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Thomas Roberts Asks NOM's Brian Brown if He is 'Exhausted' by Constantly Opposing Equality: VIDEO


MSNBC's Thomas Roberts got fed up with NOM's Brian Brown at the end of his diatribe against same-sex marriage in New Hampshire.

Asked Roberts: "Is it sometimes just exhausting for you, and what the National Organization for Marriage does, to try to stand against the tide of equality? Is it exhausting?"

After Brown answers, Roberts recommends he go watch the movie Bully.

Check it out, AFTER THE JUMP...

(via think progress lgbt)

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  1. LittleKiwi, You are totally creepy.

    Posted by: Fenrox | Mar 21, 2012 3:34:42 PM

  2. "Bravo Roberts"? The guy gets in the dig "I saw the movie 'Bully' last night, I recommend you watch it' after his guest has any opportunity to respond, and he gets a 'bravo'? Yeesh.

    Posted by: steve donoghue | Mar 21, 2012 3:39:54 PM

  3. Why so often the conflation of a concept of a "liberal" (or a conservative for that matter) with a particular point of view? It contributes to the steady degradation of a conversation of issues based on a cogent airing of the merits of one point of view versus another.

    I disagree with Mary's criticism of Robert's journalistic objectivity. In the battle over access to marriage, the mantra of NOM and its proponents has been the evocation of the idea that opposite-sex marriage will be degraded by the inclusion of same-sex marriage if codified by law. In addition to being fatuous and intellectually primitive; as a foundational argument, and really the only argument against; it was exposed as an embarrassing joke in court in the Prop8 trial where a different standard is applied to the underpinnings of a given argument.

    Roberts pressing of Brown on this point has been unfortunately rare in the media. People who make a career of advocating a point of view by invoking an argument, charitably described as "I don't like it" should not be given a platform in a pluralistic, democratic society. That so many journalists behave more like a deer in the headlights rather than sentient beings when confronted by this empty propaganda has given life to a vacuous, emotional opposition to the ongoing evolution of the institution of marriage. A debate that enhances understanding based on polemical nuance and empirical facts should be encouraged.

    There is a reason that the discourse in this country resides in the sewer. The consequences of a society where dumb ideas prevail are predictable and disappointing.

    Posted by: Marcus | Mar 21, 2012 4:03:59 PM

  4. Way to go, Craig! What a great brother!!

    Gotta love our family members and friends who don't merely accept us, but actively STAND UP and SPEAK UP for our rights.

    Posted by: sparks | Mar 21, 2012 4:08:09 PM

  5. LOL special interest groups from out of state like NOM?

    Thomas Roberts is awesome, but I don't think even the great TR can get through to the talking points spewing Brian Brown. Brown recites the same recycled crap over and over. It's maddening.

    At least I know one thing: Brian Brown isn't going to be singing the chorus to Glad to Be Gay anytime soon. It's a shame that he's so full of self-loathing that he wants to verbally and legislatively destroy gay people.

    Posted by: Gary Alton Russell | Mar 21, 2012 4:09:17 PM

  6. So funny, Brian Brown talking about people coming in from other states with outside money. WTF did he and NOM do in California, and everywhere else that they go?
    NOM, and that entire mission = Titanic!

    Posted by: Oliver | Mar 21, 2012 4:14:47 PM

  7. well, it's the same non-logic logic that allows Rick Santorum to break the 9th Commandment by lying about the Dutch (?!) and then having his PR person say "well, Mr. Santorum is just really really pro-life so his comments reflect what's in his heart"

    if you need to lie, and thus break God's Ninth Commandment, in order to make a point that "comes from your heart" you prove that not only is your so-called faith utterly bogus but that your point cannot exist on its own merits alone.

    Posted by: LittleKiwi | Mar 21, 2012 4:20:29 PM

  8. @STEFAN :
    i agree with you 100%.....the war is over. we gays have won for equality. and all of US society will be the better for that embracing tolerance.

    These two men being interviewed demonstrate everything that the argument is about; one reasonable, compassionate, loving of his brother, demonstrating the best of humanity.

    The other, yet one more round-faced, fat self satisfied Republican, terrified of others having it as good as he has. I think it is the smug demeanour of these right wing fascists that makes me want to beat the living $hit out of them.

    Posted by: JackFknTwist | Mar 21, 2012 4:24:21 PM

  9. Get over it, MARY. you're on the wrong side of history. Snap.

    Posted by: Pdxblueyesey | Mar 21, 2012 6:01:50 PM

  10. Mary, I WELCOME and commend you for being here and please excuse the rabid queens, they're not representative of us all. It is dialogue that will bring us all to understanding rather than hateful slandering and insults and your willingness to forge into our community in the spirit of understanding is what is required of all of us in order to get along. How many gay men have tried to speak with the right in order to understand their perspective? We have to be willing to grow towards a broader view of one another or else this hatred will continue indefinitely.

    Posted by: D.R.H. | Mar 21, 2012 6:30:57 PM

  11. DRH, you are speaking as if the hate goes both ways. In case you haven't heard, CONSERVATIVES are seeking to deny gays marriage rights. GAYS have never sought to deny conservatives marriage rights. CONSERVATIVES are the ones seeking to prevent us from serving openly in the military. GAYS have never sought to deny conservatives marriage rights. I could go on, but you either get my point or are so delusional in your apologetics that it wouldn't matter anyway.

    You don't know their perspective? A good start would be to read up on the decision penned by Judge Walker for the prop 8 trial. You will find there the ACTUAL arguments conservatives believe in, captured in writing, and are using to curtail our rights.

    Posted by: Winston | Mar 21, 2012 8:24:11 PM

  12. This just in: After their defeat in New Hampshire NOM is now asking all straight married couples in the state to divorce as a protest. Said a spokesperson for NOM, straight marriage is no longer special, so why bother?

    Posted by: No kidding | Mar 21, 2012 11:50:29 PM

  13. Hey Mary - The day that civil equality becomes a "political issue" is the day that the USA no longer exists. Take you're bigoted "spin" and go sit on it....

    Posted by: Tre | Mar 22, 2012 2:29:15 AM

  14. I'm a FIRM believer that Mary and Rick and Ratbastard are the same alias. They then create other handles to agree with themselves. I'm sooo glad everyone is finally seeing it!

    Posted by: Tiulor | Mar 22, 2012 4:31:56 AM

  15. DRH, is it really hateful slandering if it's true? Because your implication that there are "2 sides" to the "argument" of equality sounds really fukking douchey. Suck on that a while.

    Posted by: wtf | Mar 22, 2012 2:12:49 PM

  16. Once again...the same rhetoric which has not been proven and RELIGION is the main factor ... any gay RELIGIOUS practicing gays and lesbians WAKE UP! They do not want you! You can let go and be totally free. It does not mean you want to be horrible person. Just free of their backwards teachings!

    Posted by: Glenn Rivera | Mar 22, 2012 2:28:08 PM

  17. DRH, we DO understand their point of view. they're prejudiced against LGBT people.

    what's to understand? it's not as if "gay people would be respected if only they understood what anti-gay bigots dislike about them"

    they dislike that we exist. they dislike that we're increasingly unafraid of them.

    now, every single anti-gay bigot claims to have gay friends. some have gay family members.

    so, clearly, it's gay conservatives that are to blame. after all, being a gay conservative hasn't convinced these bigots that their "friends" deserve equality.

    if you don't have the spine to stand up for yourself, and your community, you give people no reason to respect you.

    Posted by: LittleKiwi | Mar 22, 2012 2:35:08 PM

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