1. frank says

    “reports on the reaction of the gay community of that state”: so now we have all become spokespersons for the transexual community? Sorry, I have no interest in those issues, and it is getting to the point where valuable resources and time are being spent to fight for the rights of people who consider themselves heterosexuals at the detrimate of same sex causes.

  2. Brian in Texas says

    100% of that money should be held in a trust for the late firefighter’s children to pay for college, etc. Nikki is being selfish and not honoring her husband.

  3. says

    Frank, you don’t have to become a “spokesperson for the transexual community,” but do you honestly think the same people who want to invalidate a transgender woman’s marriage wouldn’t also want to invalidate yours, if you were married?

    Transphobia and homophobia come from the same place in the minds of bigots. Marriage should include any 2 consenting adults, regardless of gender, biological or otherwise. Marriage equality should include us, and it should include trans people. No rational reason to believe otherwise.

    How can anyone expect straight people to step out of their own shoes to empathize with our civil rights if we’re unwilling to do the same for trans people, never mind that the discrimination L G & T face in marriage is quite obviously related.

  4. J. Alan says

    @Frank: When one person does not have equality, none of us have it. If I were to say my equality is more important than my neighbors, I would become just like the ones who fight against my equality as a gay American. The “us, but not them” is a flawed argument to have, especially when all of us are truly the same.

  5. bluedogJ says

    …”Then they came for me
    and there was no one left to speak out for me”…

    For more than 20 years it’s been the LGBT community for a reason. Civil rights are for everyone – not just you, Frank.

    Nikki and members of the transgendered community deserve to be treated equally and as human beings. It’s our obligation to stand with them if we want to be taken seriously. Are they different than we are? We’re all gloriously different. And therein lies the beauty of it.

  6. John M says

    So basically a gay man could legally marry a legally transitioned female to male transexual because he was born a woman? Even though legally and by outwards appearances they are the feared married gay couple.

  7. says

    This is why marriage equality will ultimately prevail.

    Gender reassignment is becoming increasingly more commonplace. Those born with XX XY chromosome ambiguities are also on the rise. The notions of “male” & “female” are becoming more complicated.

    Governments are ill equipped to sort out issues that science is only starting to understand. Sooner or later, legal marriage will be the union of two people…period.

  8. Frederick says

    My question is if Nikki Araguz was “legally” married to her late husband at the time of their marrriage, how can the Texas courts come back at a later date and invalidate their marriage? From a legal perspective, I would think that any marriages that were performed before Texas changed their laws regarding gender categorization would be grandfathered into law as still being “legal”. Can someone explain to me why this wasn’t the case in this particular situation.

  9. alex dilucca says

    Frank: STFU. Imagine if in the Civil Rights Movement all the Jewish activists who were so instrumental in helping Southern organizers just said “Oh this isn’t our issue, we’re not Black.” Obviously, they saw that bigotry is bigotry is bigotry. And what’s more, a gay basher is a trans basher. They don’t see the differences between us, but as a result, all our struggles against that kind of stupidity are the same struggle. So get your head out of your ass. On a positive note, thanks for being stupid enough to post such an idiotic remark, as it reminds us that we all have more self-education needed in this arena.

  10. says

    Who should get the money (kids by ex-wife vs. wife when he died) is a separate question from whether the marriage was valid or not. (The money comes down to the intricacies of this particular case and is meaningful only to the family members themselves.) The larger issue is whether any two adults, regardless of sex or gender, should be able to marry. No rational marriage laws would validate this couple’s marriage and not a gay couple’s marriage, and vice versa. Either all couples, regardless of sex or gender, are equal or they aren’t. And if they aren’t, it’s discrimination.

  11. Sonneillon says

    To all of you who are repeating this “marriage will eventually be any two people” line, this is your friendly reminder that polyamorous people exist and deserve to have the same rights and protections in their lifetime relationships.

  12. says

    @SONNEILLON: People are currently free to be polyamorous, aren’t they? Polygamy, on the other hand, is not legal, but that applies equally to straight, gay, bi and trans people. No one is allowed to marry more than one person, so there is no discrimination based on sex or gender, as there currently is with marriage. The arguments for or against the marriage/union of 3 or more people are distincutly different from the arguments for excluding certain couples from 2-person marriage. Polygamy raises unique and complicated family law questions that would need to be uniquely argued before courts and legislatures.

  13. John K. says

    Frank, as a gay man myself, you make me sick. In fact, you make me sicker than the straight bigots do. How dare you! It’s one thing to not be able to get married. It’s quite another to think you are married and have it invalidated after the fact. Neither is right, but this woman’s situation is horrifying.

  14. Disgusted Gay American says

    Ive never pretended to Understand Transsexuals..and why they are the way they are……..they just are, Live and let live I say…and we should all stick together as a community.

  15. Disgusted Gay American says

    if there is money involved – esp. if he had children….then splitting it would be good. ..basically sounds like Hateful Texas is at the helm at usual. If she’s a women physically – she’s a woman.

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