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NY Archbishop Dolan Warns of Communist Threat from Same-Sex Marriage, Says It Redefines 'Natural Law'

New York Archbishop Timothy Dolan is panicked that New York lawmakers might allow the state's citizens freedoms they have the right to enjoy.

Dolan Writes Dolan, in a blog post:

Last time I consulted an atlas, it is clear we are living in New York, in the United States of America – not in China or North Korea.  In those countries, government presumes daily to “redefine” rights, relationships, values, and natural law.  There, communiqués from the government can dictate the size of families, who lives and who dies, and what the very definition of “family” and “marriage” means.

But, please, not here!  Our country’s founding principles speak of rights given by God, not invented by government, and certain noble values – life, home, family, marriage, children, faith – that are protected, not re-defined, by a state presuming omnipotence.

Please, not here!  We cherish true freedom, not as the license to do whatever we want, but the liberty to do what we ought; we acknowledge that not every desire, urge, want, or chic cause is automatically a “right.”  And, what about other rights, like that of a child to be raised in a family with a mom and a dad?

Our beliefs should not be viewed as discrimination against homosexual people.  The Church affirms the basic human rights of gay men and women, and the state has rightly changed many laws to offer these men and women hospital visitation rights, bereavement leave, death benefits, insurance benefits, and the like.  This is not about denying rights. It is about upholding a truth about the human condition.  Marriage is not simply a mechanism for delivering benefits:  It is the union of a man and a woman in a loving, permanent, life-giving union to pro-create children.  Please don’t vote to change that.  If you do, you are claiming the power to change what is not into what is, simply because you say so.  This is false, it is wrong, and it defies logic and common sense.

The WSJ writes: "Four lawmakers who voted against gay marriage two years ago, including one Republican, declared on Monday that they would now vote in favor of allowing gays to wed. That means the odds are long for the Roman Catholic Church in its bid to prevent gay marriage from becoming legal in New York. The next few days will be an interesting test of Dolan’s influence. It probably doesn’t help that the archbishop is 3,000 miles away, leading a bishop conference in Seattle."

Catholic Online praises Dolan for "pushing back The Darkess in New York":

Archbishop Timothy Dolan is a heroic servant of the Church and pastor of the faithful of New York. When he was elected to the office of President of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops I called it a sign of the Lord's continued guidance of the Church in the United States. I wrote "Truly, God has not forgotten His people in the Church in the United States" 

I also said then - and repeat it now - the United States of America has become mission territory. The Catholic Church in the United States is in need of the "New Evangelization." Archbishop Timothy Dolan is a wonderful instrument of this New Evangelization, a trumpet in the hands of the Lord.

The Catholic Church and the message of authentic freedom and true humanism which she proclaims is the only hope for this age being ravaged by a hungry darkness. With characteristic courage, Archbishop Dolan is defending  Marriage and the family and society founded upon it.

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  1. I just found his post illogical: We cherish true freedom. Oh really? Whose? etc.

    Posted by: Matt26 | Jun 15, 2011 10:56:20 AM


  2. Time to amend the First Amendment.

    Posted by: Attmay | Jun 15, 2011 10:58:23 AM


  3. From Michael Berg:

    "The Greatest Sin of All.

    There are few things worse than people using religion and the Bible as an excuse to denounce, curse or hurt another person. Speaking and acting in this way shows a complete misunderstanding of the purpose of religion, God and the Bible.

    Kabbalah teaches that the purpose of religion as we know it is to enable an individual’s transformation from selfishness & ego to a new nature of sharing & compassion. That’s it. The Bible and all its teachings are only a means to assist this transformation.

    It’s not a coincidence that one of the most famous teachings of Kabbalah come from a student asking his teacher, 'Teach me the essence of the Bible, while standing on one foot,' and the teacher answering, 'love your neighbor as yourself. Everything else is commentary.'

    If in a person’s religious practice, study of the Bible or belief in God, he acts in ways that are not in accordance with this spirit, then he is contradicting its entire purpose. That’s why it’s especially disturbing to hear any so-called religious leaders using the Bible as a tool to hurt others.

    There are many verses in the Bible, that when read literally, can be misunderstood and misdirected. The kabbalistic understanding is that scripture is meant to be deciphered and interpreted, and anyone practicing spirituality based on a literal understanding of it is, according to the Zohar, 'a fool.'

    Every person has a unique connection to the Creator that can never be extinguished, and every person has a great soul that can manifest important things in our world. To make a person feel less than they are because of something inside themselves, be it faith, race, or sexual orientation, is the greatest sin of all."

    Posted by: The Zohar | Jun 15, 2011 11:02:13 AM


  4. God called me last night nd told me he has changed mind and that same sex marriage is fine as far as he is concerned, so Tim Dolan can rest easy now can't he ?

    Posted by: jerry | Jun 15, 2011 11:17:28 AM


  5. The Catholic term "natural law" is loaded as hell. It's their reinterpretation of nature to conform to church dogma. However, all that aside, marriage in America is a civil contract bestowing certain benefits. The religious ceremony is merely secondary to the civil contract. That's why two atheists can marry just as legally as two Catholics. The religious keep thinking there is value in waging this semantic battle, but, fortunately, most people do not.

    Posted by: romeo | Jun 15, 2011 11:28:17 AM


  6. What is really communist is if the GOP-led state senate does not allow it to come to an up or down vote because they are afraid it will pass. Democracy in America means that of the majority of the people or a legislative body wants to vote yes on something they should be able to do so. It does NOT mean that a majority of the GOP needs to agree too.

    Posted by: JSaw | Jun 15, 2011 11:39:38 AM


  7. If you post on his site that you're a 12 year old boy looking for an older daddy type, he'll respond immediately.

    Posted by: Wayne | Jun 15, 2011 11:42:48 AM


  8. the church would rather attack gays than take action against their own problems. what would you expect from an organization that would rather watch children go hungry, homeless on the streets than recognize a loving couple right to marry? the church has become useless and self promoting. time to tax them and help do the job they are supposed to.

    Posted by: walter | Jun 15, 2011 12:23:42 PM


  9. Joe McCarthy reincarnated...

    Dolan writes: "Our country’s founding principles speak of rights given by God, not invented by government, and certain noble values – life, home, family, marriage, children, faith – that are protected, not re-defined, by a state presuming omnipotence."

    but the Preamble to the Constitution says, "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

    is there something i'm missing here? it's clear that "the People" created this not his invisible faerie in the sky...

    Posted by: mike/ | Jun 15, 2011 12:45:05 PM


  10. They are all scam artists and liars, every last one of them.

    Posted by: MacroT | Jun 15, 2011 12:50:39 PM


  11. Doesn't celibacy redefine "natural law" as well?

    Posted by: yunin | Jun 15, 2011 1:23:36 PM


  12. Wow - Timothy is a liar. Gays DO NOT have the same rights when it come hospital visitations, etc. Also - marriage IS NOT about procreation. That's what ejaculating into a vagina is for....

    Posted by: Tre | Jun 15, 2011 1:50:23 PM


  13. I think the Archbishop's got it all wrong. Ya see, Archie, it's like this. It's NATURAL for humans to relate to one another sexually whether as an expression of love or just plain old carnal lust.

    See, the way you live, Archie. Now, THAT's NOT "natural". Hence, you and the rest of your Church have committed some of the most egregious human rights abuses in history and YOU, Archie, turned a blind eye. You KNEW what was going on, Arch, and you did NOTHING.

    "Natural Law" is the philosophy that you and Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia and John Roberts and Sam Alito use to justify your poisonous bigotry. It's bogus because Nature's "laws" cannot be defined. "Natural law" is not concrete. It cannot be legislated. It cannot be decided on by judicial fiat.

    If one can say anything about "Natural Law", Archie, is that it can be broken. Check it out. Nature does it every day.

    So, your, um, Eminem. STFU.

    Posted by: jamal49 | Jun 15, 2011 1:54:28 PM


  14. Isn't it time for the American people to forcefully, actively take this man and his church to task for their injustice and their attempts to shape legislation in a state in which they pay no tax.

    Posted by: Richard | Jun 15, 2011 2:05:42 PM


  15. I raise a single question for him, then.

    He says marriage is about a couple joining to love each other AND procreate.

    So what about the straight couples that are sterile?

    Posted by: Yuki | Jun 15, 2011 2:40:35 PM


  16. The Catholic church should stop raping children and should stop talking.

    Posted by: Patrick O’Malley | Jun 15, 2011 2:46:36 PM


  17. True freedom means doing what he says?

    Posted by: Hyhybt | Jun 15, 2011 4:27:55 PM


  18. And celibacy is ... the perfection of natural law?

    Posted by: Robert | Jun 15, 2011 6:33:35 PM


  19. A special class on "Natural Law" for school-age kids starts under my robe in one hour.

    Posted by: Mintylaramie | Jun 15, 2011 7:41:11 PM


  20. God is bigger than the short-sighted leadership of the Catholic Church...in the mean time , Dolan's words are the worst PR for any church...he'll either be remembered for his closed mind or get caught with a choir boy some day.

    Posted by: Jacob Spence | Jun 15, 2011 8:39:11 PM


  21. "The Catholic Church and the message of authentic freedom and true humanism which she proclaims is the only hope for this age being ravaged by a hungry darkness"

    Awesome, your grace! Seems you've finally found a use for that pesky liberation theology! Can we liberate the church from the pedos now, like we're doing in the parish families with their LGBT brothers and sisters? Jesus really DOESN'T want me for a sunbeam, after all. And to think I thought that was a smart ass Catholic school playground song all this time!

    Posted by: SeriouslySick | Jun 15, 2011 11:18:26 PM


  22. YUP...Christian Churches supported laws banning mixed race marriage, claiming it was "un-natural" and defied God's will and re-defined marriage. Guess bigots need stuff crammed down their throats!

    Posted by: wayne | Jun 17, 2011 12:18:36 PM


  23. http://jurist.org/paperchase/2011/01/milwaukee-archdiocese-files-for-bankruptcy.php

    Dolan came from Milwaukee. His former Diosceses was filled with hidden molestation.

    And from the Philadelphia grand Jury report - read the following link...........
    http://www.philadelphiadistrictattorney.com/images/Grand_Jury_Report.pdf

    this is link to Philadelphia grand jury report on catholic church abuse

    it is utterly horrible what happened to the kids, and how the church molested them, hid the molestaion, hid the guilty priests, and the kids suffered and suffered. Some even ended up in mental wards.

    Dolan and much of the heirarchy are murderers of childrens minds.

    while they prattle about protecting life - their smokescreen to hide their crimes.

    Posted by: Billy Wingo | Jun 24, 2011 1:10:36 AM


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