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Watch: Rep. Mike Pence Speaks Out Against 'Mainstreaming Homosexuality' Into the Military


MSNBC's Chris Jansing asked Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN) to chime in on what's happening in the Senate on DADT, and reports from the Pentagon that service members and their families would have little issue with repealing it.

Said Pence:

"I would still have a problem with it because there’s no question to mainstream homosexuality within active duty military would have an impact on unit cohesion would have an impact on recruitment, an impact on readiness, that’s been established and written about and chronicled for many many years and I believe we need to continue to keep the focus of our military on the mission of the military. Don’t ask don’t tell was a compromise back in the early 90s, it’s been a successful compromise we ought to leave it like it is and and not run the risk of impacting the readiness of our military or recruitment for our military because of an effort to advance some liberal domestic social agenda."


(via the new civil rights movement)

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  1. "...written about and chronicled for many many years..."

    Oh yeah? Written about where and by whom? It works for every military that has done it thus far, right?

    These worthless bigots just spout unsupported madness every chance they get!

    Posted by: princely54 | Nov 19, 2010 10:34:30 AM

  2. AND, just because some fucktard General somewhere has been against it 'for years' doesn't mean he's been 'right' for years either.

    Posted by: princely54 | Nov 19, 2010 10:35:31 AM

  3. Please enlighten us to these elusive studies that have been "established and written about and chronicled for many many years." Enjoy your time in Closemindedville on yesteryear lane with your black chauffeur and your non Jewish country club. Jerk.

    Posted by: Andrew | Nov 19, 2010 10:38:05 AM

  4. Pence = a reason to NEVER go to,nor tour,nor give any monies too Indiana

    Posted by: Disgusted American | Nov 19, 2010 10:41:09 AM

  5. Mike Pence spends way too much time thinking about those homosexuals.

    Posted by: homer | Nov 19, 2010 10:41:38 AM

  6. In his book "Conduct Unbecoming" the late Randy Shilts lists precisely how many studies of gays in the military had been done up til then. There were a ton of them -- and that book came out in the late 80's.

    And what conclusion did those studies come to?

    The same this new one has.

    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Nov 19, 2010 11:04:51 AM

  7. This is journalism at its worst. "Written about for years" . . . WHERE? WHERE'S THE FOLLOW-UP QUESTION?!! Ridiculous.

    Posted by: Daniel | Nov 19, 2010 11:09:58 AM

  8. I'm sorry, but I just have to admit it: Watching that SHIT just made me angry....

    Posted by: yeahisaidit | Nov 19, 2010 11:21:28 AM

  9. Is there a study to show the impact on unit cohesion, moral, readiness, recruiting on firing otherwise qualified soldiers because someone finds out that they enjoy putting their hee hee into another guys ha ha? To me that is the question to investigate.

    Posted by: Top_Ks | Nov 19, 2010 11:33:54 AM

  10. " mainstream homosexuality within active duty military would have an impact on unit cohesion would have an impact on recruitment, an impact on readiness, that’s been established and written about and chronicled for many many years..."

    Flat-out lie. That hasn't happened at all in the 36 countries that allow gay people to serve openly; and all of our studies came to the same conclusion. -- He's simply a homophobic liar.

    Posted by: David in Houston | Nov 19, 2010 11:38:15 AM

  11. "Where's the follow-up question?" Indeed. And my follow-up would have been "do you want to expel the 4 members of Congress who are openly gay?"

    Posted by: Skye Winspur | Nov 19, 2010 11:38:44 AM

  12. There's "no question" it will have an impact? I think he was just proven completely wrong by the latest information coming out. At this point there is no question no one gives a crap except for Republicans looking for a wedge issue.

    Posted by: MT | Nov 19, 2010 11:44:42 AM

  13. Why don't these phobes change tactics a bit and support repeal, then urge as many queers as possible to sign on for military service?
    It would get them out of the country. They would either perform duties as well as heteros or they' be killed fighting in places nobody wants to go. It's all so obvious to me.

    Posted by: CoMo'moc | Nov 19, 2010 12:01:47 PM

  14. @MT: what's that about republicans looking for wedgies? Do you mean shoes or the other kind?

    Posted by: CoMo'mo | Nov 19, 2010 12:03:36 PM

  15. We should just remove all family and domestic support that straights get, problem solved. No housing for wives and children on bases, they can live off base on welfare and if their daddy dies, we might give them a call to tell them they no longer enjoy medical or pension benefits. (Oh, and BTW ma'am, he got his head blown off.)
    It's what the American military is all about in my experience. Why go to bat for some Conservative social agenda when it's only a needless expense on the American taxpayer? Soldiers don't need to breed, or even have relationships involving householding of any sort. they just need to fight.

    Posted by: SeriouslySick | Nov 19, 2010 12:10:12 PM

  16. Exactly what are the qualities that make heterosexuals superior soldiers? Has anyone ever asked that in a study?

    Posted by: niles | Nov 19, 2010 12:10:29 PM

  17. Pence is a Dangerous man....look at him, hate fills him....and wouldn't he look oh sooo cute in a Nazi would fit him perfectly.

    Posted by: Disgusted American | Nov 19, 2010 12:12:46 PM

  18. Well Pence does have vast military experience... Oh wait... he doesn't.

    Posted by: Alpha | Nov 19, 2010 12:26:06 PM

  19. And what impact can he point to in all the other NATO militaries ?
    And what impact on morale/ discipline etc has there been in the last ten years while homos served in silence ?
    Only the impact of not being properly respected and appreciated by asshole traitors like Pence.

    Posted by: JackFknTwist | Nov 19, 2010 12:49:23 PM

  20. Wouldn't mainstreaming it make it more acceptable in general? That in turn would be a social good for unit cohesion. So what is this guy's argument again?

    Posted by: Alan E. | Nov 19, 2010 12:52:02 PM

  21. And he knows why? He knows how? Where is his experience that he is the expert?

    Other than good old-fashioned homophobia, natch.

    Posted by: Dan | Nov 19, 2010 1:15:54 PM

  22. Douche bag, republican, redundant.

    Posted by: patrick nyc | Nov 19, 2010 1:27:02 PM

  23. Where are the GOProud girls when you need them?

    Posted by: mike | Nov 19, 2010 1:45:24 PM

  24. "Where are the GOProud girls when you need them?"

    Raising money for assholes like Pence.

    Posted by: BobN | Nov 19, 2010 2:10:17 PM

  25. Yes, keeping the most qualified members of the military in the military is a "liberal social agenda".

    Posted by: David R. | Nov 19, 2010 3:50:12 PM

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