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Confronted by 'Gay-Friendly Iowan', Michele and Marcus Bachmann Call Kinsey Report a 'Myth': VIDEO

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A voter in Clarion, Iowa yesterday asked Michele Bachmann to autograph her "gay-friendly Iowan" sign and then asked the candidate about her views on gay people, CNN reports:

"I wonder if you're aware that 10% of the population is gay. And if you have 28 children, then 2.8 of those kids are very likely gay."

The congresswoman, within definite earshot as she hovered over Schnell, at first seemed to avoid the question, trying to say "hello" to someone new. Schnell turned to her friend and said, "She's not listening to me." Bachmann must have heard that because she then turned back.

"Well, that's according to the Kinsey Report," the candidate replied.

Dr. Alfred Kinsey is best known for conducting interviews with thousands of individuals and publishing his findings in books on human sexual behavior during the 1940s and '50s. Bachmann's husband, who runs a clinic in their district in Minnesota that has long been accused of conducting "reparative therapy" by trying to help gay individuals become straight, then chimed in.

"Your facts are wrong," he said.

"That's not valid?" Schnell asked back.

"No it isn't," Michele Bachmann said. Her husband added, "No, it's not at all. It's been a myth for many years."

Watch VIDEO of the exchange, AFTER THE JUMP...

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  1. You know what's a real myth, Michele and Marcus, it's the myth that Michele and Marcus Bachmann know what in the hell they're talking about - from the "myth" of the Kinsey report to the "myth" of reparative therapy. In fact, it's shameful that the two of you are permitted to harm so many people with your unintelligent pronouncements. It's not only shameful, it's disgusting. The sooner you're both off the national stage, the better it'll be. And good riddance.

    Posted by: HadenoughBS | Dec 19, 2011 8:40:25 AM


  2. This woman is dangerous!!!

    Posted by: Matthew | Dec 19, 2011 8:55:58 AM


  3. The Kinsey report is a myth? Sorta like that myth about that guy that came back from the dead?

    Posted by: oliver | Dec 19, 2011 9:03:52 AM


  4. No, no, no.

    He said HE'S been a Miss for many years.

    I heard it clearly.

    Posted by: Daniel | Dec 19, 2011 9:11:26 AM


  5. So, does rudeness somehow make her more appealing to her supporters?

    Posted by: Dastius Krazitauc | Dec 19, 2011 9:16:50 AM


  6. Marquesa and Michelle are a FABULOUS couple-que no?

    Posted by: Nick | Dec 19, 2011 9:22:46 AM


  7. Here's a case where the Crazy Eyes and her SigOther are kinda correct. There've been subsequent studies that challenge the 10% figure. That doesn't make it a "myth", just an estimate based on biased data. Given 28 kids, the assertion/assumption that 2.8 will be gay is unlikely to be true--but at least one, maybe 2. I still think the couple are nuts.

    Posted by: gregory brown | Dec 19, 2011 9:38:22 AM


  8. @Gregory Brown, So based on your conclusion that "maybe 2" will be gay then you are still looking at about 8%....which is a lot closer to 10% than it is to 5%.

    Posted by: oliver | Dec 19, 2011 9:48:46 AM


  9. Yep, the Kinsey Report is a myth -- just like Global Warming. Welcome to the Republican Alternate Universe.

    Posted by: David Ehrenstein | Dec 19, 2011 9:54:00 AM


  10. A myth is a virgin birth and rising from the dead. That being said, no where near 10% of the population is gay. Let's not fight lies with more lies.

    Posted by: ron | Dec 19, 2011 9:54:48 AM


  11. To paraphrase Mark Twain, never argue with idiots like the Bachmanns. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.

    Posted by: kernel85 | Dec 19, 2011 10:15:22 AM


  12. actually, all the numbers are conjecture. guesses, estimates, projections based on incomplete data. Scientific data has been produced, however, that supports the idea that homophobia is associated with homosexual desire.

    Posted by: Danny | Dec 19, 2011 10:21:32 AM


  13. It is my opinion that the homosexual population would really be much higher than 10%, if everyone who is homosexual actually acknowledged their sexuality. I know a lot of people in straight relationships who are not straight! So, whereas, the percentage of self-identifying homosexuals might be 2% to 10%, I personally believe that the actual number is much higher.

    Posted by: Jason | Dec 19, 2011 10:31:30 AM


  14. @Gregory Brown
    Given the clear evidence that there is some kind of link between the number of older brothers a man has and his likelihood of being gay, I'm guessing that a family of 28 would have MORE than 2.8 gay kids, even if the gender numbers are balanced.

    Not to mention an exhausted mother and a batshit crazy dad.

    Posted by: Lymis | Dec 19, 2011 10:37:14 AM


  15. The percentage of the population that is gay is impossible to determine, since any such survey on the topic is only going to reflect those members of society who are "out and proud" and willing to admit it. Those deeply closeted people, those in denial, are not going to answer truthfully.

    I honestly wouldn't be surprised to know that up to ten percent of the population is gay. (I'm defining the term "gay" as "being physically and romantically attracted to one's own gender"---this has no relation to which gender a person actually sleeps with, or whether they are active sexually.)

    At any rate---though the results of various studies vary (regarding the percentage of the population that is gay), I think it can be said with some conviction that the number must be between five and ten percent. Even the lower figure is substantially higher than the one or two percent figure usually quoted by the anti-gay Christian right.

    Posted by: octobercountry | Dec 19, 2011 10:45:15 AM


  16. @ LYMIS:
    i've heard the older brother stuff too. but the bachman vag didn't actually birth 28 kids. she had 5 of her own (incl. two boys), and then took in about two dozen in a foster care setting (apparently, up to 3 foster children at a time). from what i recall, all of their foster kids are/were female. i admit, it would be absolutely hilarious to think that an alleged closet case like marcus could get it up 28 times to fill up her clown car, but i highly doubt they've got it on that many times.

    i wouldn't be totally surprised if one or some of their foster kids was from a broken homophobic household. and its pretty sad if that were the case, for the child's or children's sake. but we don't actually know that, and its wild speculation.

    Posted by: billy | Dec 19, 2011 11:08:14 AM


  17. Kinsey's numbers were measuring NOT the number of gay people per se in society, but the proportion in his sample whose sexual experiences had been primarily to exclusively with same-sex partner(s) for a period of three years.
    That is NOT in any way the normal definition of "homosexual" or "gay" used in the social sciences; it's just a particular degree of same-sex interaction he was measuring in that particular study. It is certainly not what I or anybody I know means whenI use the word "gay.". I've ALWAYS been gay, and using his criteria I, for example, did not qualify as gay for most of my life.
    There is no study that has ever determined how many gay people there are. We can only ever talk in minimums (There are "more than" or "at least" X number of gay members of the average family, etc.) because discrimination keeps many or most gay people hiding in the closet even today.
    The number might be less than 10% and it might be a lot higher than 10%, but when someone on our side uses a definitive number like this (that has never been measured scientifically) it's easy for those against us to dismiss us.

    Posted by: Gregv | Dec 19, 2011 11:10:05 AM


  18. The Kinsey report does not address how many gay people there are in a given population. It ONLY addresses behavior. In the sampling 10% of the men in the sample were "more or less exclusively homosexual for at least three years between the ages of 16 and 55". That would include, for example, people who were in prison for 3 years and people who as adolescents found someone to suck them off. Those people might not identify as gay.

    Both I and my partner of 20+ years probably had sex only with women for a period of three years in our youth. Does that mean we're straight?

    "Gay" is an identity, not a behavior. You can be gay and have sex only with women. Kinsey measured behavior.

    Posted by: KevinVT | Dec 19, 2011 11:16:47 AM


  19. Listen to GREGV. He speaks the truth (as much as we can know it, at least). Estimates from a text from a human sexuality course, I seem to recall (don't make me go upstairs to the office; the fireplace is too nice), were closer to 3%. But it is indeed a slippery statistic.

    Posted by: TJ | Dec 19, 2011 11:49:45 AM


  20. Well, in that Univ. of GA. study where they showed gay porn to self-described straight men (and divided them into homophobic/non-homophobic by a standard psychological test), and attached devices to record blood flow showing arousal rates, 20% -- 20% -- were aroused by the gay porn. 70% of the homophobes were. When the researchers asked the homophobes if they were aroused, they said no - despite having the evidence right in front of them!

    Posted by: Craig | Dec 19, 2011 12:58:52 PM


  21. And don't forget, that Kinsey said that he found 13% of men and 7% of women same-sex attracted. The 10% number is a blend of the two numbers.

    Posted by: Craig | Dec 19, 2011 1:00:29 PM


  22. Okay, I pulled myself away from the fire. The study quoted in the 2005 text (Laumann, Gagnon, Michael, & Michaels, 1994) put the figures at 2.8% for men and 1.4% for women for those respondents who self-identified as homosexual. Having sex with a same-sex partner after age 18 - 5% and 4%, respectively; feelings of same-sex attraction, 6% and 5.5%. As the text suggests, HOW you ask the question affects the numbers. And as other wise posters have noted, willingness to honestly respond varies due to many factors.

    The most useful and relevant part of Kinsey's research, in my opinion, was the scale. Although he posited discrete categories, the scale is most useful as a continuum, because one's sexuality might vary over the course of a lifetime. At age 18, I would have rated at 1(predominantly heterosexual, only incidentally homosexual). Since 30, I'd rate at 6 (exclusively homosexual). An overall lifetime rating would put me at 5 (predominantly homosexual but incidentally heterosexual).

    Posted by: TJ | Dec 19, 2011 1:03:17 PM


  23. Well, the stopped clock had its moment. Kinsey's research was flawed and not peer reviewed. Instead, it was published in book form to the general public (twice). Subsequent research hasn't had the same word-of-mouth appeal. The irony here is their use of the term "myth" to refer to something incorrect, as they are religious fanatics.

    Posted by: anon | Dec 19, 2011 1:54:47 PM


  24. PS - Also, how I would have answered any questions about my sexuality would have varied as well. At 18, I would have denied same-sex attraction had anyone asked. At 22, I'd have been all about the boys. At 27, maybe I'm bi? At 30, I knew that I was capable of many attractions and many things, but I knew what side my bread was buttered on, so to speak.

    Posted by: TJ | Dec 19, 2011 2:00:58 PM


  25. I won't dispute anybody's various numbers. Kinsey's samples were skewed. The likelihood of under-reporting in other studies due to unwillingness to admit to being same-sex active (as distinct fro same-sex attracted or reactive) is great. Actual numbers are impossible to find and may be irrelevant. So long as SOME of the population are same-sex identified, there's no justification for discrimination against us. Dismissing numbers as "myth" is idiotic.

    I suspect that the circumstances of some of the adopted kids prior to being fostered or otherwise taken from the original home environments might increase the possibility of being other than Bachman-approved heteros. Eight percent in this group sounds good to me.

    Posted by: gregory brown | Dec 19, 2011 2:08:42 PM


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