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Breaking: NYTimes reports on capture of Bronx Group who trapped and tortured gay men

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This is one of  the most heinous crimes i have ever heard about. Andrew mentioned it in his earlier news round up, but these details are going to be the news, especially i the context of increased awareness of crimes against gay people. Be warned, the NYTimes reporters share a great deal of graphic detail in this piece from tomorrow's paper, online now.   From the piece:

“These suspects deployed terrible, wolf-pack odds of nine against one, which revealed them as predators whose crimes were as cowardly as they were despicable,” Police Commissioner said as he described the attacks in grim detail at a news conference at Police Headquarters.,

In the piece it sounds as though police did a good and professional job of investigating but that the  perpetrators might still be at large were it not for the single neighbor who slipped a note to one of the officers at the scene and shared enough information for them to track and arrest these guys today and yesterday. The victims were hesitant to come forward immediately beccuase of the serious threats mad about what would happen if they did speak to authorities.

Though stories that hit on Friday nights typically  disappear by Monday. It's clear to me that i won't forget this for a long time, nor will many others. You need to read about it, but again, i warn of the graphic description.

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  1. Liberalism has contributed to the bullying of gay and bisexual men. Look at what liberalism has done in the last 20-30 years:

    a) it has promoted homophobic lyrics through artists like Eminem and black rappers, all courtesy of MTV and VH1,

    b) it has promoted the bisexual double standard (girl-girl "hot", guy-guy censored) through porn that contains both genders,

    c) it has promoted a slew of female pop singers who claim to be bisexual but who are simply aligning their image with the the sleazy straight guy fetish for girl-girl action.

    The list goes on and on.

    How much more convincing do you need that it is liberalism - particularly the entertainment industry - which is significantly contributing to bashings of men who are perceived to be gay? A lot of young men listen to music and watch porn, thus getting those homophobic messages mentioned above.

    Wake up, GLBT community. Liberals are causing gay bashings.

    Posted by: jason | Oct 8, 2010 11:43:04 PM


  2. @ Jason - are you fucking KIDDING ME ? You, sir, are a total asshole.

    Posted by: Tre Gibbs | Oct 9, 2010 12:08:13 AM


  3. That's right, Jason. It's about time we as a movement began to promote "family values" social conservatism. And if anyone needs reminding of how good it was before liberals loused things up, right on this same blog, just a few news items away, is the story of the 1903 Ariston Bath scandal in New York, in which meant got long prison sentences for having gay sex. Ah, nostalgia.

    Putting aside Jason and his whacked notions, I must say that while I feel sorry for the victim, it also looks like he used very poor judgment; a 30 year-old fucking 17 year-olds, and bringing over booze so he can party with them? In the Bronx?

    Posted by: Sol | Oct 9, 2010 12:12:36 AM


  4. Great. My beloved Bronx once again maligned; this time by the latin king goonies. LOVE how when a crime hits the blot, if it's in the BRONX--the NYTIMES gives it FULL FRONT PAGE exposure because that's all the BRONX is good for--salacious crime and because it's about Gay hate crimes, post this shizz on the front page. I am SOOOO gay and have only found acceptance in the Bronx, and this gay bitch has LIVED in the 212. Don't get me wrong, these craZy bitches need to be shanked up in Sing-Sing and I got some brothers who'll take care of that, but the Bronx is not these headlines. It's like a Pit Bull that has unfairly been maligned. So many of my fellow citizens are hard-working honest, decent human beings, who frankly, are repulsed that our good name has been dragged down by these degenerates who are probably from Washington Heights--IN MANHATTAN. No offense 212, but seriously.

    Posted by: JEFFREY in the Bronx | Oct 9, 2010 12:14:20 AM


  5. @Jason: I think we'd need much more convincing then you provided. Convincing people usually requires a good deal of evidence. You provided very little—if any.

    If the list goes on and on, why not list more than three examples? If your intentions are to enlighten us, then you need to better than mentioning a vague correlation between the entertainment industry and the attacks on homosexuals.

    The increase in violence towards the GBLT community seems more like acts of desperation in response to the increasing acceptance of gays and transgendered people around the world. That's just my opinion though.

    Posted by: Nate | Oct 9, 2010 12:20:21 AM


  6. Gay bashing is caused by homophobia created by Bible thumpers and "family value" idiots. They are conservatives, not liberals, poor confused Jason.

    As to the situation of the crime itself: Are you kidding me? Nine young men who hang out together trapping gay men to play rough with them? How gay is that? Why aren't they out with their girlfriends? Internalized homophobia, trying to prove to themselves how "not gay" they are. Really pathetic. Self hatred expressed by bashing their victims. Then they go home and jerk off.

    Posted by: Jeremiah | Oct 9, 2010 12:59:22 AM


  7. Girl-girl hot. Hehe, Wapner's on at 7.

    Posted by: crispy | Oct 9, 2010 1:05:44 AM


  8. Jeff in the Bronx : Why apologize to the Manhattan crowd? They're just a bunch of out-of-town losers who move to NYC to think that "now I'm so cool" and all they do is cluster together. The Bronx, Brooklyn, and Queens natives rule. But anyway, what's really killing the Belonsky, Towle, Goff pc gays is that this case doesn't involve perps who are Caucasians. Watch how gay activists will hide from this whole case.

    Posted by: JT | Oct 9, 2010 1:29:02 AM


  9. Jeez, by this point everyone should know to ignore Jason and a few other posters.

    I agree that this guy showed exceedingly poor judgment in having alcohol and sex with teens, but the story is still harrowing. Glad the NYPD didn't let it drop. And with even mild interrogation those 9 "gang" members will turn on each other on a dime, so it will be easy to prosecute. The fact that one of the teen victims was a potential member of the gang speaks volumes.

    Posted by: Paul R | Oct 9, 2010 1:33:41 AM


  10. "I must say that while I feel sorry for the victim, it also looks like he used very poor judgment..."

    @Sol: What we know about the 30-year-old is that he was invited to what he was told was a party (If the invitation came from one of the suspects, it could have been the 23-year-old, who is only 7 years his junior. Nothing in the facts presented says that it came from a minor.)
    We also know that the minors were beaten and raped with a plunger by the abductors while being ordered to say they had had sex with him. I'm sure they would have said the moon was made of cheese if their abductors had ordered them to say that. It is really no indication that the 30-year-old did or did not do anything.

    Until any other evidence is presented, I will give all of the victims the benefit of the doubt and not trust anything the clearly sick kidnappers say.

    I feel sick for the horrific ordeal all of the victims been through.

    Posted by: gregv | Oct 9, 2010 1:39:34 AM


  11. Jason raises interesting ideas. But he totally uses the wrong word. "liberals"? Excuse me, kid, I don't think u have a clue what "liberal" means. By definition, "liberal" IS gay friendly. Or else they are LINO (liberal in name only).

    Now, if u replaced "liberal" with "hollywood" or "pop culture" or "youth culture" ---then, my friend, you start to say something more interesting. Better yet, try using "the entertainment industry" instead. And i'm not talking about the pretty people who smile and talk -- although its prolly more of them than we'd like to admit--read 25 cents here. I'm talking about the suits who write select and make deals.

    See, the entertainment industry takes gays for granted. Kids don't say "that's so gay" (a f**D up offensive phrase) bc of the mormons and religious haters. Kids say it bc of the entertainment industry.

    THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY NEEDS TO COME THE F OUT.

    Yes, the entertainment industry is not as bad as, say the Mormon church. But the entertainment industry is not being the friend to the gays that it poses as being. I think too many closeted or covering execs --or metro hetero homophobe males call the shots in the back offices of the entertainment industry.

    demand better from the entertainment industry folks. dudes, we r very influential in that industry...why the f can't we get them to REALLY stand up for our people's dignity.

    Our targeting of mormons is appropriate. But it's also low-hanging-fruit politics. Our balls would totally be bigger if we stood up to the quietly homophobic supposed-alpha in the room: THE ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY. wise up, folks. yes, A.Cooper's a kick-ass guy. But is Cooper's boss? Highly Unlikely. Shun Vince Gill? Sure, but it'd be better to target the people who control and guide him. The backroom folks in music and movies are the silent powerful homophobes in this country.

    Just givin Jason's claim a little more punch...in case he's not all wrong.

    Posted by: justaguy | Oct 9, 2010 2:25:20 AM


  12. Just to make something clear, I read the entire article. The 2 teens that had sex with the 30 year old were 17. The age of consent in New York... funny enough, 17. I looked it up just to be certain. So, he did nothing illegal. Possibly creepy, but not illegal. Just thought it should be pointed out before someone gets snotty and up in arms about that part of it.

    Posted by: Lael | Oct 9, 2010 2:58:51 AM


  13. @Jason 9 out of 10 for style, but minus several million for terrible trolling.

    Seriously. It's like you're barely trying to troll.

    Posted by: Sgt.Sausagepants | Oct 9, 2010 3:15:39 AM


  14. This is so effed up, i don't even think it has anything to do with The Gay. These scum kidnappers, attackers and thieves are just vile subhumans whose crime is against humanity itself and not against the gay community per se. Their victims could have been anyone. Would we rather there be no gay animus so they could have abducted and beaten women or taxi drivers or rival peoples of different color or whatever?

    I guess I'm unable to think straight about this, as clearly these punk coward fucktards had something about homo up their snoot, but degenerates this violent and depraved will not limit their targets to one thing or another, and next week it would have been ice cream vendors or whatever struck their pea brains as fun sport of heinousness.

    Sorry, all i can think at this point is WTF, WTF, W.T.F.?!?!

    Posted by: Zlick | Oct 9, 2010 4:42:12 AM


  15. As the Teabagging Republicans regain power in November, look for a resurgence in gay-bashing. It will be mainstream again.

    Everything we made progress on in recent years will be fair game to roll back. The religious-right will demand & receive compensation for reviving the GOP. Don't be surprised if State & Federal Constitutional amendments and referenda are once again on the table.

    Meanwhile, many GLBTQ activists will sit on their asses on election day because Obama didn't meet their expectations. Well, expect the worst when the House, Senate, & Supreme Court are firmly in the hands of those who hate us.

    Posted by: JONNY NYNY2FLFL | Oct 9, 2010 4:50:57 AM


  16. To point out the obvious, anyone who rapes someone---whether with their dick or a plunger---obviously harbors very gay fantasies of sex and power. And is seriously demented.

    Posted by: Paul R | Oct 9, 2010 4:57:13 AM


  17. To clarify, a man raping another man. Men raping women is also about power but is another story.

    Posted by: Paul R | Oct 9, 2010 4:58:25 AM


  18. GregV:Until any other evidence is presented, I will give all of the victims the benefit of the doubt and not trust anything the clearly sick kidnappers say.

    It is funny how people will read whatever they want into this. Matt Shepard all over again. Stupid people who make stupid and dangerous decisions and then some total strangers are going to make this into a big cause celebe- get ready for the candlelight vigils and the protest marches, not to mention the HRC fund-raising this is going to generate. They only have to convince the fools to send some more cash to some self appointed gay rights organization.

    "...a 17-year-old who wanted to join the gang, the police said." (so the victim wanted to JOIN these guys?)

    "...said he had been jumped by strangers on the street and robbed." (and then lied)

    "with plenty of cans of malt liquor." (doesn't sound like BYOB- sounds like a nasty old fart trying to get into the pants of some sweet young stuff)

    "...he called the police, leaving out the fact that his brother was being held..."(so the 30 y/o's brother(!) did not tell the cops his own brother was kidnapped???

    "...30-year-old told them he had been picked up in a van by strangers and forced to give them his keys and address" ( lies, again with the lies)

    "Officers still had no idea about the first teen who had visited the hospital, because he had not called the police" (what is it with these people?)

    "None of the three victims, in their first interviews with the police, were fully forthcoming, fearing reprisal and wanting to keep their lives a secret." (Jeezus!)

    And this is NOT 'blaming the victim" this is what grown-ups call 'common sense'. Do not waste any tears or sympathy on anybody in this case- they all sound like idiots to me.

    Posted by: Jim in St Louis | Oct 9, 2010 8:31:28 AM


  19. Oh Jim you're so black and white. Let me guess, you're part of GOproud right??

    Well lemme give my opinion based on not being a judgemental prick, working with people from deprived areas as well as being LUCKY (I didnt choose my parents!) to be educated well so therefore have the ability to see ALL sides of a story.

    You're problem Jim-you have many-is that you see women as whores or good girls. There's no grey area in your world-it's either or. Stupid or Not stupid, never confused or suffering from severe self esteem issues, no you have a biblical way of looking at life where people are either born stupid or not.

    You don't have a concept nor a want of context.

    I'm guessing you dont believe in the power of culture or society because it goes against you wanting to judge people. Right?

    1) Why wouldn't a kid want a join a gang? How stupid are you? Do you not understand how much power gangs have in sh*tty neighbourhoods? Protection etc?

    2) The man likes young boys, so what? So do women and so do straight men ALL the time. He seemed to like he's boys with grit-I'm guessing he's from grit to, so again so what?

    3) I coupla fine gritty boys wanna hang out, he thinks he's gonna score. Takes a chance. Now THAT was stupid.

    But did they deserve what they got because he used his d*ck like soo many men before and after him?

    4) Hmm, lets see, would I have told the cops about my brother if he was kidnapped and I was them? No I wouldn't because you would drag your sh*t through the mud in public, and hey, what happens in the hood...stays in the hood....

    5) Do people trust cops? Really? I'm from a middle class background but enjoyed my fair share of parties at college and we didnt trust the cops. But then I'm liberal and despise authority.


    This story is pretty straight forward.

    I bet the leader of the gang is either a HUGE homo OR he was seduced by an older guy when he was a teen and therefore has a blinkered agenda at hand.

    He hates himself, his life and therefore hates everyone else.

    So 1) either he saw gays as easy pickings, so this older dude hanging out with these younger guys whom he knew were weak and dying to be gangmembers and saw his chance...

    Or 2) he resented seeing the guy with the young boys and hooked them in to hook the older guy but ended up turning on him..

    Either way, this is soo typical of what happens in society within areas of poverty.

    They are ALL guilty because they were born.

    Posted by: Rowan | Oct 9, 2010 9:08:39 AM


  20. Jason forgot to wear his hockey mask.

    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Oct 9, 2010 9:38:28 AM


  21. Liberal is not synonymous with gay-friendly. Liberals can be gay-friendly but it's not a requirement.

    My point is that much of what influences the youth of today - music, video games, movies, porn - is highly homophobic towards men. Take music, for instance. Not one openly gay or bisexual male American artist has ever hit number 1 on the US pop charts since the charts began in the 1950's. Not one.

    This should tell you something. Keep in mind the pervasive effect of porn (with its bisexual double standard) and the strategic marketing of many female mainstream entertainers as bisexual-for-the-benefit-of-straight-men, and you get the picture of what's really going on here.

    We're living in a hugely homophobic social culture right now, one in which homophobia is particularly being directed towards men. Liberal men AND women are responsible.

    Posted by: jason | Oct 9, 2010 9:41:30 AM


  22. this is caused by leaders like pedro espada the crook and the self righteous ruben diaz. they spout hate to all their voters and they keep getting reelected. in 3 weeks
    there is a chance to send these creeps to the unemployment office. as to the creeps put them awayfor a long time. hope they learn some compassion while bent over in their cell

    Posted by: walter | Oct 9, 2010 9:50:32 AM


  23. These "kids" should be gassed and dumped for the vultures to feed on. I can't wait for the myriad of excuses, drugs, being poor, no daddy. BOO FUCKING HOO!

    As for trying to pin all the blame on libs or conservatives is ridiculous. They both have blame to share.

    The bronx votes a 90% dem, rube diaz held anti-gay rallies is also a dem and the assailants vote or ever vote you can be damn sure it will be dem. But to paint the whole party as anti-gay is ridiculous just like it is to do so on the other side.

    also can't we find out their indenties and then gon on to make their lives and supporters lives misreable! EXPOSE THEM!

    Posted by: ousslander | Oct 9, 2010 10:51:19 AM


  24. I think it's a huge mistake to jump from pop culture or politics as direct links to gang violence. If any outside force can be felt here, I'm sure economics has more to do with it. Yeah, prevailing culture and politics don't help, but they are hardly responsible for the violent lives of gang-infested neighborhoods. These problems are much more complex.

    Further, whether it be grinding poverty or a blinding touch from Jebus the Great hisself, no one is responsible for these heinous crimes but the perpetrators themselves. Not the victims, not the New York legislature, not the Hollywood moguls. Just these sick punk fucks.

    I know it's said by people who should know that rape is everything to do with power and little to do with sex. Yet your dick has to be hard for rape to happen, so I've never quite understood. Apparently, these vics were raped with baseball bats and plunger handles, so we certainly don't know what level of gay was even in this violent act, though of course it was there in choosing targets and in the nature of the vicious acts committed.

    And yeah, the victims are not coming off as shining examples of civic heroes. But first of all, 30 does not make some guy an old fart. Sheesh. And what planet are you living on if you don't understand victims' reluctance to report gang violence through threat of intimidation, or the mistrust of police by innocent people in dicey neighborhoods?

    Posted by: Zlick | Oct 9, 2010 11:14:33 AM


  25. "This is one of the most heinous crimes i have ever heard about." That's an obvious exaggeration, or you're just really naive. Although what happened to these men was terrible, this is certainly not one of the more heinous crimes in recent memory, let alone one of the more heinous crimes "ever". Compare, e.g., "6 Arrested in Mentally Challenged Woman's Torture Death." Or "Couple Raped, Tortured, Mutilated, Killed by Mob." Or "Katie Piper's Face Melts in Acid Attack."

    Posted by: Adam | Oct 9, 2010 11:43:34 AM


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