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  1. Mike says

    OMG, this is fricken unbelievable. All this birther shit is just code for the fact they don’t want a black man to be president. All the news outlets need to stop giving free press time to these hate mongers to enable them to spread their nonsense.

  2. Thom says

    I would disagree, but respect Rep. Berman honesty more if he would just say get that bleep out of the office. Anderson destroyed his crackpot facade and revealed his true colors. Thanks Anderson!

  3. Brad says

    I’m still holding the belief that this is politics, not racism. I don’t think I could handle the fact that in the year 2010 an elected official in any state could be that racist.

    (Although I am still in shock that an elected official could actually. and so easily, spout out such inaccuracies.)

  4. Mike says

    @Brad,

    I’m sorry to say that you’ll have to adjust your world view to the facts. According to a poll in 2006:

    “Almost half of black respondents — 49 percent — said racism is a ‘very serious’ problem, while 18 percent of whites shared that view. Forty-eight percent of whites and 35 percent of blacks chose the description ‘somewhat serious.’

    Asked if they know someone they consider racist, 43 percent of whites and 48 percent of blacks said yes.

    But just 13 percent of whites and 12 percent of blacks consider themselves racially biased.”

    Even if that 13% number of self-confessed racism among whites is low, it stands to reason that at least some white politicians are racists.

    http://articles.cnn.com/2006-12-12/us/racism.poll_1_whites-blacks-racism?_s=PM:US

  5. Brad says

    @Mike

    Thanks for the feedback. I learn by reading the facts from opposing opinions.

    Unfortunately this time I learned something I didn’t want to know. The “birther” movement was actually started by Clinton supporters after she conceded the race to President Obama.

    That bothers me because I was a Clinton supporter and hate to think anyone I joined up with was racist and/or stupid.

  6. BobN says

    The only thing that would improve these takedowns is if Anderson would wear the bunny costume like he did for the bonobos.

    [Yes, I’m passed the point of being able to take politics seriously anymore. Embrace the absurdity….]

  7. Anastasia Beaverhausen says

    I hate to be the voice of reason, but the item shown on the screen while Cooper is talking about the birth certificate is a Hawaii “Certificate of Live Birth” which is not a birth certificate.

    The former governor said she saw the actual birth certificate, so it allegedly does exist. If it does exist then why can’t we see it? I can go down to the courthouse tomorrow and see my original birth certificate on microfilm because it’s a public record and available to anyone unless a judge orders it to be sealed or expunged.

    The US Constitution requires the President to be a citizen. What’s wrong with a candidate for the office proving citizenship? The burden of proof lies with the candidate.

    It would cost a dollar or two for the whole world to see Obama’s actual birth certificate and put the matter to rest forever, so why has he spent millions of dollars on legal maneuvers to hide his?

    Cooper tried really hard to obfuscate, but just embarrassed himself by trying to pull a Fox.

  8. damon says

    On behalf of some of the people in Texas, I would like to say that not all of us are nut jobs. Unfortunately, there are dumbasses in powerful positions that make us look like knuckle draggers. Please understand that there are a ton of very smart people here who are victims of an ignorant regime.

  9. sparks says

    O. M. G.

    This guy’s tone, speech, and reasoning reminds me SO much of Andrew Shirvell. You hit him with a fact, and he counters with a completely fabricated assumption or rumor.

  10. Modern Meet says

    It’s a shame we have to sift through corporate entertainment requirements for news programing as they seek to elevate ratings. The corporate circus act that places reason on the same platform with the discredited likes of Elaine Donnelly, Tony Perkins and this idiot Leo Berman, is transparently show business. And, Anderson Cooper knows on which side his bread is buttered. Under the circumstances, I am all the more grateful for Towleroad. Thanks Andy!

  11. princely54 says

    Jesus Christ, “Anastasia Beaverhausen” (could you be more cliche?) if you really didn’t LISTEN and get the salient points, you really can’t be reasoned with.

  12. Rowan says

    Anastasia, I’ll show you mine after you show me yours!

    Did you beg, ask or plead to see president clintons birth certificate or….?

    He’s mum. Is a white American but if he was born on constantinoble that would make him what you prick?

    I’m black but lived in britain all my life and something tells me a which like you would consider me black first, ask where I come from instead of insisting like an addict on crack that I AM from England because I was born here.

    As usual the racists idiots on this blog give you a pass but some of stuff you guys come out with…

    Thank god I live in Europe.

  13. Bill Michael says

    Please don’t call the guy a “birther”. Call him a Bigot, SOB, NAZI, or whatever fits, but “birthers” are our brothers and sisters, mothers and fathers, and everyone else in our family. Some people have kids, some don’t, so being a “birther” doesn’t make you a rat bastard. A lack of kindness and a rush to judgement is what makes one a rat bastard.

  14. johnny says

    I love how this old f*ck won’t answer any of AC’s questions but counters with questions of his own. A typical wingnut tactic wherein they forget they chose to be interviewed on TV and might be asked some questions and will be expected to proffer some kind of an answer. Nope, just keep throwing up smoke and cow manure and smile like a smug, rich bastard until it’s over. Such a nice guy.

    Favorite quote: “It’s common knowledge.”

  15. james says

    It never ceases to amaze me that we force people to retire at the age of 65 because they are supposedly incapable of pushing a broom and yet these old senile guys get to run the country. No one over the age of 65 should be able to be in public office. The end.

  16. RandyO says

    This was a quite good interview. Loved that when AC proved that his belief that O’s birth certificate was fake or missing, he immediately wanted to change the subject! Same with his visit to Pakistan. They will never be satisfied until Christianity rules and non-believers are killed. How sad.

  17. Anastasia Beaverhausen says

    Princely54: Please cite some facts. I notice you haven’t disputed mine.

    Rowan: We have a document in the United States called the Constitution. It is the highest law of the land and if it says the President must be a citizen then the President must be a citizen. President Clinton’s birth in Hope, Arkansas and his early childhood was a major focus of his candidacy and was thoroughly exploited by his campaign (see http://clinton4.nara.gov/WH/EOP/OP/html/Hope.html). The balance of your comment is incoherent, but I care not the color of your skin (and you don’t know mine).

  18. Lakeguy says

    @Anastasia What’s wrong with it is that Obama is the first president that is being forced to re-prove it. Fact of the matter is he has already proven it and if you’d like to see his birth certificate, feel free to get yourself to Hawaii and take a look at it just like factcheck.org did.

    Don’t mask your partisanship underneath a sheen of reasonableness when all reasonable people have accepted his citizenship just as they did every other president before him.

    Let me also say that if you really want to be associated with the loon that Anderson took down, then you may want to rethink your life strategy.

  19. Anastasia Beaverhausen says

    Lakeguy: Factcheck.org did not see the birth certificate, they saw the “Certificate of Live Birth” which in Hawaii can be obtained by affidavit (or established by a real birth certificate, but not necessarily so). An affidavit is not a fact, it is a claim by any deponent willing to risk the penalty of perjury for whatever motive they may have. I can file an affidavit claiming that I have a talking unicorn in my back yard (he says his name is Lance). You want to see Lance and talk to him? Read my affidavit; that’s all the proof you need, right? If Hawaii’s laws or procedures are so lax as to make their “Certificate of Live Birth” unreliable for establishing citizenship then that is Hawaii’s shame and their problem to fix. It doesn’t invalidate the US Constitution no matter how much you like the scofflaw. If you don’t understand that then Google “federalism” or read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalism

    The document that Anderson Cooper’s director kept showing while Cooper was saying “birth certificate” is not a birth certificate and that is why you are confused. Fox does that all the time too, knowing their brain-dead audience will hear words and see an image and conflate the two. Television “news” exists to deliver an audience to advertisers, not to tell you the truth; and you’d be disappointed by the low price your emotions fetch.

    Meanwhile, the former governor of Hawaii says she *saw* the actual birth certificate (and she was/is a Republican so had no reason to make a false claim — but she did say *saw* and not *read* so she left herself some wiggle room) so we know it is alleged to exist. If it exists then what does it say?

    Nobody has ever proven Obama’s citizenship because we can’t read his birth certificate. He could ask the Hawaii Department of Health to release it, but he hasn’t (FACT: he’s fought it at great expense). If they refused then he could sue them to have it released because it is causing him an occupational hardship, but he hasn’t. As president, he could federalize a unit of the Hawaii National Guard and order them to march over to the Department of Health and seize his birth certificate and immediately make it available for public inspection, but he hasn’t. FACT: Nobody has ever proven Obama’s citizenship.

    Calling me partisan (when you don’t know of my utter disdain for both wings of our single party system) doesn’t dispute the facts, but does show you have no facts to support your position, whatever it is.

  20. EJ says

    Why Oh Why would anyone even consider a single word Berman has stated, he could never, under any circumstances get anything right. Asking Copper to supply him with information proves was a total fool he is. If the facts (other than what the State Department has furnished) were incorrect, the total history of the President’s background would have come forward before the election, after all there are enough Republicans who hate him (Like Berman) that have not come forward rbe fore the election. Where are they and why hasn’t be brought them forward, they are runors and nothing more.

    God Help America with knucklehead like Berman given a free range, or is that what this country is based on, free speech is important as long as it is the truth.

  21. Michael says

    How can we have people like Mr. Berman in our Congress? Mind-boggling. What an enormous waste of time and energy and what an absurd bill. Surely there must be something more important we can focus our attention on…

  22. jerry says

    So Anastasia what does the Constitution require as proof of United States citizenship ? If I recall correctly ( and like Ms. O’Donnell I left my copy of the constituition home this morning) the constitution is silent as to what will constitute proof of US citizenship, however, it is supplied by the US Code below, and please note the US code does not require a birth certificate, it would appear according to the laws of the United states that the ‘certificate of live birth” you are so obsessed with would suffice.
    Title 8 of the U.S. Code fills in the gaps left by the Constitution. Section 1401 defines the following as people who are “citizens of the United States at birth:”

    Anyone born inside the United States *
    Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe
    Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
    Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national
    Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year
    Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
    Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time)
    A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
    * There is an exception in the law — the person must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.

    Anyone falling into these categories is considered natural-born, and is eligible to run for President or Vice President. These provisions allow the children of military families to be considered natural-born, for example.

    Separate sections handle territories that the United States has acquired over time, such as Puerto Rico (8 USC 1402), Alaska (8 USC 1404), Hawaii (8 USC 1405), the U.S. Virgin Islands (8 USC 1406), and Guam (8 USC 1407). Each of these sections confer citizenship on persons living in these territories as of a certain date, and usually confer natural-born status on persons born in those territories after that date. For example, for Puerto Rico, all persons born in Puerto Rico between April 11, 1899, and January 12, 1941, are automatically conferred citizenship as of the date the law was signed by the President (June 27, 1952). Additionally, all persons born in Puerto Rico on or after January 13, 1941, are natural-born citizens of the United States. Note that because of when the law was passed, for some, the natural-born status was retroactive.

    Source USConstitution.net courtesy of the nice folks at google

  23. Anastasia Beaverhausen says

    Jerry: Then one need only produce a birth certificate which would indicate parentage (in this case Obama’s alleged mother, who was a US citizen) and the place of his birth. Since a Hawaii “Certificate of Live Birth” can be obtained by (false) affidavit it does not suffice.

    If this alleged birth certificate exists (and the Republican ex-governor says is does) then let’s read it. So what if he was born in Kenya, he’d still be a US citizen if his mother is who we’re told she was. So what else could that birth certificate show that he doesn’t want us to know?

    If it says what we’re told it says then why does Obama fight its release at such great financial and political expense?

  24. says

    @Anastasia – Obama himself would not be able to obtain the original birth certificate. And if the “certificate of live birth” is sufficient for him to get a passport, which only U.S. citizens can get, why is that not enough? Are you honestly trying to parse semantics to suggest that the Republican Governor of Hawaii deliberately used the word “saw” rather than “read”? Give me a break.

  25. db says

    Anderson does an admirable job here but it’s hard to argue with willful ignorance. It wouldn’t matter what evidence he saw he’d still deny it. And the laziness of the man–he wants someone to bring it to him and show him personally but he can’t be bothered to find out for himself. The only thing I disagree with Anderson on is that this guy is a good person.

  26. Anastasia Beaverhausen says

    KEVIN_BGFH: See my earlier post. Obama could sue the state of Hawaii Department of Health for the release of his birth certificate due to its non-release causing him an occupational hardship. I doubt the court would refuse such a request from the President of the United States (or, prior to that, from the presidential nominee of a major political party). Now that he’s president, Obama also has other means at his disposal, but he pursues none of them and in FACT fights the release of his birth certificate, so he clearly has not tried to “obtain it”.

    Regarding the passport question, you’d have to ask the US State Department since I don’t make their rules.

    Regarding what the governor said, you’d have to ask her. I have no idea why she chose the words she did. I point-out that she’s left herself some deniability only for the amusement of the skeptical.

    One does not hide the truth when the truth is to one’s benefit. My guess is that there’s something on the birth certificate that would not disqualify Obama from the presidency, but would contradict his previous version of reality. As Nixon learned from Watergate, it’s not the misdeed that brings you down, it’s the attempt to hide the misdeed from the people. Americans know that all politicians are liars, but they won’t tolerate proof that they’ve been lied to and so cover-ups remain the favorite damage control technique despite the inevitable downfall they cause.

    Now if you’ll excuse me, Lance wants to play ‘ring toss’ (he’s the catcher).

  27. ted says

    @anastasia

    Maybe what they don’t want us to see is the name of the father.

    But you are absolutley correct. Why fight something, expending millions of dollars when simply showing it would end all debate – if what you claim is true. So my conjecture is that the lineage is not quite what they’d like.

  28. ted says

    ps There are a lot of haters on this blog – hating hating hating. Who taught you to hate, and why is it ok for you to hate republicans, people with a different point of view, a different anything?

  29. Nathan says

    I’m irritated with the Texas bashing. I moved to Austin in June, and this place is awesome. This would be akin to someone in Europe asking why all Americans are idiots. We aren’t. (It’s only about half of us.)

  30. wimsy says

    Berman is not in Congress. He’s a state rep in the Texas legislature, which is composed of whacko ideologues elected through the illegal use of funds by disgraced Congressman Tom Delay (The Hammer), who has been convicted of the federal crime he committed and faces sentencing shortly. Delay’s partisans were elected for the express purpose of gerrymandering the state’s congressional districts so more republicans would be elected…which they did, and which has happened. Trying to talk sense of any of them is a waste of oxygen, as Anderson Cooper proved.

  31. EJ says

    Let’s think about this folks!

    George Bush
    Tom Delay
    Two Wars
    Where does the need for a passport enter in when we have so many very real problems brought on by an idiot after 9/11.

    Life may get better but not with people like those two guys,
    walking on Teflon . . . what a magic world !

  32. jerry says

    Anastasia, you are 100% missing the point. Per the constitution and the US Code a Certificate of Live Birth will suffice. you are making an unsupported assertion that a Certificate of Live Birth will not suffice and that the affidavit will be false, with zero support for your position.
    I think Lance will outsmart you and win whatever games you play with him.

  33. Turing says

    I can’t believe CNN provides a forum for every lunatic with a hair brained theory. Just fyi…not sure if its a goof, but Wikipedia claims Leo Berman is a current member of the Association of Retarded Citizens of Tyler/Smith County, Texas. This, of course, explains so much.

  34. says

    The birther claims are nonsense, and every sane person knows this, except for the gullible few and white wingnut Republicans who simply cannot stand it that a black Democrat is in “their” White House. The fact that these nuts are given any platform whatsover 2 years into the Obama presidency, when their claims have been decisively dismissed time and time again, says a lot about the perversely skewed priorities of this country.

    And–putting aside all reason for one moment–if Obama was born in Kenya or on Mars and the McCain campaign was so positively inept that it couldn’t find proof of it in all the months of the campaign and since, then we should feel even luckier that the ancient McReptile isn’t in office now!

  35. Anastasia Beaverhausen says

    Jerry: You’re confusing what could be with what has been claimed to be. I never said the Hawaii “Certificate of Live Birth” was false, just that it could be based on a false affidavit and a simple reading of the actual birth certificate would disprove that possibility.

    The governor said the actual birth certificate exists. How does it harm Obama if we read it? It isn’t private information; it is public record just as my birth certificate is public record and can be read by anyone who can find a parking space at the courthouse (good luck with that, though).

    If Obama has nothing to hide then why is he going to such extreme effort and expense to hide it? Can anyone answer that question?

  36. says

    Perhaps more aptly: Why are right-wing extremists going to such extreme effort and expense to question the legitimacy of the first black President, a man who has been in office for 2 years already, and whose place of birth is not being challenged by any mainstream politician, including those who would love nothing more than having a Republican in the presidency right now? The burden of proof is on the birthers, since they’re the only ones holding on to this notion.

  37. Lakeguy says

    @Anastasia you have no way of knowing what he spent in legal fees because it is not a matter of public record. The claims of huge legal fees are usually based off of FEC filings which show distributions to his law firm of Perkins Coie.

    The problem with that is that Perkins Coie is general counsel for the campaign and responsible for ensuring compliance with finance laws, handling tax and contract issues, as well as advising and ensuring compliance with state election procedures. The other problem is that it ignores the fact that distributions were made to Perkins Coie since Obama announced his candidacy and well before the first frivolous birth certificate suit was filed. It also ignores the amount of work that has gone into defending the silly suits.

    Do you honestly walk around every day muttering about this? You seem like a smart gal/guy — there has to be bigger and better stuff to worry about. How about we focus on preventing the Republicans from bankrupting this country? What about stopping the Republicans from turning this land we love into a theocracy? Maybe we work together to prevent Republicans and Christianists from trying to kill both of us on the streets. These are things I’m sure we can agree on and work together to fix.

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