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There's Now a Snowball's Chance in Hell 'DADT' Will be Repealed

Hopes for 'DADT' repeal hit a new low this morning following Harry Reid's announcement of scheduling for the next two weeks in the Senate, in which the Defense Bill, is, at best, an afterthought, at worst, completely dead.

It's nowhere to be seen on the Senate schedule.

Reid In the video (via americablog), after the jump, Reid lays out the schedule for now until December 17th, when the Senate adjourns. In it, there's no mention of the Defense bill, or DADT repeal. Finally, he is prodded by a colleague to say something on the Defense bill.

"Oh yeah, that."

Reid indicates that the major sticking point on the Defense bill is the amendment process. The Republicans, of course, are demanding an "open amendment process" which Reid says is a no-go. Reid says he would be open to considering some amendments if there are time agreements on those amendments.


Meanwhile, GOP Senators are laying out new "bogus" and "arbitrary benchmarks for how long it might take to debate the Defense bill.

And would Reid extend the session into Christmas break to debate the NDAA and DADT?

Also, Kerry Eleveld has a thorough piece on where we stand at the moment. It's not good.

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  1. He's not fit to shine LBJ's shoes, let alone Teddy's.

    The Republicans now "running" are a singularly undistinguished, and unelectable group. I'd expect them to look for someone not now on the radar. Too early to judge the quality of the GOP ticket.

    Posted by: justiceontherocks | Dec 6, 2010 2:05:59 PM

  2. The entire DADT repeal saga has been a lesson in how NOT to fight for your rights. You can't expect to win rights by sitting on your ass and posting comments on blogs. You can't expect to win rights from the comfort of your own home. You can't expect to win rights when the DEMOCRAPS are "leading" the fight. If you are not protesting, marching, engaging in civil disobedience, and organizing direct action, the PROVEN methods for winning civil rights in this country as opposed to the RIGHT WING fantasy that lobbying will do it... then you will not get rights. The LGBT community does not want to be equal. We really don't. If we did, we would act like it and we would do the things it takes to make equality a reality. We refuse to do that. We insist on repeating the same failed strategies over and over and over and over and over again. Go back to sleep everyone. Sorry, gay kids, it doesn't get better.

    Posted by: bob newhart | Dec 6, 2010 2:11:04 PM

  3. With all due rspct, justiceontherocks, it's two years away. The race for the candidacy has already begun. There won't be any dark horse candidates from the republicans in the next two years...this is the time to size up the battleground.

    Posted by: TANK | Dec 6, 2010 2:21:32 PM

  4. Obama is an idiot if he doesn't sign an executive order when repeal fails.

    Not only is it good for us, good for his liberal base, but it will also be a show of executive power and will set the precedent for the next 2 years - that he won't be pushed around.

    But of course, he's probably much too weak to do anything that would make him look strong. Both he and Harry Reid are the spitting image of the weak liberal conservatives paint.

    Posted by: Joe | Dec 6, 2010 2:24:43 PM

  5. Surprise, surprise. NOT!

    The real question is WHY the f*** isn't DADT going to be repealed? Over 70% of the people want it and so do the troops. The COURTS have said it violates our US Constitution.

    Yet, the homophobes want this discriminatory law to continues. ALL of those in DC, including Reid are freaking liars. He should have lost this election. There will be HELL TO PAY.

    Or better yet, there is now a snowball chance in hell that the MAJORITY of Democrats will ever support the freaking weasels in DC who are basically WHORES for the Oligarchy that has taken over our Democracy.

    Posted by: FunMe | Dec 6, 2010 2:29:40 PM

  6. @Bob Newhart, God damn it I hate almost all you you spineless commentators. Your stupid fear in other areas of your stupid small life have made you so pathetic. All you can do is post on blogs your stupid hyperbolic rehash of opinions you claim not to have.

    So some mouth breather on Fox says "Scare tactic #235" and you get freaked out and blog about it, then when thinking about it for 5 seconds, you freak yourself out with some new iteration of scare tactic 235. Add some time and now your "opinion" is a concrete personal fact, one that lets you add a slight tone of credibility the next time you regurgitate some more fear mongering.

    "It doesn't get better" So lets get this straight:

    In 2010, the world is getting worse because out-of-the-closet gay kids can not enlist in the armed forces as openly gay individuals in America. The debate is just before it's peak, if the policy isn't revoked this year, it easily will be within the next 10 years.

    Wow, things must have been just rainbows and kittens for the gays up until this point.

    Posted by: Fenrox | Dec 6, 2010 2:31:34 PM

  7. It's over. Anyone gay who wants to defend this country is an idiot.

    Posted by: LAXJFK | Dec 6, 2010 2:35:08 PM

  8. There's only one question left: do we, en masse, move our votes out of the Democrat column, either by voting for other candidates or by sitting home?

    If the answer to that question is no--if we vote our fears, if we convince ourselves this is the best we'll ever get--then our movement is over. We've gone as far as we can with the Democrats, who have enjoyed one-party rule in DC for two years but won't see that kind of power again for years, if not decades.

    If the answer is yes, however--if we can manage to move a bloc of votes elsewhere to punish the Democrats' total betrayal of our movement, our dignity, our value as citizens and voters and contributors and activists--if we can move our votes then we might have a chance of forcing equal rights through the two-party roadblock erected by our enemies in DC.

    Posted by: the greasybear | Dec 6, 2010 2:40:16 PM

  9. Tank - back at you on the respect - we can't really judge candidates like the governors of Louisiana and Minnesota, just to name two. who are still below the radar. To that extent it's still too early.

    If Obama runs against Gingrich, Palin, Romney, Huckabee, Scott Brown, etc. he wins unless there are soup kitchens on every corner. You are absolutely right that this accounts for his lack of urgency in serving his constituents.

    Posted by: justiceontherocks | Dec 6, 2010 2:40:43 PM

  10. There you have one of the two reasons DADT will not be repealed and is in danger of being extended and even made more odious: Harry Reid. The other? Nancy Pelosi. If one needs to understand clearly WHY the past two years have been a disaster for the Democrats, Liberals, Progressives and anybody who cares about our country, look no further than the inept leadership of Pelosi in the House and Reid in the Senate. We are f*cked. And, you all might as well get used to nothing getting done for the next two years until the republicons take control of the Senate and the White House. Get your passports. You're gonna need 'em.

    Posted by: mikej | Dec 6, 2010 2:42:02 PM

  11. Hey fenrox, don't the Ziff brothers have better things to spend their money on than you? I mean they contributed over $100,000 to Obama's campaign, shouldn't they be saving up for '12 instead of paying trolls like you to spew your propaganda? Oh, that's right, my bad, you wall street fuckers are making out like bandits with your bought and paid for presidency. great return on your investment, huh? Still, trolling the gay blogs? I'd think they'd have promoted you to firedoglake by now. Fucking scumbag.

    Posted by: gaylib | Dec 6, 2010 2:44:44 PM

  12. C'mon...bobby jindal? Tim Pawlenty? Total nobodies. We can judge jindal's prospects: none. Below the radar two years from game day is beneath consideration. At least when mccain mounted his comeback, he wasn't a nobody like sam brownback.

    Posted by: TANK | Dec 6, 2010 2:45:41 PM

  13. I want to see Outserve organising a Coming Out Day, where its entire membership comes out en masse to their leaders. If they are discharged it will be for the best. Working for a disgustingly bigotted organisation like the US Army is unacceptable for ANY LGBT person.

    The courts, civil disobedience, direct action and social unrest are the ONLY ways we will achieve our right.

    Posted by: MaryM | Dec 6, 2010 2:53:12 PM

  14. Obama was a nobody in 2006. I'll avoid the question of whether he should still be.

    The usual suspects are lining up behind Romney now. It won't take them long to figure out that won't fly. The gOp is scared shitless of the Tea Baggers and all these reality show TV folks. Watch them. They'll dig up someone.

    Posted by: justiceontherocks | Dec 6, 2010 3:01:04 PM

  15. Before we lay blame for this sorry situation completely on Barack Obama(and he does deserve part of it), don't forget about how Gay veterans "advocacy" groups like SLDN and SU supported a wholly political strategy and actively opposed lobbying for a Presidential stop/loss order! These arrogant traitors to the Gay Rights movement were perfectly willing to stand by and let dozens of Lesbian and Gay servicemembers continue getting discharged while their little game on Capitol Hill played out. Yes, discharges may have slowed, but you can be sure that they'll pick up again(especially in the Marine Corps). However few DADT discharges there are, justice hasn't been served until the firings stop altogether! For God's sake, don't let Aubrey Sarvis and his ilk off the hook for their failed strategy. They sold LesBiGay vets out big time!

    Posted by: Stuffed Animal | Dec 6, 2010 3:05:42 PM

  16. As far as Reid goes, he clearly has been paid to throw the match. What a worthless and unethical idiot we supposedly have on our side. Pathetic.

    Posted by: Pointed | Dec 6, 2010 5:01:17 PM

  17. Obama was a phenomenon, and those are rare. Not typical, as the smart money was on hillary. As it stands, the money's on romney for the repub ticket. And it absolutely won't fly. But he may be the best that they have. As far the teaparty is concerned, that's over as of 2010. The know nothings will shrink back into the periphery where they belong, and be absorbed by the republican party, as they largely already have been. That ship has sailed. I just don't believe that we're going to be surprised at this stage in the game by anything the republicans can bring to the table (I reserve to be wrong, of course)...even pawlenty is largely unknown, and what is known isn't traction, no action.

    Posted by: TANK | Dec 6, 2010 5:13:21 PM

  18. ding ding ding

    Tank hit the nail on the head

    Obama governs like a senator

    He is the perfect example of why senators rarely get elected POTUS to begin with let alone end up being 2 term president's

    Posted by: | Dec 6, 2010 5:19:06 PM

  19. "Obama governs like a senator."

    Absolutely agreed on this.

    And as someone who voted for him for Senator, this is EXACTLY what I was afraid of.

    After Scott Brown's election in Massachusetts, he did use the bully pulpit to make sure health insurance reform got through (or he would have faced an even worse midterm election than he did).

    Posted by: Chitown Kev | Dec 6, 2010 6:09:14 PM

  20. LGBT people should not risk life and limb for the oil companies.

    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Dec 6, 2010 7:15:16 PM

  21. I know we are mostly Democrats, and we put our faith in them, but I have bad news for all of you, they are always supporting our rights, but when push comes to shove,they throw us under the bus too, witness Defense Of Marriage Act, DADT, passed under Clinton, we are second class citizens to both parties, and all the whining will not change that.We will have to demonstrate more, march more, etc,it is that simple!

    Posted by: jeff | Dec 7, 2010 11:23:22 AM

  22. In one of the several highlights from Michelle Bachmann’s (R) appearances on the Sunday talk show circuit, the Minnesota Congresswoman’s vowed continued support for the now repealed “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell” policy.

    On CNN’s “State of the Union”, host Candy Crowley asked Bachmann about whether she would bring back the controversial policy. The Ames Straw Poll winner was not hesitant to keep her same position on the issue.

    “The ‘Don’t Ask Don’t Tell’ policy has worked very well,” Bachmann said. “It worked very well, and I would be in consultation with our commanders. But I think yes, I probably would.”

    Posted by: facebook likes pages | Oct 14, 2011 9:37:35 PM

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