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There's Now a Snowball's Chance in Hell 'DADT' Will be Repealed

Hopes for 'DADT' repeal hit a new low this morning following Harry Reid's announcement of scheduling for the next two weeks in the Senate, in which the Defense Bill, is, at best, an afterthought, at worst, completely dead.

It's nowhere to be seen on the Senate schedule.

Reid In the video (via americablog), after the jump, Reid lays out the schedule for now until December 17th, when the Senate adjourns. In it, there's no mention of the Defense bill, or DADT repeal. Finally, he is prodded by a colleague to say something on the Defense bill.

"Oh yeah, that."

Reid indicates that the major sticking point on the Defense bill is the amendment process. The Republicans, of course, are demanding an "open amendment process" which Reid says is a no-go. Reid says he would be open to considering some amendments if there are time agreements on those amendments.


Meanwhile, GOP Senators are laying out new "bogus" and "arbitrary benchmarks for how long it might take to debate the Defense bill.

And would Reid extend the session into Christmas break to debate the NDAA and DADT?

Also, Kerry Eleveld has a thorough piece on where we stand at the moment. It's not good.

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  1. Obama, Reid and Pelosi are as useless as a pair of wet tampons. Frankly I am glad that the Democrats had their asses handed to them this year. I don't think we can do much worse with the Republicans and if they throw us a few bones I may even give them some money.

    Posted by: Tank | Dec 6, 2010 11:09:26 AM

  2. Let the courts do it. That's just fine.

    Posted by: Joey Y | Dec 6, 2010 11:20:13 AM

  3. This was exactly Obama's plan all along, so he could put up his hands and say "wasn't my fault". Having his cake and eating it too.

    Fucking liars.

    Posted by: kc | Dec 6, 2010 11:21:38 AM

  4. Pelosi got DADT repeal passed in the house. She had a huge majority and there is no filibuster. The democrats just need to insure that DADT repeal is never stricken from the Defense Authorization bill. That bill has to be taken up at some point in the next few weeks even if that spills over into the new congress. So we will see who is really on board and who isn't.
    The republicans are blocking this. It's not Obama's fault if the Senate can't find 60 votes right now. He did his part by instructing the military and defense department to undergo a review of DADT repeal (which they completed); and has vowed to sign the bill when it gets to his desk. What else could he do except hold public speeches on the matter? That's just talk in the end.

    Posted by: Brian in Texas | Dec 6, 2010 11:26:15 AM

  5. You know, I wouldn't have a problem with this "IF" the democrats stood their ground on the tax cuts for the wealthy. The problem is that the Republicans have for 2 years now refused to compromise on ANYTHING and the Democrats just give up and let them have their way. If the Democrats just stood their ground (especially on the TAX issue) the Republicans would have to blink. Instead, they just continuously let them have their way. You can't blame the republicans, if I got my way every time I threw a tantrum I've be doing the same thing. The Democrats are rewarding bad behaviour. As I've stated before, until the Democrats finally wake up and realize you can't deal with Sociopaths we're in for more of the same. Why they don't wake up, I don't have a clue... it is both puzzling and irritating.

    Posted by: Mike | Dec 6, 2010 11:28:14 AM

  6. Seems like it might have a better chance to pull it out of the authorization bill at this point. Then Brown, Collins and Snowe could vote just for that.

    Posted by: George | Dec 6, 2010 11:32:25 AM

  7. At least the courts are mostly reliable (relatively speaking)

    Posted by: ravewulf | Dec 6, 2010 11:34:06 AM

  8. the democrat majority totally caved into the repuks. the repuks got everything. dems nothing. reid is castrated. hot air winds out.
    the repuks now run the country because the democrats from the president on down don,t have the balls to stand up to them. i wonder what party general clark is? he could run and have my vote.

    Posted by: walter | Dec 6, 2010 11:58:07 AM

  9. This is a political maneuver, perhaps designed as a "love it or leave it" demand that military funding be passed with the DADT repeal intact or bypass such funding completely.

    Posted by: Chuck Mielke | Dec 6, 2010 12:02:35 PM

  10. The democrats have "caved" conveniently on the tax cuts because they themselves, and their highest donors, would "suffer" if taxes were raised on the wealthiest. Poor wealthiest.

    But they had to make a show of trying to get the middle-class tax cuts alone passed, in order to appear to "stay true to their core values." None of them really wanted it. There's no other explanation.

    If making a show of it and still allowing the tax cuts for all happen meant that DADT repeal falls to the wayside, so be it. Not the first time that gays were thrown under the bus for minor political conveniences. In their eyes, we are expendable, and, I hope erroneously in the next election, dependable.

    Obama has probably sealed his fate as a one-term president. What a disappointment.

    Posted by: Andalusian Dog | Dec 6, 2010 12:04:50 PM

  11. You're wrong about Nancy Pelosi, TANK. She's one of the most effective Speakers of the House in recent memory: that's why Republicans have been targeting her so forcefully. She's consistently managed to whip her caucus into line for the past four years, and the sheer number of important bills she's passed (and damaging bills she's killed) has been staggering.

    Everything that has gone wrong in the legislature in the past 2+ years can be laid at the feet to Harry Reid. He is, quite possibly, one of the most incompetent Senate majority leaders I have ever seen. If he had any legislative or leadership ability AT ALL, he would have called the Republicans' bluff as soon as they started filibustering EVERYTHING, whether by threatening to implement the Republicans' own "nuclear option" against them or by simply forcing the filibustering Senators to ACTUALLY FILIBUSTER (i.e., stand on the floor of the Senate and talk 24/7). If the Democratic Senatorial caucus had any sense, they would have stripped Reid of his position last year or, at the very least, after this past election.

    At this point, the only hope we have is for Jeff Merkley's filibuster reform bill to pass. For more information, see:

    Posted by: Rich | Dec 6, 2010 12:14:18 PM

  12. Ugg. What a disappointment. The Democrats are spineless and full of empty promises. They deserve to be voted out of office. With the Repulsivcans, we know exactly what we are dealing with.

    Posted by: gary | Dec 6, 2010 12:18:27 PM

  13. @ Brian in Texas - Let me help you with your third grade understanding of politics. What more could Obama do? He could engage in old-fashioned horse trading to get DADT repeal passed, he could get the Joint Cheifs in line, he could stop feeding the opposition by tolerating a Justice department that files homophobic briefs in DADT and DOMA cases, and he could have insisted on a much better deal when the DOD insisted on doing a "study" on something that has been studied to death. he could do all those things, for starters.

    The people who argue that Obama in the WH is better that Mccain in the WH are absolutely right. No question about that. But to argue that obama has "done all he could" is cynical and stupid beyond comprehension.

    Posted by: JusticeontheRocks | Dec 6, 2010 12:21:49 PM

  14. Man is your country embarrassing. Like, this has been going on for HOW LONG? No marriage equality, no open military service, no anti discrimination laws- not really anyway... You know, for a country that has the word "United" in the effing name, you have to be about the most divided nation on the planet.

    As a Canadian, I feel like we're the Conner family living next to Kathy Bowman on Roseanne, having to explain for our closed-minded, needle-butt neighbour to minimize embarrassment.

    Is there ONE DAY the US can go without being irritating?! Stop it!

    Posted by: kthxbai | Dec 6, 2010 12:34:43 PM

  15. Not sure why Reid thinks he is entitled to an extra long holiday. As someone who foots his salary, I think that bozo and the rest of the Senate better get back to work and stay at work until this stuff is done.

    This is shit, plain and simple. No matter who is in power, no matter how large a majority of people support something, and no matter how much a policy flies in the face of our values, social conservatives always win and effectively hold our country back.

    Posted by: Joe | Dec 6, 2010 12:40:09 PM

  16. You didn't really expect this to be repealed this year, did you? And it won't be in the next two...unless the courts do it. And when they do, you have a credible reason to not vote for obama: his justice dept's opposition to it.

    Posted by: TANK | Dec 6, 2010 1:11:36 PM

  17. And I didn't post the first comment here. It's only a problem when people think it's me...which is rare.

    Posted by: TANK | Dec 6, 2010 1:13:07 PM

  18. tank

    agreed on obama and reid

    Pelosi got dadt repeal through the house + over 400 other pieces of legislation..... still waiting on the senate

    Posted by: | Dec 6, 2010 1:13:44 PM

  19. @ Justice: BRAVO! Even tho it's a waste of time to try to get "Brian In Obama's Ass" to FINALLY pull his head out, for anyone misled, let's examine the NONDEBATABLE part of his idiocy. He blithely bleats:

    "[DEFAUTH] has to be taken up at some point in the next few weeks even if that spills over into the new congress."

    FACT: ALL unpassed bills DIE at the end of a given session of Congress. Of course, DEFAUTH will be reintroduced in some form, BUT

    FACT: Because of the Dem losses in the midterms, a reintroduced "option to repeal" amendment would not pass again in the House, let alone the Senate where, while they barely kept their majority with 53 actual Dems and, in terms of this issue, a functional Dem in Independent Lieberman, that isn't enough to force cloture on a filibuster.

    As of the final day of this session [officially they could run through January 4th], not only will the ban repeal option amendment be dead for AT LEAST two years, but also ENDA and UAFA. [No one realistic believes a DOMA repeal bill would have stood a chance anyway.]

    FACT: When one of Obama's bigggest fans like "The Advocate's" Kerry Eleveld writes the following, there is no doubt where the blame originates:

    "But here’s the truth: it will be a fundamental failure of leadership from the top down, starting with President Obama.

    The White House chose not to address “don’t ask, don’t tell” until 2010; then they let the Pentagon set the release date of the working group study for December and make the Senate vote contingent on its review.

    In fact, no one seemed more frustrated with this timeline than Sen. Levin at the end of Friday’s hearing on the Pentagon report.

    During an exchange with one of the witnesses, Levin noted that pushing the bill through during the lame-duck session “wasn’t our timing,” referring to Democrats on his committee.

    “We’re trying to get this bill to the floor, we’ve been trying for a long time. We didn’t pick the lame duck to take this up,” Levin said. “We didn’t set the time for the report.” ...

    If tax cuts had been pushed through before the midterms, there might be “ample time” now to debate the Defense authorization bill too, but neither the White House nor the Democratic leadership fought to make that happen.

    Meanwhile, the White House has opted to put START in the pipeline after the tax cuts for no apparent reason. By most people’s estimations, START could absolutely be passed next year despite increased Republican control of Congress.

    As Sen. Joe Lieberman told me after the hearings on Friday: “In my opinion, there’s more urgency to the Defense authorization bill than START. I’m going to be for START, but ya know, we could do that in January or February.” ...

    Bottom line, if "don't ask, don't tell" repeal dies on the vine, the White House earned this epic failure and they own it." END QUOTE.

    Posted by: | Dec 6, 2010 1:31:44 PM

  20. Woah! More intelligent commentary from Tank, Always nice to see. I also like seeing some Dem hate. If you want to be disappointed in Obama, you need to shut your damn mouth, turn slightly, and just UNLOAD on the dems.

    Obama is doing a good to OK job as president, he could be better sure, but he is what he is. The Dems in congress and (kinda) all over, they have been failing like they are paid to fail.

    Posted by: Fenrox | Dec 6, 2010 1:32:46 PM

  21. No, he's really not doing an ok job as president, fenrox. The bully pulpit is collecting cobbwebs...because he still thinks he's in the senate...and only briefly...still thinks he's a community organizer. The bush tax cuts for the wealthiest threaten to become permanent, and the commander asleep is still relying on bipartisan solutions with scorched earth republicans. You are an obot. IGNORED.

    Posted by: TANK | Dec 6, 2010 1:36:04 PM

  22. And yes, the next three weeks (the lame duck congress, basically) are the most important of obama's presidency. They will make or break him as a credible president. This is his moment, and it's ending fast.

    Posted by: TANK | Dec 6, 2010 1:37:48 PM

  23. The next three weeks may make or break Obama as a credible president, but they will not determine whether he is re-elected. The state of the economy and the quality of his opposition will determine that.

    Posted by: justiceontherocks | Dec 6, 2010 1:41:48 PM

  24. Of course, the economy, and specifically, the unemployment rate and job creation are the most important factors determining his reelection. If he's not present (and that's all it will take) for an about face on those issues, his chances are seriously threatened. Which explains why he simply doesn't care about his base. The quality of his opposition is far less a significant there is no quality in the republican leadership or candidate pool. But they're winning, so their strategy isn't really in need of change.

    As for as a president, his track record is looking gloomy. We need a Theodore Rex, not a calvin coolidge. And Obama is no Teddy Roosevelt...not fit to shine his shoes.

    Posted by: TANK | Dec 6, 2010 1:48:16 PM

  25. Okay, let the courts force them to do it. Barry and the Senate more than had their chance (and to Ms. Pelosi and the members of the House, thank you for doing your job).

    Posted by: ichabod | Dec 6, 2010 2:01:15 PM

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