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DADT Rundown - The Day After The Senate Repeal

 road DADT repeal will create a ripple effect in fight for gay rights: "Yet the repeal is far more than just a single policy shift. The overturning of "don't ask, don't tell" is likely to create a ripple effect in addressing other gay-rights issues, as many states continue to debate issues including same-sex marriage and the right of gay partners to share benefits the same way legally married couples do. With gay service members serving openly, it will become difficult for policy makers to justify, say, withholding visitation rights or survivor benefits to the same-sex spouse of a wounded or fallen soldier."

Dadt  road Secretary of Defense Robert Gates has urged gays and lesbians servicemen to remain closeted - for now: "The new rules would still not take effect for another 60 days. The military will implement change in a responsible, deliberate manner,' said Mullen, the highest ranking military officer. Gates warned troops they should keep their sexual orientation quiet for now because the current law and policy will remain in effect during the deliberative process. The Pentagon has nonetheless implemented a de facto moratorium on ousting troops over their sexual orientation since a first ruling against "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" by a federal judge in October."

 road It could take longer than 60 days. Some are reporting that the implementation of the repeal could take up to a year for it to go into full effect.

 road Nancy Pelosi tells the Advocate: “I think people will see this [vote] as a celebration of our country. Passing this bill makes America stronger in every way, not just national security, but in our values. Frankly it’s a boost of morale for the nation and will be remembered as a defining time when we said no to discrimination.”

 road Andrew Cohen of The Atlantic writes about the next legal fight for gays in the military: "Now that the Pentagon will finally be recognizing the existence of such service members in its ranks, it will also as a matter of law and logic be recognizing the existence of same-sex partners or same-sex spouses. But those folks are barred by the federal Defense of Marriage Act from receiving some of the benefits that opposite-sex partners or opposite-sex spouses would receive from the military."

 road The Freedom Federation would like to see a repeal of yesterday's repeal: "This action will be overturned in the next Congress because it breaks the bond of trust that must exist between the military and those who command in the Pentagon and Congress."

Joe road Joe Lieberman says that yesterday's vote to repeal DADT has nothing to do with his decision to potentially run for a fifth term in 2012.

 road Nate Silver on why some Republicans may have voted for the repeal: "All of this is just Politics 101: when a policy initiative enjoys the support of 60 or 70 or 80 percent of the public, it is liable to garner some bipartisan support."

 road The end of DADT means the return of ROTC to some college campuses: "The repeal of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" law barring gays and lesbians from serving openly in the armed forces won't be implemented for a few months yet, but it will immediately lead elite colleges to begin to reconcile with the military training program kicked off college campuses more than four decades ago. Harvard University President Drew Gilpin Faust promised in a November joint appearance with Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen at the school's Institute of Politics that the Reserve Officer Training Corps (ROTC) programs would return to Harvard once the Don't Ask law was repealed."

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  1. I just hope that the implementation process isn't dragged out forever. Seeing how Obama has done everything he could to delay the repeal, I wouldn't put it past him and his administration and the Pentagon to drag their feet in finally ending it. Secretary Gates keeps saying that for now nothing has changed and that gay soldiers need to stay in the closet for the foreseeable future.

    Posted by: Brad | Dec 19, 2010 6:54:31 PM


  2. My school as ROTC, but because of DADT, they don't receive college credit for the courses. They're all happy with the repeal.

    This will probably take six months to a year, but that's to be expected and probably for the best.

    Posted by: Tyler | Dec 19, 2010 7:11:24 PM


  3. On Lieberman: He's not fooling anyone. After his approval ratings bottomed out with progressives over the late Summer, he had to do something to get them back.
    I just hope the masses see what he did had nothing to do with gay rights and everything about getting re-elected.

    Posted by: Rodney Wollam | Dec 19, 2010 7:12:07 PM


  4. I'm not a fan of Leiberman on most issues, but he has been a strong supporter of the gay community for his entire career. He certainly did not just jum on the bandwagon for political reasons.

    Posted by: J.P. | Dec 19, 2010 7:29:39 PM


  5. I've been wondering: would it be a good or a bad idea for all servicepeople to come out right now -- en masse? If tens of thousands of troops had to simultaneously be processed for DADT -- which will be implemented, but who knows when -- would that not speed up the implementation process? Would forcing the military to re-direct a huge amount of its resources into enforcing a dead law not also ispso facto bring an end to all discharges? And, if any troops were discharged, couldn't they just re-enlist after the implementation takes effect? That seems like a winning strategy for our side, but I have no idea if it really would be.

    Posted by: justme | Dec 19, 2010 7:49:01 PM


  6. I can't imagine that those gays and lesbians currenlty in the service are all that interested in coming out in the grand manner of civilian life. What they WILL have in 60 Day "implemintation period" is the assurance that they won't be shitcanned out of the service by someone trying to "out" them.

    And now how about ENDA?

    Hunh?

    How about it?

    Anyone?

    Bueller?

    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Dec 19, 2010 7:56:29 PM


  7. That may be, J.P., but he was the face of it for purely political reasons.
    By the way, as recently as 2008, Lieberman still opposes laws that would allow gays to marry. And, in 1993, was a yes vote for DADT.

    Posted by: Rodney Wollam | Dec 19, 2010 8:08:03 PM


  8. Freedom Federation? What an Orwellian name for an organization that aims at depriving people of rights!

    Shouldn't that be "Freedom Federation" in scare quotes? Like they do with "gay marriage"? or even "gay"? Come on, let's not buy their propaganda!

    Posted by: Kevinvt | Dec 19, 2010 8:09:40 PM


  9. 1. There is NO "de facto moratorium" on discharges.

    2. The "60 days" cannot be triggered until the Big Three certify they've created new regs, etc., and Gates said he would "need" "at least a year" to do that.

    Posted by: Michael@LeonardMatlovich.com | Dec 19, 2010 8:13:15 PM


  10. @Rodney Wollam

    That is not unique to Joe Lieberman though. You could say the same about most of the Democrats who were around in 1993 and voted to repeal DADT this week. What was acceptable then is politically incorrect now. That's the nature of politics.

    They change their mind all the time.

    Didn't we just see John Ensign change his mind about DADT about three times in one day?

    We also tend to forget how far sexual orientation discrimination as a concept has come in only a few short years. If you came up to Barbara Boxer, Diane Fienstein, or Nancy Pelosi as late as 2002 and asked about their views on marriage equality, they would have said they believe marriage is strictly between one man and one woman. Then they would have spouted some deliberately vague support for the concept of "domestic partnership" as an alternative. Eight years later though, the discourse has moved in a different direction and their positions have changed accordingly.

    Posted by: John | Dec 19, 2010 10:24:14 PM


  11. I went to the link "create a ripple effect" in the first paragraph of this post. I couldn't believe the homophobic nonsense! The Ticket blog seems to have a lot of really hostile, misinformed readers. The link is here if anyone wants to join the frey:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_theticket/20101219/ts_yblog_theticket/in-a-historic-vote-the-senate-overturns-dont-ask-dont-tell

    Posted by: Dan | Dec 19, 2010 11:18:08 PM


  12. The discharges still continue.

    Anthony Bustos, an Army medic was discharged under "don't ask" on December 9, 2010.
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2010-12-20-dadt20_ST_N.htm

    Please demand that our Fierce Advocate issue an executive order halting ALL proceedings NOW, pending further review and implementation.

    Posted by: TruthSeeker_Too | Dec 20, 2010 3:20:10 AM


  13. @JUSTME, do you have even one day's experience in the military? Didn't think so.

    Posted by: Career | Dec 20, 2010 3:57:35 AM


  14. Dirty little secrets that the activists don't want to mention: First: 85% of gay service personnel don't want their sexuality known within the military even without DADT in place. Second: More than 95% of DADT discharges were initiated by the gay military member as a means of leaving the service early.

    Posted by: Career | Dec 20, 2010 4:01:03 AM


  15. Wonderful, now the gays can openly join the wanton murder of people around the world, all in benefit of corporate greed

    Posted by: MilanC | Dec 20, 2010 9:56:13 AM


  16. @ career: you're either a cretin or a liar. Pick your hat. In either case, you're obviously a homophobe TROLLing gay blogs.

    Tho your 85% figure is NONSENSE, it is true that studies show that the majority of gays will not come out even when the ban is actually ended, but that is VERY different than the implication that they don't want to be protected from being fired if their gayness is discovered.

    You also pulled the second statistic out of your ass. There is NO research claiming that 95% "told" to get out of the military.

    The closest CLAIM that comes to that is between 80 & 85% of discharges result from "statements." [The balance tracked are involve being caught having gay sex or marrying/attempting to marry.] BUT the assertion by the Pentagon that every one of those cases involved the service member telling his/her superior he/she was gain is nonsense because they don't track [or publish] figures on third-party outings such as that of Victor Fehrenbach. They don't break down the many times someone simply shared the fact with someone in his/her unit, with NO desire to get out, wrongly thinking they could be trusted...or that person innocently repeating it to someone else who then rats out the gay service member.

    So please peddle your bullshit someplace else.

    Posted by: Michael@LeonardMatlovich.com | Dec 20, 2010 12:28:38 PM


  17. Poor Michael, so hysterical. Look, take "Yes" for answer. DADT has been repealed. It's what we all wanted. Now the professional activists can move on to something else, and Dan Choi can try to get a job.

    Posted by: Career | Dec 20, 2010 2:45:08 PM


  18. Poor, Career, so willfully retarded in the name of His Lord & Savior Obama Christ.

    "Even after a successful U.S. Senate vote and after the President signs the bill, service members will remain at risk for investigation and discharge. “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” will still be the law until 60 days after the Commander-in-Chief, Secretary of Defense, and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs certify repeal can happen." - SLDN.

    Posted by: Michael@LeonardMatlovich.com | Dec 20, 2010 3:07:05 PM


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