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  1. Thomasina says

    Since he does so much studying at a library dedicated to Mormon history, I am sure he knows that until 1978, black people were not allowed to be full members of the LDS church. Well, I say “people,” but I really mean *men*, since all women are *still* second-class participants as far as Mormonism is concerned.

  2. says

    One of the few times I have seen racism close up was at a LDS Family History Center when one of their elders was busy saying terrible things about black men.

  3. patrick nyc says

    Why no magic underwear? Also no mention that Joseph Smith was a con artist who was killed by a mob that stormed the jail he was held up in.

  4. Terrance says

    They have Black people at BYU?!

    It’s a pretty good riff on the the Old Spice commercial, but I don’t believe that anyone Black would seriously *want* to go to BYU….

    I call “Bullsh-t” on this one

  5. Mark in Portland says

    Hey, FYI, according to AP Style, the name of the Church is “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.” Not that it’s important to show respect to the name, but when you don’t include the full name properly, it makes you seem like you really don’t know what you are talking about. And clearly you do.

  6. smallhandff says

    Is it equally “difficult” to enjoy & promote the career of equally Mormon Brandon Flowers?

  7. mmmsquirt says

    As for the library being named after Harold B. Lee, my grandfather was a friend of Lee’s, and I remember meeting HBL. I think that both of them would be HORRIFIED at the actions of the mormon church in recent years. Harold B. Lee was a champion of education and independent thinking, and was frequently criticzed by other mormon big-shots for not telling BYU students to toe the party line.

  8. JoeBlow says

    We should treat people the way we want to be treated. Writing somewhat dismissively about the video because it was “made by a bunch of Mormon students” demonstrates a bias. Even if a majority of Mormans are bigoted against gay people, there are many who aren’t. We shouldn’t be dismissive of the whole religion. Anyway – just a small quibble about a great blog.

  9. GoodForHim says

    Terriffic – he’s getting good grades. Doesn’t change the fact I’d rather have my toenails ripped out than hire a BYU grad.

  10. BYUgay says

    I dount any gay “wants” to go to BYU, but due to the high emphasis on families and pleasing their families, a lot of gay mormons do. Some think it will help cure them of the gay desease. I think it’s ironic that this was filmed in the library and is now on a gay website. The two have more in common than what you would think. 😉

  11. cowboy says

    You will see a lot more ethnic minorities in LDS news. It’s planned to be the new emphasis in the Mormon Church’s missionary efforts.

    I’m impressed with the student’s production. Cudos to the students involved.

    Ask a Mormon why this student’s father probably was discriminated against in the not too distant past. Ask why. Ask why when there was never any doctrine in the LDS church that prevented African-Americans from having equal rights in their Temples. Ask why the LDS Church has never apologized for its past racism.

    But that’s not the focus of this thread on this blog.

  12. Dev says

    Ahh Mormons. I really don’t understand the resentment here about them. They are kind, generous people who would never hurt a fly. I once lived next to two mormon missionaries. The taller one always gave me chocolates and pamphlets with pretty pictures and even gave me a bible. One day he invited me inside their house and even let me play in his room. Then he asked me to lie down on his bed and put his arms around me. Strangely I don’t remember anything else beyond that point no matter how hard I try, but I’m sure we just watched TV or talked about religion. Oh, and did I mention I was just 8 years old when it happened?

  13. Josh says

    As a gay BYU grad, I feel I have to speak up here. Not to defend the religion – feel free to bash that as much as you want.

    I studied a lot in the Harold B. Lee library. You all will be happy to know that there’s something in the air in that library that makes the men SUPER HORNY, me included. (Could it be…Satan?!) At times I had to conclude my studies and go somewhere else because of it.

    I thought it was just me until my senior year when my roommate got a job with library security. He complained (and I fantasized) that they had at least 10 complaints of indecent exposure per week in the mens’ bathrooms and that one time 5 security guards had to chase and tackle a guy who decided to streak on several floors. I’m sad I missed that – I know it would have helped me at least with my anatomy exams!

  14. Sam says

    Never liked the Old Spice commercials in the first place so I’m not watching this video.

  15. TANK says

    “We should treat people the way we want to be treated. Writing somewhat dismissively about the video because it was “made by a bunch of Mormon students” demonstrates a bias. Even if a majority of Mormans are bigoted against gay people, there are many who aren’t. We shouldn’t be dismissive of the whole religion. Anyway – just a small quibble about a great blog.”

    Yet another inelegantly reasoned comment from an “intelligent” person…I’m sure. So, as goes this argument, we shouldn’t criticize any faith EVER because a slim minority of its members maybe aren’t completely behind all that bigotry stuff that is supported by its majority BECAUSE OF THEIR FAITH!…their participation in that faith entails complicity in its consequences, so they’re far from blame free…and moreso, faith needs to be criticized because for many rasons (it’s irrational and compounds human suffering and death)…no more of this “if you criticize islam, you’re a racist…” “If you criticize x religion, you’re a bigot!” FUCK YOU, MOONBAT (disgrace to liberalism)! Faith is bigoted, and bigotry deserves–at the very least–harsh criticism.

    And why shouldn’t we be dismissive of an entire faith? It’s ALL epistemically vacuous and unjustifiable FALSITY…and contributes to human suffering and inequality of lgbt americans (mormonism is the enemy of lgbt equality). I’m just glad most christians in the u.s. are uncomfortable around mormons, and it isn’t considered “christianity”…because if you can’t defeat bigots, let them defeat each other.

  16. TANK says

    and josh proves why there isn’t a single mormon comedian…and why there never will be. You people aren’t funny! Corny!

  17. ziggymarley says

    The position of the LDS Church is frequently misrepresented.

    The Church is pro-traditional marriage, but is not anti-gay.

    The Church is in favor of preserving the traditional institution of marriage – a social construct which predates all other institutions, including government.

    A majority of Americans hold the same views, and nowhere in the U.S. where the issue of same-sex marriage has come before the public for a vote has it been approved. In fact, it has been turned down in all 31 states in which it has been directly put to a popular vote.

    The LDS Church is not anti-gay. On this issue the Church has stated, “No one is, or ever could be, excluded from the circle of God’s love or the extended arms of His Church, for we are all His beloved sons and daughters. As President Hinckley said: ‘We regard you as our brothers and sisters.’ ”

    8 out of 5 dentists agree.

  18. TANK says

    “The LDS Church is not anti-gay.”

    You keep saying that, but even you contradict it with “the church is for traditional marriage.” The nazis weren’t antigay…they just were for “traditional” (any sexuality that they deemed traditional…like marriage) sexualities. And by that standard, the catholic church isn’t antigay, either…after all, they love the “sinner”, too. You’re crackers, arentcha…a raving loony. Uh huh.

  19. Dev says

    “The Church is pro-traditional marriage, but is not anti-gay.”

    Being “pro-traditional marriage” IS being anti-gay. You are basically denying an entire minority of civil rights. If that is not “anti” then I don’t know what is. Do you somehow think that being “anti” is only about about bashing and shooting people?

    Oh, and you might want to research some of the official statements released by the LDS on homosexuality if you wish to spout nonsense defending a hateful (redundant) religion.

    There are tons of statements, let me give you an example: “Homosexuality Is Sin: Next to the crime of murder comes the sin of sexual impurity.” This was a pamphlet given out by this “not anti-gay” religion. Oh, they are quick to follow it up by saying that they welcome everyone, a good example is the “We regard you as our brothers and sisters.” bullshit. Of course, it’s an answer that doesnt really answer the question. The next line after that answer is “AS LONG AS YOU DONT ACT ON IT”

    The official stand of the LDS is still that homosexuality is a sin even in committed relationships. One of the reasons they give is because this is done outside of marriage. HMMMMM. So you say that gays aren’t allowed to marry, but it is sinful to be “act” on homosexual feelings because it is done outside marriage, but of course allowing commited gay couples to marry is WRONG. If you cannot see the sheer stupidity of this argument then I suggest you take up some philosophy classes to hopefully improve your logical thinking.

    LDS teaches hate. PERIOD.

  20. Jessica says

    “Terriffic – he’s getting good grades. Doesn’t change the fact I’d rather have my toenails ripped out than hire a BYU grad.”

    Nice comment. I wonder why it’s okay for people to say that about Mormons, but somehow Mormoms are the bigots and hateful ones? I see a bit of hypocrisy there. I’ve never heard a Mormon say they hate gay people, but there sure is a lot of hating on Mormons.

    PS – I would probably look into hiring some BYU grads, since you can’t seem to spell “terrific” correctly.

  21. TANK says

    Because they are hateful bigots, you stupid cunt.

    Now go sell your ‘love’ and ‘tolerance’ dressed up as religious bigotry somewhere else, you ridiculous mormon freak. And you ARE a freak…and the vast majority of christians believe that.

  22. TANK says

    And the reasoing coming from the mormon freaks here who are defending their weirdo cult faith (ain’t no mormon EVER gonna be prezdent of these united states…and you can take that to the bank, freaks), is that the intolerance of intolerance is intolerance…it’s a vacant argument that is, interestingly enough, only given by virulently bigoted pieces of shit. Notice that the next time someone offers similar reasoning, or says that they don’t “hate” anyone…they’re ALWAYS bigoted supremacists.

  23. Steven says

    I think that all the hate the Mormons get for “taking away” gay rights is ridiculous. Someone please tell me why it is exclusively the Mormon church’s fault for the passage of prop 8. And someone please tell me how Mormons are cruel hateful bigots? all I’ve witnessed these past few years are more and more attacks on the Mormon church by more and more violent means. Someone burned down a church close to my house not too long ago. For people who want to promote peace and equality, I’m pretty sure you’re going about it the wrong way. Jus sayin.

  24. TANK says

    Steven is the perfect example of a bigot. He is, clearly demonstrated above, the very definition of a religious supremacist bigot. They never KNOW that they’re wrong and immoral…the unethical never realize that they’re unethical. It’s as predictable as gravity.

  25. drewmeister says

    Steven, why don’t you ask some of the young men and women who have committed suicide out of guilt, shame, and depression here in Yewtah and all over the world how the mormons are hateful bigots. Oh, wait, you can’t. Because they’re DEAD.

    Yes, I know, no one forced them to. It’s all their own fault because they didn’t just ignore their god-given trials. If they just tried harder.. if they just had a stronger testimony. Gotta blame the victim. Look their mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, and lovers in the eyes and tell them that. Look the twenty-foot Christus at Temple Square in the eyes and tell him that.

    I’m sure you can – I was once that certain of my bigoted convictions as well. Let me tell you, it’s awfully awkward when you realize the viewpoints you’ve been programmed with your whole life might just be incorrect.

    No one said Prop H8 *exclusively* the mormon’s fault. It’s just mostly the church’s fault by virtue of its backwards, intolerant members.

    And for an earlier poster mentioning HBL’s more “progressive” stance, he may have possibly been so on some issues, but certainly not on race, which is ironic considering the African-American actor portrayed in the building with his name.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=3UBXLIkLEQwC&pg=PA64&lpg=PA64&dq=%2Bgranddaughter+%2BBYU+%2Bengaged+%2Bcolored+%2Bboy&source=bl&ots=w0wkToSkSm&sig=gttmXejlMCNmhZH4DOMhuUBb_aw&hl=en&ei=uFpBTLOWFYG88gbe_LijDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=%2Bgranddaughter%20%2BBYU%20%2Bengaged%20%2Bcolored%20%2Bboy&f=false

    Mormons – defending traditional marriage of one man and one woman and another woman and another woman and another woman and.. (don’t give me the crap about “we don’t teach that anymore”. D&C 132. You practiced it once, you lost your kettle-black card. I am a descendant of polygamous ancestors. You can deny it all you want but the genealogy won’t.)

  26. TANK says

    Well, you hafta admire the attempt…but you realize that you’re wasting your time, right? There is no reasoning with these programmed religious bigots. Their programming enables them to justify anything–however poorly (and they’ll believe it, too). The nazis had to do the same thing…they just reminded themselves time and again that what they were doing was a “great thing for society”…”for the greater good”…and it worked for them because that’s how memes work…that’s how these toxic ideologies infect their adherents. They are completely lost to the meme…zombies who will do and say anything to protect their bigoted belief system.

  27. ziggymarley says

    The LGBT community works to promote tolerance, diversity, inclusion; and to dissuade prejudice, bigotry, and hate.

    So let’s do a quick reality check to see how well this thread aligns with these ideals:

    From Patrick NYC:
    “Why no magic underwear?”
    “Joseph Smith was a con artist.”

    From Terrence:
    “I don’t believe that anyone Black would seriously *want* to go to BYU….” (And yet, there they are…)
    “I call “Bullsh-t” on this one.”

    From GoodForHim:
    “Doesn’t change the fact I’d rather have my toenails ripped out than hire a BYU grad.”

    From Josh:
    “Feel free to bash [the LDS religion] as much as you want.”

    From Tank:
    “And why shouldn’t we be dismissive of an entire faith? It’s ALL epistemically vacuous and unjustifiable FALSITY…and contributes to human suffering and inequality.” (For a moment, let’s forget the fact that more people have been killed by atheists in the last century [over 120 million] in the name of advancing atheism [a system of belief] than by all religious conflicts put together in the last two millennia. I’ll name the conflicts, perpetrators, and numbers killed in a separate post if you don’t believe me. Your argument is invalid.)

    “You people aren’t funny.” (“You people” is a term meant to divide and segregate.)
    “You’re crackers.” (A pejorative, usually a disparaging term for poor whites.)
    “A raving loony.”
    “You ridiculous mormon [sic] freak. And you ARE a freak.”

    “And the reasoing [sic] coming from the mormon [sic] freaks here who are defending their weirdo cult faith (ain’t [sic] no mormon [sic] EVER gonna [sic] be prezdent [sic] of these united states [sic]…and you can take that to the bank, freaks), is that the intolerance of intolerance is intolerance…it’s a vacant argument that is, interestingly enough, only given by virulently bigoted pieces of shit.” (Well, Tank you’ve certainly got that virulent bigotry act nailed down pat.)

    “Notice that the next time someone offers similar reasoning, or says that they don’t ‘hate’ anyone…they’re ALWAYS bigoted supremacists.” (Wow! This is the best quote ever! You lose your own argument. In other words, if someone says they don’t hate, they really do. But if YOU don’t SAY that you hate, but you act in a discriminatory, prejudicial, angry, spiteful, raging, bigoted way, then you’re not really a bigot. Classic.)

    “Steven is the perfect example of a bigot. He is, clearly demonstrated above, the very definition of a religious supremacist bigot. They never KNOW that they’re wrong and immoral…the unethical never realize that they’re unethical.” (Ummm, Tank? Can you not see that you are giving yourself up as the best example of your own arguments? If you really want to see a framed picture of what a bigot looks like, go get yourself a framed mirror. As “clearly demonstrated above.”)

    “There is no reasoning with these programmed religious bigots. Their programming enables them to justify anything–however poorly (and they’ll believe it, too). The nazis [sic] had to do the same thing.”
    “They are completely lost to the meme…zombies who will do and say anything to protect their bigoted belief system.” (Obviously, you do not have the same problem.)

    From Dev:
    “LDS [is] a hateful religion.”
    “You cannot see the sheer stupidity.”
    “LDS teaches hate. PERIOD.”

    From DrewMeister:
    “The mormons [sic] are hateful bigots.”
    “The church’s fault by virtue of its backwards, intolerant members.”

    So, how’d we do? I think these posts speak for themselves.

  28. Jeff says

    It’s comical to see you idiots still whining about Prop 8. Gays have a civil union that gives them the same rights and privileges as marriage. Gays just want the title so they can shove it down the throats (no pun) of those that believe marriage is something sacred between a man and a woman.

    Gays like to label “Mormons” as being intolerant, but having witnessed the ridiculous behavior of gays and gay supporters during the Prop 8 battle, I’d say the gays can take their so-called “tolerance” and place it where foreign objects aren’t supposed to enter. It’s never stopped them before…

  29. TANK says

    No one has ever killed anyone because of a lack of faith. That is, atheism hasn’t spilled one drop of blood, ever. Communism and stalinism aren’t atheism, and neither are any of the other political, economic and social beliefs that you have mistakenly attributed to atheism. Your reasoning is flawed because you don’t know what atheism is, and it’s not up for a vote; it’s about defintions and implications. Atheism never instructs one on what they should do. One can’t deny another anything because of a lack of faith in a deity or supernaturalism. It’s logically impossible. I can’t say the same for mormons and their misguided crusade against lgbt americans during prop 8 (and funding NOM), and specifically, the FLDS. Nor the racist, sexist, and genocidal past (american indians were exterminated by mormon “settlers”) that all mormons share. And it’s true that most christians in this country consider mormonism a cult and a pseudo faith; moreso, a detestable one at that. That’s a fact.

    As for the rest, the intolerance of intolerance isn’t bigotry. When one opposes racism because it is evil, one isn’t a bigot. The same exact thing can be said for those opposing mormonism and their systematic and well funded campaign of oppression against lgbt americans.

    Literally, the best line of reasoning you religious bigots can offer is that opposing your vocal opposition to civil and social equality of lgbt americans because it somehow infringes on your fairytale beliefs and desire to oppress us in law and practice, is bigotry. That’s all there is to it, and it’s invalid reasoning. And it didn’t work for the KKK and it’s not going to work for you.

    Once again, I have never opposed your right to believe in whatever fairytale nonsense you want, yet you vocally, financially, and by tryranny of the majority tactics, have opposed and prevented mine. This is no moral equivalence. You and your cult are highly unethical bigots, and you share that responsibility…for you do evil things. And you take no responsibility for it because the entire purpose of the meme that has supressed your intellect is to do anything you want to others with no consequences and no responsibility for yourself…simply saying you don’t have a responsibility doesn’t make it so anymore than saying that god or unicorns exist makes it the case.

  30. TANK says

    And the ultimate irony and affront to reason is that lgbt’ers are being actively harmed by one of the most despised religious minorities in the history of the united states. So much so, that I really think a gay male could become president before a mormon will. Apparently that learning curve is unattainable for the vast majority of mormons.

  31. Tanner says

    The star of this video is named Stephen Jones, he is the president of BYU’s stand-up comedy club. He has a bunch of other videos on YouTube if you search “Stephen Jones Humor U”. He’s very funny, and he dances too!

  32. Tanner says

    I would invite anyone who wonders about the beliefs and doctrines of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day saints to visit mormon.org – a lot of questions posted in these comments can be answered that way.

  33. Nicole says

    Wow, Dev, that really sounds like a load of shit. nice try though. to set the record straight, the LDS church never said they hate gays, lesbians, homosexuals, etc. they don’t support homosexual marriages though. I’m not lds, so before someone assumes that, now ya know. I know a few hundred lds kids that I work with, and none of them discriminate against me, and have been nothing but kind, and loving. when my home burnt down, my “church family” did nothing. but the missionaries and sigles ward came and helped me sort through the rubble, and find my great grandmothers engagement ring, and helped me pull out anything that could be salvaged, as well as helped me when I needed a place to live, until i could find a new home. and when I tried to repay them for it all, they scolded me for it. they didn’t do it for money, or personal glory. and all of them know that I am lesbian. also, before someone says I live in utah, I’m from california.

  34. megaman says

    wow, it’s amazing how many of you mormon haters are out there. Just a piece of advice: give it a rest, and try to grow up.

  35. me says

    Grow up, seriously, I feel like I’m listening to a bunch of pre-schoolers. Seriously, read your comments, then back to mine, sadly your comment isn’t like mine. But really, grow up and go vent or preach somewhere more effective than a comment box beneath a video.