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NC Baptist Leader Hopes That Marriage Will Be Kept Away from Gay 'Sinners' in a 'Civil' Manner

Rev. Mark Harris, leader of North Carolina's Baptist Church, says he wants a "civil" debate on marriage, the Charlotte Observer reports:

Harris"Over the next several months, I am going to stress that this is an opportunity for the church to celebrate marriage and its biblical foundation - rather than talking about something we're against," he said.

"From a biblical position, all I can do is state my position: I believe that homosexuality is a sin ... That said, I don't believe that that position is at the heart of this amendment. If homosexuals choose to maintain a relationship and live together, that's their business. I don't believe people should be discriminated against."

Same-sex marriages, he said, aren't good for children. "I just believe that marriage between a man and a woman is ideal," he said. "It is such a unique union, and it is absolutely essential to the future of humanity."

Harris was elected to lead the North Carolina chapter in November.

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  1. The Baptist and other anti-gay religions have no problems if the (heterosexual) sinner getting married is a convicted felon who violates one of their Ten Commandments (Thou Shall Not Steal), but not those gay sinners who are in breach of one of the laws of Leviticus (like eating shellfish).
    It is simple bigotry and their religious "beliefs" have NO business being put into constitutions or civil laws in the United States.

    Posted by: TruthSeeker_Two | Dec 28, 2011 7:57:48 AM

  2. F NO, I have No doubt that Hate and Bigotry WILL WIn the day there, and NC will be another state to avoid in america.

    Posted by: Gay American | Dec 28, 2011 8:01:20 AM

  3. I don't think you guys are getting the thrust of this article. yes, he's a baptist leader, and baptists are anti gay, but that's hardly news. so no need to bring out the usual arguments against religious bigots. What this guy is really saying is, yes, I'm a baptist and I carry a lot of baggage as a result, chiefly that homosexuality is a sin. But he stresses several times that his views on homosexuality aren't central to the gay marriage debate, that there's no reason to discriminate against gays. Isn't that really our central argument, that religious people should keep their opinions to themselves and let us live our lives? Well, I think he's come much closer to that position that anyone here is giving him credit for. He also says that during the debate he's not going to go negative about gay marriage, but instead use the opportunity to stress the importance of marriage generally. Again, about the most helpful position he could take in this instance. We always harp on the soaring divorce rate, the kardashian quickie marriages etc. Well, if we can get people like him focused much more on that and much less on us, I think that's a major victory.

    The single most problematic sentence in the article is where it says that the pastor doesn't think same sex marriage is good for children. Except he doesn't actually say that in the quotes provided, he just says procreation is key to the survival of humanity, which is just a biological fact. So I'm not sure if that's the reporter's spin or something else. And as is frequently noted the whole issue of children is a red herring in the marriage debate anyway, since gay couples raise children with and without marriage certificates.

    The guy is far from an ally of ours, but in the context of the baptist church this guy seems like he's about to dance on a gay pride float.

    Posted by: Brian | Dec 28, 2011 8:15:16 AM

  4. Marriage isn't key to procreation, societies have procreated long before the Abrahamic cults came along and and manipulated it to their own ends. Even if marriage were banned, it wouldn't stop people having children.

    This idiot when he plays the procreation card has more to do with the ick factor, knowing that men don't have vaginas to accommodate a penis, but....what would he say about infertile heteros who can't reproduce but want to through other means, the way in which many gay couples now have children such as invitro fertilization or surrogacy?

    Posted by: Robert in NYC | Dec 28, 2011 9:34:38 AM

  5. It is very interesting and paradoxical that so many churches are at the heart of so much bigotry and yes...hatred here in this country. America...I ask you to stand up and reject these institutions which profess to be for human rights, respect and dignity for all. Stop giving your hard earned money to support hypocrisy.

    Posted by: Frank | Dec 28, 2011 10:07:30 AM

  6. Mr. Harris,

    My marriage to my husband has nothing to do with children nor do I want it to be so STFU. Stop shoving your "lifestyle" in our faces and preaching to us that you deserve respect when your form of respecting others is telling them that they are sinners all the time. Enough with the BS.

    Posted by: J. Page | Dec 28, 2011 12:37:01 PM

  7. Heterosexual marriage is unique says this man that is opposed (against) homosexual marriages... who is he to determine what is unique or not?

    Is love between between two human beings not unique when it involves two men or two women?

    The only reason marriages exist is because of decisions made and done by men who thought that reproduction was the most important thing ever, and to dissolve fights about ownerships of property, nothing less or more about marriages!

    Homosexual marriages are bad for children says this man who is part of an institution that is connected to and with organizations that are known for murdering, torturing, abusing children....
    Who is he to determine what is good or wrong for children?
    Who is he to tell people what they must do when it concerns children?


    Posted by: Master Adrian | Dec 28, 2011 9:04:23 PM

  8. Prior to the Biblical basis for "Marriage between one man and one woman" was invented, men and woman lived in communal groups with children being born as a result of "What comes natural to ALL of "God's" creatures". Then, some tribal leaders decided that things would be better for the Men if laws were created to "Legally bind a woman to a man in lifetime servitude."

    As a result of these laws, the fathers of women competed with available men to barter off their female children with "Doweries" (sp?)so that the fathers could get out from under supporting daughters. After all, only the male children worked to support the family.

    Also, the local Rabbi needed lots of families producing lots of children to be brought up in the "Faith" to contribute money to the Rabbi so he did not have to go out and make a living by working.

    Since Homosexuals, in those days, did not produce children to be brought up to support the Rabbis, their relationships had to be made illegal; Better yet, just kill them so they do not "Infect" others into being Homosexual.

    Hence, the Biblical "Death to Homosexuals" came into being.

    Posted by: Jerry6 | Dec 31, 2011 11:54:52 AM

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