1. says

    @Joe, exactly. I personally can not stand Kurt on Glee (mostly can’t stand Glee as a whole anyway), and I’m looking forward to seeing an anti-stereotypical gay character who actually resembles a lot of gay people I know.

  2. mld says

    sad that kurt hummel is the only other gay youth character on tv, so by default he is the anti-hummel.

  3. PG says

    @Joe & Austin – yeah, I’d much prefer seeing homosexuals portrayed as sociopathic thugs who mindlessly screw scores of guys and prey on married men. It’s great – just as long as they don’t act like queens!

  4. WWNYC says

    The correct name of the actor is Cameron Monaghan, not Brendan Monaghan.

    And I’m sure TV can support all kinds of characters as gay teens; they shouldn’t be all one thing, any more than they are in real life.

  5. EchoMark says

    The original British version already aired on Sundance channel in the U.S. Hope the “U.S. version” doesn’t suck; the original is fantastically funny, and had great gay portrayals, IMO.

  6. pd says

    I’m looking forward to seeing this, I like the U.K. version of Shameless (which is based on)!!!

  7. says

    looks great

    the gay kid is a breath of fresh air as far as not being some queeny fashionista stereotype.

    Also, not sure if viewers are intended to get depressed over the character’s living conditions or what. if I met a family in such a situation like them I’d be moved to call in social services to help them and AA for the dad.

  8. Aaron says

    I’ve followed the original bbc version since season 5. The character of Ian in that series is about being gay in the slums and having to deal with a very harsh environment and still be able to be himself. You can youtube “shameless gay stories” and it follows the entire story of the BBC Ian from the beginning. I wonder if there are going to cast a “mickey” character. He’s the other gay guy – comes from a crime family – acts more like a buffoon than anything else but he is endearing and adorable.

  9. Lexxvs says

    After watching the purported trailer I was left with an urgent need to take a shower and compulsively clean everything in my house. The show looks that dirty.
    Ah, the gay character… he seems to be just an accident. Something wrong in the long list of all wrongs.

  10. says

    @PG, I just don’t think that all portrayals of gay teens need to be Kurt Hummel or Justin Suarez. I mean, I certainly have known and befriended a few gay guys throughout my life who fit into that mold, but I also knew quite a few sex-obsessed, chain-smoking, and (dare I say) aggressive gay teens as well.

    I don’t think there can be a gay character on TV that appeases everyone. It’s easier to be stereotypical than to challenge the notion that gay men are as different to each other as they are to straight men. And similar, for that matter. For certain, I know tons of people who love Kurt and think he’s a great role model and “conversation piece.” He just rubs me the wrong way for some reason. Maybe it’s the whole Finn-stalking storyline. Or the maudlin way they portrayed his dad’s heart attack. Who knows?

  11. says

    Why do people relish in having anti characters? Kurt isn’t a negative portrayal, as far as the hyper-reality of Glee goes, he’s pretty accurate to life actually. And who knows, maybe this Ian character will be genuine as well. But what exactly is the point in pitting these portrayals against each other?

    Raving about depictions that are anti-stereotype, for me, just seem to come off as anti-gay. Internalized homophobia and all that.

  12. Aaron says

    also, they totally missed frank’s character. He is supposed to be deceptively smart, quoting Shakespeare when he’s pissed drunk – he also lacking that suave ve faire that makes him a lady killer. again the bbc series he has 10+ kids including his wife’s half-sister. too racy for us primetime, i think so.

  13. ggreen says

    OMFG Becky!
    Steve Howey, the dufus son-in-law from “Reba” plays Kev the neighbor who gets the strap-on treatment from his girlfriend. Hot.

  14. Brian in Texas says

    Kurt is not the only gay character or gay teen character depicted on tv. He just may be the most high profile one. Some guys are femme or flamboyant, some are not. We’re all different. What’s the problem?

    Very excited to see this show.

  15. Gregoire says

    It’s an interesting idea, if they don’t try too hard. Even the most anti-stereotype, macho gay boy owns a Britney CD.

  16. Rowan says

    This will be interesting. As a Brit, I’m curious how this will pan out because we have a different welfare/benefit system to you guys. Smeone said they would call social services, well these guys in Britain and the show, are heavily involved with SS. I don’t know your system but ours is very easy to mess about with and scrounge.

    This family is very typical british in council estates etc. The ethnicity is always Irish gypsies which is why they NEVER want to work, have soo many kids and are really aggressive.

    The origin of these people also went to the south in the US, which I think has a very similar state of mind of people who live-aggressively and charmingly-by their own rules.

    I live in a county called Kent which had thousands of Irish gypsies which are all like that. Now Kent is very wealthy but parts are very deprived. Also because of their status as travellers, the govt went out of their way to support thm, which is good but one of the things Labour always failed at was grouping people into one circle and not having any measurement units around.

    Sounds harsh but of a group of people will never work or be able to work, you need to go one step further in making sure they are part of society because people will eventually get angry to fund their lifestyle.

    Also, this guy was a sweety! Not sure why he is a bad boy here???

    Yeah, he did that stuff but he was always supportng the family.

  17. alguien says

    sometime in the 90s i told a friend that i’d prefer to see a complex, richly drawn gay serial killer over a bland, goody two-shoes like will truman any day.

    that said, i like the character of kurt hummel a lot. yeah, he’s little, yeah he’s effeminate, yeah, he exemplifies a lot of stereotypes but he’s also one of the most powerful characters on the show and continually demonstrates an inner strength most of the other characters don’t have.

    not having had the opportunity to see shameless yet (but i want to) i can’t make any advance judgements on ian gallagher but i like what i see so far and i’m glad that, finally, there seems to be room for a variety of types of gay characters instead of the same stereotypes we’ve been force fed since the 60s.

  18. ratbastard says


    The U.S. contrary to common Euro/UK misconceptions, has a very extensive welfare/dole and social services system that exists on multiple levels. It’s generally funded partially or in whole by the central federal government but operated by the state governments. And yes, it’s easy to ‘Play’ and there is tremendous fraud, including in our very extensive subsidized healthcare plans [medicaid and medicare] and extensive housing subsidies.

    What you Brits call ‘Estates’, we Americans [and Canadians] call ‘The Projects’, i.e. housing projects. Also in the U.S., many variety-type food stores are operated my Muslims and/or Indians. It’s kind of a running joke in the U.S. with many pop culture references.

    As far as the Brit version being too ‘Racy’ for the U.S…..LOL…give me a break. And tv show concepts in both countries are frequently copied.

  19. John says

    The first season, 8 episodes, of the British version of Shameless, Series 1, is available in the U.S. Region 1 format at Amazon for $25.49. This is first year of the series, in which James McAvoy (Atonement) played Steve. I first got hooked on the original British series by renting it from Netflix, and then I had to buy my own copy from Amazon.

    The remaining seasons, through Series 7, is available only in the British Region 2 format. I purchased the boxed set of seasons 1 through 7 on Amazon, along with a multi-region DVD player. Amazon is also listing a Pioneer multi-region player for less than 80 bucks.

    With regard to the “anti-Hummel” controversy, maybe the gay community is still uncomfortable with internalized homophobia, and how the media should depict gay characters who are not conforming to a macho stereotype of masculinity. It is interesting that Kurt Hummel is played by an out gay man, while in both the British and U.S. versions of Shameless a straight actor is cast to play Ian. Are we projecting our own prejudices on what type of gay person we want to see portryed in the popular culture, like Newsweek’s Ramin Setoodeh’s columns suggest?

    There are gay men (and teens) who are jocks, and there are gay men and teens who are more effeminate. Are we so ashamed of femme type gay characters that we must construct an “anti-Hummel” paradigm to counter our fears of the full spectrum of male sexuality and gender expression?

  20. anon says

    Macy is definitely cringing at the prospect of seeing his career circle the drain with this over-the-top effort.

  21. BobN says

    Effeminate boys have borne the brunt of anti-gay bullying for, well, forever in part because they couldn’t hide it. Meanwhile, “normal” or even “straight-acting” boys cowered in the closet until college or post-college or their whole lives.

    So I can totally see why we’d want to marginalize the “flamboyant” among us…

  22. cd says

    “In an unapologetic, unexpected, new series,” originally produced in the UK and currently in its 8th series. Do American producers have no originality anymore?

  23. ratbastard says


    …You are aware British shows are copies of American, aren’t you? Do you know why American producers will use British TV concepts or buy British TV franchises? MONEY. It’s cheaper to produce something that’s already been created and tried. Just like it’s cheaper to film in Vancouver or Toronto, Canada for a lot of TV shows and movies. The Brits and Canadians are lucky the U.S. is an English-speaking country, otherwise they’d both be out a lot of money and influence.

    …And you are aware ‘British’ and American producers are mostly MULTINATIONAL, and have multinational financing?

    …This show looks kinda stupid anyways and honestly the British version of it, as I’ve heard it described, sounds even more outlandish.

  24. james says

    I watched the trailer. As much as I admire William H. Macy’s acting, I found nothing compelling about this show based on the trailer. It does not look like even remotely good entertainment to me.

  25. gregv says

    “sad that kurt hummel is the only other gay youth character on tv…”

    @MLD: Kurt isn’t the only one. Currently, there’s also Blaine on Glee, and Teddy and Ian on 90210 (in the USA), the two football players on Degrassi (from Canada), a guy on Skins (from Britain), etc.

  26. mad1026 says

    Loved the Brit version with James McAvoy. And what about Kier Gilchrist as Marshall Gregson on United States of Tara. He plays a confused young gay man to perfection while his family is in turmoil.

  27. Paul R says

    Apparently Shameless was too ashamed to mention that Ian is gay, even in the “behind the scenes” footage.

    I hope this show isn’t as bleak as it appears. Poor families “creatively” scraping by can be entertaining, even with crime and mild violence, but alcoholic single parents who leave child care to their eldest daughters while pissing away the family’s limited means at bars? Not so much.

    And Rowan, if it’s remotely true to life then they are eligible for and almost certainly receiving welfare assistance, including money, food (and food stamps to buy it), and a host of other goods and services provided by governments, charities, and churches. The U.S. safety net isn’t as extensive as Europe’s, but it exists. But if the father throws the money away on booze, not much can be done about that.

    And a (very) few areas in the U.S. provide free health care to people of limited means, including Massachusetts and San Francisco—our more liberal havens that realized it’s cheaper to prevent illness than treat it (hospitals can’t turn away sick people, and most poor sick people end up going to [absurdly expensive] emergency rooms once their illnesses have progressed sufficiently). And as someone mentioned, there’s the federal government’s Medicaid program for poor people and Medicare for senior citizens.

  28. Henry Holland says

    I watched the first 4 series of the British version and this one looks good, but I have the same complaint that I had about the US version of “Queer as Folk”: why just film the scripts from the British version? The Yank QAF’s first 12 or so episodes were just the British series without the good acting. Why not use the basic premise but have original stories from the get go? (I know why, of course: saves on writers fees).

  29. Sylvatica says

    I live on a council estate, and we are not all Irish or travellers. Are all you still hop picking?

  30. slippy says

    Watched the “sneak” of this and was pleasantly surprised at how well it came off . I am a RAVING FAN of the British Channel 4 series ( originally watched it on BBC America then rewatched Series on Netflix and have been following subsequent ersies on Sundance -and YES it’s that good !!!!) and was afraid that it would loose it’s charm and bite with a US setting-so far it looks like the Showtime version is almost 100% word for word except for the change in setting. The best part ( again just from the ‘sneak” ) looks to be the strength of the ensemble cast. I still have my reservations that even the amazing William H Macy can come anywhere close to matching the heart and soul of the entire enterprise that David Threlfa’s Frank Gallagher brings in the original Channel 4 . Frank can be 100% sh** face wasted and selfish but still has that loveable Irish poet quality that endears him to all.And Threlfal is also able to make you understand why women all fall for him – it’s truly an amazing job of acting. Do yourself a favor check the original out on Netflix and online at Channel 4. One more note- in the British original , the police are part of the community -they live in and interact with the residents of the Chattsworth Estate ( Gov housing project) so when the bring Frank home passed out and all piss’d pants -they show a caring and understanding that just lost in the Criminal Justice System in the USA -going to be interesting to see how that pull this off.

  31. nudel says

    How annoying… Yet another invariably disappointing US remake of a HIT UK show due to America’s perceived monoculture (Queer As Folk, The Office, Kath & Kim, etc… Wasn’t Roseanne even going to do an American Ab Fab?… quelle horreur!)

    Do yourself a favour and purchase, rent or download the originals – currently 7 & 1/2 seasons of decidedly British brilliance!