Anti-Gay Facebook Troll Enrages Italy

084442999-cd4943f6-0f8d-4e62-a920-d20cb15dfee1Last week, the Italian internet was briefly galvanized by an anonymous troll with a rather Catholic-looking Facebook page (see right), apparently created to advocate for the abortion of gay fetuses. Yes — gay fetuses, which, claimed the troll, doctors now have the ability to identify with some specificity. The page launched on June 19th, with this exhortation:

Too many people have been misled by the false morality of the sodomites. But now, thanks to the miracle of science, we can prevent this. Yes, it is terrible to abort even the poor children burdened with sodomite genes, but it is the lesser evil. 

(The translation's approximate, but that's the gist.)

The page stuck around, and its author stayed busy. Eventually, if I've got the translation right, it seems the author began to provide fake reports from clinics about the murder of infants — in one case, a report of gay babies who'd been strangled with their umbilical cords. Fake testimonials from fake mothers appeared, including this one:

After my [unborn] son was diagnosed with homosexuality, I wandered aimlessly and craved death above all things … After aborting the homosexual fetus I became pregnant again. My son is now healthy. I have seen God. I am happy.

It was all insane. It looked like the mindless jabbering of an under-supervised and over-caffeinated 14-year-old with psych issues. None of it was very worth thinking about. Except — for some reason, this particular detonation of nuttery managed to capture the attention of thousands. By the end of last week, when public furor over the troll caused Facebook to can his account, the profile had racked up more than 2,000 comments, and illicited comment from Italian politicians. Paola Tanning, some kind of official with the Democratic Party, threatened legal action against Facebook if the troll's page didn't disappear. Paola Concia, a member of the Italian parliament, publicly expressed solidarity with any gay kids who might have seen the page. And Stoppello Daniel, a famed lawyer who deals with cases of threats and discrimination against gays, told La Repubblica that the Facebook page was actionable:

In my opinion, [the page demonstrates] abuse of popular credulity — Article 661 of the penal code — in which you try to deceive people by promoting scientifically false and completely unfounded hypotheses, exploiting ignorance … We shouldn't underestimate the fact that [the profile constitutes] a public incitement to abortion.

Comments

  1. Ron says

    Late ’90’s there was a made for tv movie that addressed this … Can’t remember the name. Does anyone??? I think it was something along the lines of “The world of the goldman’s”

  2. NaughtyLola says

    Oh that’s a good one! Throw those fundamentalist of any stripe into a moral Catch-22: which do you hate more, abortion or gays? You can’t pick both! Someone should try that here (US) and expose their own internal bullsh!t inconsistencies.

  3. ratbastard says

    Troll is the correct term for whomever made this FB page, but they are also shills who deliberately wanted to create controversy. This kind of ignorant, childish and sometimes dangerous activity. Happens all the time, including like I’ve posted before, the many fake ‘hate’ crimes that occur.

    If you are not aware, google ‘Liberation Theology’, ‘Saul Alinsky’. Fake ‘outrages’ and manufactured controversy are common tools used by trolls and shill on the left and right.

    BTW: The way most ‘radicals’ [of any ideology] advocate censoring free speech in Europe is disturbing. Italy is not going to collapse because some ahole[s] put up an obnoxious fake FB page, or because someone says something rude, obnoxious, or something you just plain don’t agree with. Remember this next time you’re lectured about how ‘progressive’ certain people or countries are; 99% of the time what it means is opposing speech and ideas have been censored/stifled and people are literally afraid to say what they really think. It simply sends real homophobia, racism, etc. underground, even radicalizes it and can make it appear attractive to unbalanced people. There are numerous places in the world praised for their ‘progressive’ laws and such, but generally that’s the reality; laws were passed by powerful interests groups that say the ‘correct’ thing, and make everybody feel good. Add to this what I said above about censoring free speech [yes, that means things you disagree with, find obnoxious, etc] and you’ve got something that looks good….on paper at least. The reality is even Sweden, the Netherlands, and other places held up by especially radical far left ‘progressives’ as Nirvana, the average person has had their ability to speak their mind about ‘sensitive’ issues stifled and censored, and most people [just like most in the U.S.] are apathetic, so they just shut up. In some countries, even places we feel close to because our laws and culture are based and aligned with them, like the UK, have laws that allow police to arrest someone just for saying something ‘mean spirited’ or ‘racist’, and you can be imprisoned, and people are, routinely. Of course the people who advocate these censorship and ‘hate’ speech laws want to reserve the ability to use ‘hate’ speech against those people and things they don’t like, and they do.

    These types of censorship and ‘hate’ speech laws and the general mentality behind those who advocate them, hasn’t come to fruition in the U.S. nearly to the extent they have in more ‘progressive’ countries like our neighbor, Canada [which has extra-judicial ‘Human Rights Tribunals’, for example] and many Euro countries, including the UK. So comparing attitudes among various societies/nations regarding controversial and ‘sensitive’ subjects is a difficult undertaking, again because real free speech is stifled and censored, and people are afraid to say what they may be really thinking. In the advanced western 1st world, only in the U.S. can you still say what you really think on ‘sensitive’ subjects, like ‘racism’ and ‘homophobia’, etc. without fear of being arrested and/or charged with a crime.

    I prefer knowing as well as possible people’s true attitudes about things like homosexuality and not get statistics and surveys telling me what I want to hear or designed to make me just feel good, like you would and do in societies that actively restrict and censor free speech on these subjects.

  4. ratbastard says

    Of course Europe has had a horrendous track record in the near past [late 19th, early-mid 20th century] regarding things like racism, eugenics, etc. which cultivated in war[s] that killed HUNDREDS of millions of people, widespread devastation, an attempt at annihilating a specific ‘race’ [Jews]. But the people and ideologies responsible directly for these events were from both the far right AND far left. It wasn’t just the Nazis and Fascists, it was also Marxists and Communist on the far left, who actually probably ended up killing more people than the Nazis, and enslaving a nation [Russia] for 70 years, resulting in nation in 2012 that is far less ‘progressive’ and advanced socially, economically, and politically than it’s western Euro neighbors. So Europeans can be excused to some extent for their hyper-sensitive attitudes on certain things. But what’s really going on is ‘radicals’ are using this ‘guilt’ to control and stifle speech. This is certainly not a healthy thing.

  5. Pete N SFO says

    I think it’s interesting… almost a new twist on performance art.

    Insanely provocative, it brought out people’s core beliefs, beyond whatever religious fable they may follow.

    Or, maybe just whack-job. 😉

  6. Jason says

    Agree that this is a beautiful satire. There actually is science to suggest that hormone levels in the fetus contribute to determining sexual orientation. So, theoretically scientists might be able to predict the orientation of an unborn child. If orientation could be predicted, would a fiercely Catholic nation choose abortion over introducing another “sodomite” into the world? The FB page was merely calling attention to one of many inconsistencies in the Christian faith.

  7. ratbastard says

    @Jason and others,

    This ‘satire’ is actually being used by people like this Italian Democratic Party woman to censor free speech. So it may indeed be a ‘brilliant’ piece of satire, but it’s being used for base political and ideological purposes. And it can genuinely confuse less shall we say sophisticated people.

  8. Derek Pearce says

    It must be satire. C’mon folks, you KNOW that the Pope would say (if you could determine in the fetus that a child would grow up to be gay, which ya still can’t), he’d say ‘let the child be born gay and live his life in torment so we can judge and try to change him his whole life anyway….”

  9. D.R.H. says

    Regardless of what it is, it’s addressing the real problem facing human progress, that being religion. Until humans stop believing such nonsense we can never evolve scientifically and morally.

  10. anthony says

    Actually there was an alien invasion on Oct 30-1938 in new Jersey.

    —opp’s that was another media outlet- but they arrived in New Jersey

  11. Dagoril says

    The credulous believed it because it sounds just like something the Christianists would advocate for. When they’re not busy pushing for the death penalty for gays in Uganda. Or outlawing even saying the word “gay” in Tennessee.

    And it’s a shame Article 661 isn’t used to go after “unfounded religious hypotheses”…i.e. all of them.

  12. Dale says

    Gay fetuses? What does the sonogram show a limp wrist or something?

    I thought Christians believed that being gay was a choice and a learned behavior? They can now tell by looking at the fetus how the child will choose. Oooooo. I think their kung fu is more superior than standard science.

  13. ratbastard says

    NO Anastasia. You obviously miss my point completely.

    Although I would say it’s incumbent on individuals and groups who advocate hate or radical ideology that targets certain groups for scorn to temper their speech and be aware of the many mentally unstable people and just plain gullible who could, have and well go out and harm others after being indoctrinated or influenced by something they heard or read. This is true for the far right and far left, and for any body actually.

  14. jamal49 says

    If I read this article correctly, then it is important that it be noted: neither The Vatican, the Roman Catholic Curia, the Roman Catholic Church’s conservative lay organizations, nor The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, nor any other Catholic organization stood up and protested that Facebook posting (regardless that is has now been proven to be bogus).

    What does this tell us about the “official” Catholic position should it be proven ultimately (and it is practically a scientific given) that “homosexuality” is actually genetic?

    Can one assume that in this case The Church would support terminating a pregnancy if it could scientifically be proven that the fetus would develop naturally and be born with same-sex orientation?

    The silence was disturbingly deafening.

  15. Ben in Oakland says

    Ummmm….there are no genetic tests for homosexuality in utero. The article is- a hoax. Whether satire or not Inc different question.

  16. Caliban says

    If I were guessing this seems more likely to have come from a gay or pro-gay source. Since there is no genetic (or any other) test to determine the sexuality of a fetus in utero, the Facebook page serves no real anti-gay or Right-Wing purpose. Instead it promotes the idea that being gay IS inborn and creates horror at the idea that abortion could or should be used to wipe them (us) out.

    It’s trolling alright, and by getting Italian politicians and others to publicly endorse the rights of unborn gay children I’d say it worked splendidly.

  17. JackFknTwist says

    What an interesting exercise in hypocricy this will be for the fundies if such a scientific conclusion is ever reached.

    But I know where my money will be :
    The fundies will make an exception ; Abort the abominations !
    And there will be few qualms about their biblical justification. After all it would be more merciful to abort than stoning as the fundies advocate.

  18. Mike says

    Anti-gay Christian trolls are every where today they infiltrate all of the LGBT groups and pretend to be gay or they are ex gays who are being used to spy and get information to make trouble for the real LGBT people. The think they are so smart that nobody knows what they are doing and lie if discovered but with some investigation we have been finding them and exposing them and I would suggest you do the same, so we know who is a trouble maker sent in by the Christians to make trouble. Of course they do it because they are doing “gods” work, that is how they think. These “Christians” seem like they are possessed by Satan and doing his work.

  19. bruce says

    So all you liberals are allright with killing babies (abortion) for any reason because of the right to choose, unless the reason is the unborn baby is genetically
    (or whatever you want to call it) gay, then there is a problem with it. I think I am missing somthing here.

  20. andrew says

    If the science makes it possible for us to know that a fetus is going to be gay, will liberals oppose this type of abortion? I would guess that conservatives might approve this exception. What will the liberals do?

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