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Fetus Heartbeat Undetectable as Abortion Bill Stunt Fails

Faith2Action wingnut Janet Porter called a fetus to testify before the Ohio House today in support of n anti-choice 'Heartbeat Bill'. Porter's stunt was a bust, Right Wing Watch reports.

Dayton Daily News: Porter

State lawmakers in Ohio have seen ultrasound images of two fetuses as proponents of what would be the most stringent abortion law in the nation pushed their proposal.

The bill would ban abortions after the first heartbeat can be medically detected.

Two young mothers were given ultrasounds in a packed room at the Statehouse as part of a House committee meeting Wednesday. The heartbeat of a fetus at 15 weeks gestation was easily detected. The heartbeat in a fetus of nine weeks gestation was difficult to detect.

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  1. @ratbastard aka me

    There are problems with your analysis.

    1)As religious immigrant populations come in contact with a secular culture, they quickly come to appreciate its freedoms and become less religious themselves.

    2) The islamophobic scare projections are vastly overstated.


    Posted by: candide | Mar 2, 2011 2:40:53 PM


  2. Ratbastard

    humanity has aborted fetuses since coming down out of the trees

    The Romans would leave BORN babies outside of city walls to be devoured by wolves, women in the dark ages used hemlock and other poisons to induce miscarriages generally killing the woman as well, etc etc ad infinitum

    It is impossible to outlaw abortion and at most should only be managed to make it SAFE and sanitary

    Anyway; LOL on not hearing the heartbeat of a 9 week fetus with lesser brain functions than a lab rat. Lab rats can perform complicated tasks while a 9 week fetus can not, it has the potential of being a human being with higher brain functions but it is NOT a human being

    The state should only protect fetuses that are wanted and harmed by an attack on the mother resulting in injury to the fetus and or the moment the baby can sustain itself outside of the womb then it can be considered a viable human being with full independent rights

    Posted by: [email protected] | Mar 2, 2011 2:44:28 PM


  3. @[email protected],

    No sh*t Sherlock; I'm well aware 'Humanity' has been 'Aborting' fetuses for a long, long time. 'Humanity' has been murdering each other on sometimes massive scales [Europe, WW1+2=over 100 million people killed] for a very long time also. But anyway, LOL...those death camp victims a lot of them barely had a God damn heartbeat! I mean seriously, figgin rats were more cognitive than them!

    @CANDIDE,

    I,and many, many people, disagree with your assessments.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Mar 2, 2011 2:50:54 PM


  4. your equating non breathing fetuses to living human beings in concentration camps is offensive

    There is no comparison

    so ratbastard do you support the Georgia state rep who wants to consider a miscarriage a murder? he is actually trying to get a bill passed that any woman who has a miscarriage is suspect in a murder

    Posted by: [email protected] | Mar 2, 2011 2:59:51 PM


  5. It has recently been pointed out to me that anti-abortionists have an interesting hypocrisy to deal with: the unborn fetus need the protection of the state government but, once born, the child can go without food, without parents, without school, without medical care, without a job... (because we can't be bothered to collect taxes for social services, knowing "the government can't do anything right") So, great and generous: don't kill the fetus, just let the baby/child starve.

    Posted by: Chuck Mielke | Mar 2, 2011 3:19:31 PM


  6. No [email protected], I do not support stupid proposals by stupid politicians. That GA politician sounds like a troll actually.

    Yes, I compared fetuses to concentration camp victims because I found your description of a human fetus gratuitously flippant and lacking in basic humanity.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Mar 2, 2011 3:22:20 PM


  7. @ratbastard

    And I and many, many others disagree with your islamophobic analysis and projections for Eurarabia.

    Many Muslim young people in Europe are secularizing just as rapidly and enthusiastically as their Christian counterparts. Islam will not be expanding into an ideological or religious vacuum. Eurosecularism is a powerful social force. The French burka law is a shot across the bow. The Hispanic world is increasingly embracing teh gay despite the Catholic Church's temper tantrums. And,for all immigrant populations, as their economic status becomes less precarious, their need to appeal to irrational supernatural forces for help decreases.

    Increasing economic globalization will also play a role in discouraging the mischief-making activities of the radical evangelizing Christian and Muslim sects alike. Note how China is implementing a new religious freedom, but enforces strict limitations on both Christianity and Islam, while endorsing Buddhism, which tends to be less politically meddlesome

    A worldwide move toward a less militant, less dogmatic form of spirituality is starting to evolve. The harsh tribal polarizations on which both Christianity and Islam are based, together with their implicit goals of world domination, cannot survive globalization.

    We must all do our part by confronting and decrying religious craziness when we see it instead of sitting back in a polite religiously correct silence.

    Posted by: candide | Mar 2, 2011 3:26:34 PM


  8. @CHUCK MIELKE,

    I'm not antiabortion in all cases, I find it morally offensive to be used as a form of birth control, and I object to crude descriptions of a human fetus.

    As for children going without food, shelter, etc., I don't know what planet or country you live in, but actually in America there's a huge amount of social welfare services available for children, in fact most social services are aimed at children and woman with children. About 58% of the U.S. federal budget goes towards social services and many states are themselves very generous. I suppose mom and dad have no responsibility for the human life they created BTW? Children, unless they're abandoned, don't exist in a vacuum.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Mar 2, 2011 3:38:41 PM


  9. @CANDIDE,

    Do me a favor and stuff your PC, pie in the sky fantasy. MOST people, in Europe, the UK, North America, DO NOT agree with you.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Mar 2, 2011 3:41:27 PM


  10. So the fetus "took the 5th"?

    I'm surprised it wasn't held in contempt.

    Posted by: Anastasia Beaverhausen | Mar 2, 2011 3:45:03 PM


  11. @ratbastard

    And you can stuff your alarmist Islamophobic, Christianist rhetoric. You're simply parroting the religious right's crusades-redux talking points which they hope will frighten people in the West back into the arms of Jeebus. I live in Paris half the year and have considerable first-hand experience of what's actually going on over there.

    (I do like your screen name though and can relate.)

    Posted by: candide | Mar 2, 2011 3:55:57 PM


  12. Abortion is a huge deal, and should not be taken lightly. Just because I don't think PP has roots in eugenics does not mean I think abortion should be treated with nonchalance.

    The concept of the world becoming more or less secular should not have ANY impact on the value of human life, and this is a very ethical issue, regardless of religious ideas. I'm not a 'crazy' religious person.

    The people who are calling for an end to religious people sound just as fanatical as the religious people who are calling for intolerance in atheists. It is ABSOLUTELY absurd that people who are clearly 'christianaphobic' are constantly throwing around the buzz-word of 'islamaphobia.'

    And there should be NO PLACE for an 'LOL on not hearing the heartbeat of a 9 week fetus,' in this world.

    While I think the right to an abortion should exist, I do not think its a laughing matter. To laugh at the idea of ANY life, whether it is a lab rat or a fetus of any kind, being exterminated for reasons of irresponsibility or inconvenience is disgusting. I'm very much a believer in 'pro-choice' politics, but I am NOT a believer simply to enflate my own ego and brag about how liberal I am.

    Posted by: BC | Mar 2, 2011 3:56:14 PM


  13. @CANDIDE,

    I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN; I'm Agnostic.

    Give your script a rest. Try something original.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Mar 2, 2011 4:03:04 PM


  14. One night to be confused
    One night to speed up truth
    We had a promise made
    Four hands and then away

    Posted by: Oz | Mar 2, 2011 4:03:55 PM


  15. @ratbastard

    You need to work on your reading comprehension. I never said you were a Jeebusite, merely using the same talking points, which you were. But how is it that on abortion and Islam you seem to have such Jeebusite-like ideas?

    Posted by: candide | Mar 2, 2011 4:13:05 PM


  16. Candide,

    How is calling christians 'jeebusite' different from calling muslims 'towelhead?'

    Posted by: BC | Mar 2, 2011 4:15:20 PM


  17. Does the world *really* need more children?

    Posted by: homoDM | Mar 2, 2011 4:25:39 PM


  18. you know, it is mostly men who use "abortion as a form of birth control" baldardash

    cite examples please

    The majority of sane women (who abortion affects not the man)do not use abortion as a form of birth control

    Posted by: [email protected] | Mar 2, 2011 4:36:17 PM


  19. @BC

    The correct term is "momoite", not "towelhead". (Momo for mohammed.)

    For attributes that are not biologically determined, I have no problem using insulting terms. I refuse to be religiously correct. Organized religions, especially the imperialistic Abrahamic ones, are the great Satan.

    Posted by: candide | Mar 2, 2011 4:36:49 PM


  20. Does the world *really* need more children?

    Posted by: homoDM | Mar 2, 2011 4:25:39 PM

    ======================

    Do you know what the major reason given is for the U.S. and Europe requiring massive 3rd world immigration? We [Americans and Europeans] don't bread enough to sustain our economies and welfare system. So yeah, we do apparently need more children.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Mar 2, 2011 4:39:43 PM


  21. It takes two to tangle, [email protected] Virgin births [minus in vitro which I suppose it's possible for a 'Virgin' birth] are fantasy. So males are very much involved in pregnancies, and mostly [overwhelmingly] through the choice of the female.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Mar 2, 2011 4:43:49 PM


  22. CORRECTION:

    Takes two to TANGO .... and that should read 'BREED' not bread.

    Posted by: ratbastard | Mar 2, 2011 4:47:43 PM


  23. "For attributes that are not biologically determined, I have no problem using insulting terms. I refuse to be religiously correct. Organized religions, especially the imperialistic Abrahamic ones, are the great Satan."

    Statements like that are eerily similar to ones justifying hate against gay people. Statements like the ones you make are extremely ignorant and do not help to make any advances in the struggles humanity face today. Blind disregard of other people based on their lifestyles or belief-systems is disgusting. You are a hypocrite and a bigot.

    There are many kinds of foul people in this world, and there are certainly people in the gay community who fall into that category.

    Posted by: BC | Mar 2, 2011 5:01:23 PM


  24. @BC Umm...sexual orientation is biologically determined, religious affiliation most certainly is not. Big difference. I don't start to cry if a conservative on HP calls me a libfucktard. And calling them a conservatard does not threaten civilized life. Believing there is an invisible sky god that tells you to hate teh gay or that teh gay is intrinsically inferior is, however, a serious problem for everyone. Organized religions' hideous history of abusing just about everybody on the basis of totally made up BS deserves the harshest contempt. Religious moderates and liberals merely serve to enable the activist extremists.

    Posted by: candide | Mar 2, 2011 5:24:04 PM


  25. It's a woman's body and she has the right to choose. Seriously, what else is there to debate?

    Posted by: Edd | Mar 2, 2011 5:26:35 PM


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