

    Posted by: CKNJ | Feb 19, 2010 2:06:54 PM


  11. @CKNJ: Great to see how truthiness is more important to you than reason-based debate.

    @the anti-political diversity caucus:
    The question is not whether Republicans deserve to be graced with your queenly presence (most don't), but whether or not you should turn down an opportunity to win new hearts and minds. I have no doubt that GOProud and others are setting the groundwork for an LGBT-friendly Republican party in future. How can anyone not support this?

    Furthermore, parties with monopolies on LGBT politics don't feel compelled to act in our favor. They do the absolute minimum to remain preferable to the other side. As anyone can see, the Democratic dominance on LGBT politics has lead to no progress in the past year. And no reasonable person is anticipating DOMA repeal before 2012. 4 years of undivided Republican government lead to no changes on the federal level, so Republicans aren't that much worse at a federal level. This is why changing Republican attitudes is important. GOProud should have our support for this reason if no other.

    Posted by: PaladinDave | Feb 19, 2010 2:38:28 PM


  12. These guys would be libertarians except that there are fewer libertarians than gays--which is saying a lot! Anyway, the Cato institute should hire them.

    Posted by: anon | Feb 19, 2010 3:05:26 PM


  13. whatever. you don't make change by making nice with terrorists. shoot 'em. shoot 'em all. and fuck all you hand wringing bitches worried about having a conversation with these 'people' - they are not human beings. they are beneath contempt.

    Posted by: WTF | Feb 19, 2010 3:06:28 PM


  14. I think John hit the nail on the head. If sexual orientation is a non-issue in the conservative movement as the LCRs and GOPROUDers have insisted by deed and rhetoric, why on earth have a group that identifies sexual orientation as significant within that movement? IT doesn't make sense. If sexual orientation isn't important or even nearly as important as other issues, why bother to form a group identifying the sexual orientation of its members? Why not just be republican? It seems like a transparent tactic to improve the appearance of the republican party while not changing the content.

    These groups have not changed any republican minds on this issue, and one could argue convincingly that the republican party has become more homophobic in spite of the presence and efforts of the LCR, and goprouders. So obviously change from within isn't going to happen. So that's no answer to the questions posed above.

    I've said it before. If you're a gay republican, you don't care a jot about gay rights. So why not just be a republican? Your homosexuality has nothing to do with your political affiliation. I don't consider those people to be gay, either; instead, they're just homosexual. I hope that they marry women, actually, and live closeted lives where the only avenue to relieve their sexual frustration comes in the form of craigslist. Many of them already do that, however. The very existence of gay republicans is inconsistent by their own reasoning.

    Posted by: TANK | Feb 19, 2010 3:13:01 PM


  15. One comment on the video stood out...which basically trumps all of the typical GOP minutia being flung like chimp scat in here. At the 1:48 second mark, the young GOP woman states, and im paraphrasing "...people should be allowed to do as the want in their lives, and live with the consequences..."
    There it is folks...basically saying.."you can go ahead and be openly gay, but face the consequences.." And in the conservative mind, that runs the gauntlet from job loss, denial of benefits, all the way to physical attack and murder.
    And THAT, is what its all about with the gay repubs. They decided long ago, probably with help from their conservative friends and family, that to avoid any consequences of their "sexual preference" as many of them call it, they will just play by the GOP rulebook, claiming its because the policy is better (a fact disputed by the last two republican administrations)
    Its called fear people, the same way in high school the closeted gay kid would beat up the perceived queer with his buddies to maintain his status, these Log Cabin/GOProuders claim to be fighting from the inside. When? Where? and what has been accomplished? As has been stated already, the Dems, for whom I am no fan (registered Independant, thank you) have at least made some strides in civil rights and protections for not just LGBT, but all minorities, and also woman.
    GOP'ers long for the old days...namely the 1950s. Those, in there mind, were the golden days of "real America".
    Hmm...u must ask yourself, where you would be sitting in 1950's America?

    Posted by: JT | Feb 19, 2010 3:37:12 PM


  16. GOProud gets my sympathy, not my respect.

    Because they stand up for what they believe in, they deserve respect? Um, no. Because they actively support a party that has systematically targeted gay men and women, they deserve our contempt.

    Yes, it would be nice if the whole "Gay republicans are trying to change the party from the inside" line of bullshit was anything but. The truth is that the Log Cabin Republicans combined with this new offshoot (or whatever) GoProud, hasn't effected positive gay change in the republican party since their inceptions.

    It's sad really.

    Posted by: Leonard | Feb 19, 2010 5:05:43 PM


  17. My favorite statement was from the NOM man who said gays don't have the right to redefine the word marriage for others. Who gave him the right to define the word for others then?

    Posted by: Brian | Feb 19, 2010 7:02:41 PM


  18. Insofar as they could change GOP hearts and minds, more power to them to stand up to the face of a party that wants no part of them -- at best. The nicest thing you can say about today's Republicans is they'd simply prefer it if you went back into the closet so deeply, you may as well be registered to vote in Narnia.

    But I read that GOProud were touting "Dick Cheney in 2012" stickers? Really??

    In that case, eff them and the horse they rode in on. No more torture-loving rat bastards near in positions of power, thanks.

    Posted by: AG | Feb 19, 2010 7:07:08 PM


  19. I agree Arundel

    Posted by: G | Feb 19, 2010 7:11:49 PM


  20. gay republicans = GROSS!

    Posted by: Roberto | Feb 19, 2010 8:40:27 PM


  21. Its funny. We are for inclusion and the freedom to be who we are yet so many people on this message board are so intolerant of gay republicans. Surly we have the right to choose any political party we wish. We are all different and shouldnt have to fit a stereotypical mold to be accepted.

    Posted by: Doug M | Feb 19, 2010 10:01:36 PM


  22. It's like they are the Jews in 1930's Berlin. "Oh, they'll leave us alone after they get in charge and settled down." Better pack their bags.

    Posted by: James Poppinga | Feb 19, 2010 11:23:40 PM


  23. the sad thing is, that it seems that only republicans will wind up ending DADT

    Posted by: rick | Feb 20, 2010 7:02:00 AM


  24. @ TampaZeke

    You're argument was too grown up. I wished Gabbie had taken the time and respect you did as a son a right wing racist etc etc and see that you were giving him a life line.

    But people like Gabbie are just bad eggs. He genuinely doesn't care. He's what you would call a sociopath.

    Thanks for your post but don't waste your time on people like this.

    Gay Republicans are damaged.

    They care more about getting richer and lower taxes than gays being beaten to death.

    Notice how Gabbie is never there to say anything nice on the posts were gays have been killed or have been appreciated?

    Poison.

    Posted by: Rowan | Feb 20, 2010 4:45:37 PM


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