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Creation Museum 'Science Guys' Rebut Bill Nye: VIDEO


On Thursday, Andrew posted an excellent "Big Think" video from Bill Nye, in which the scientist and educator riffed expertly on evolution via natural selection, and suggested that warping kids' worldviews with creationism amounts to a kind of child abuse.

The vid's gone viral, and now Ken Ham and the folks at the Creation Museum have issued a rebuttal. The two people talking in the video are supposed to be scientists, but they give up the game at the 2:10 mark. See how AFTER THE JUMP ... 



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  1. Dissenter:
    I am sure Bill Nye's TV production company must have the resource to hire a lot of consultants. The messenger is not important. It is only the message that matters.
    You are confusing a genuine scientific debate like in cosmology or string theory with the debate between Creationism and evolution.
    Creationism in the Bible is not science and not based on scientific evidence. You can call all serious scientists "liberals" if you want.

    Posted by: simon | Sep 2, 2012 1:49:47 AM

  2. Evolution not only explains how humans arrived, but it also explains the existence of planets and stars. There is also cultural evolution which has its backwaters inhabited by those who "haven't got the memo yet." All that we encounter has evolved, continues to evolve and will always be a dynamic situation. Nothing is static. So these "creation scientists" will someday be gone.

    It's funny, but watching them, the movie Planet of the Apes keeps coming to mind. And the phrase, "Are we not men?"

    Posted by: i could go on, but I won't | Sep 2, 2012 7:24:48 AM

  3. Okay - I haven't had my coffee yet, but clearly these folks are bat sh*t crazy and JMG would put it. Not only that, but girlfriend needs a make-over. (See what happens when straight boys do your makeup).

    Posted by: Paul | Sep 2, 2012 9:28:13 AM

  4. I'm only half-surprised that these PhD's didn't address the very different creation accounts in the Bible - essentially Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 - which cannot be reconciled.

    As to what PhD's sometimes believe, I know of a PhD in astronomy who believes in a revised Ptolemaic view (don't ask). He got his degree by lying about his real beliefs. He's teaching at a liberal arts college - at least it's in the department of mathematics, not astronomy.

    @RunningUSA: Regarding Adam and Eve... Yes, they did have sons. It's not discussed, however, where Cain's wife came from. BTW - the 'mark of Cain' was sometimes cited as being the origin of the inferiority of Blacks.

    Regarding Noah and his sons... They all entered the ark with their wives. BTW - the curse following Ham's 'uncovering Noah's nakedness' was more commonly cited as the divinely mandated subservience of Blacks to all other races.

    Interesting two examples.

    Posted by: Diogenes Arktos | Sep 2, 2012 9:35:09 AM

  5. @Diogenes

    Thank you for being someone who has actually READ the bible, and understand that there are differing accounts in genesis it's self

    Furthermore if the bible is an "eyewitness account" then who witnessed god first creating light? exactly. The whole thing doesn't hold water from square one.

    Posted by: MaddM@ | Sep 2, 2012 11:04:54 AM

  6. I'm atheist, but I truly don't think it matters whether or not there is (or was) a "Creator."

    Assuming there was such a being who "lit the fuse" of the Big Bang, it does not follow that the Bible or ANY ancient religious text tells us one true or meaningful thing about that entity. In fact, simple logic tells us that it can't be true. Noah got two every animal on a boat he built himself? That isn't possible in any case, but especially now when you consider that within many genus of animals there are thousands, at least, of species. So there couldn't have been just two salamanders, for instance, there would have been thousands of them because there are MANY different kinds of salamanders. The only other option is that from the two, and only two, salamanders on the ark they later differentiated into species, but that would *gulp* have only happened through EVOLUTION, which is what the whole ark story is being used to refute.

    This sudden insistence that the Bible is literally true in all its particulars, and "inerrant" is as much a POLITICAL stance as it is a religious one. The problem is that once you admit that, well OK, Noah didn't really get two of every animal on a boat, or Jonah didn't really live inside a whale, then the whole thing is built on shaky ground. Then you can't point to other parts of the Bible like the proscriptions against homosexuality in Leviticus (setting aside all questions of context and translation for the moment) and say "but THIS part here is absolutely true!"

    Once you admit that parts of the Bible aren't true you have to start thinking for yourself, which is the LAST thing Creationists and other religious fanatics want to do. These are people who find comfort in being part of an authoritarian structure, being TOLD what's true and what isn't, and having to think for themselves is very very scary to them.

    If you think about it at all, the Judeo-Christian concept of God is rather strange to begin with, co-dependent any needy. I mean here's this omnipotent being, literally able to pull the universe, indeed ALL reality out of nothing, but He needs you to constantly be bowing and scraping, letting Him know how VERY impressed you are with Him. And don't you dare skimp on the hosannas and praise or He will smite you! Does that make any sense? No. That's more a description of a malicious child with an ant farm than an all-powerful Creator.

    Posted by: Caliban | Sep 2, 2012 11:40:55 AM

  7. Thanks for that Caliban !
    This makes me think of the many discussions I had years ago with my father...a devout, aka...blind catholic. When all else failed, his fallback excuse for the wonder of the cosmos was this..."if not god, who else could have done this and keep it all going"? I would always just bow my head, mumble and get back on a plane headed to California. Now I don't visit him at all. I just put him on speaker phone so I can continue to fold laundry and stick my finger down my throat when he gets particularly offensive.

    Posted by: PAUL B. | Sep 2, 2012 1:54:21 PM

  8. These are some of fields of science that independently Corroborate evolution.
    Comparative Anatomy
    Molecular Biology
    Developmental Biology
    Population Genetics
    Genome Sequencing

    Even Pope John Paul II said this. "[N]ew knowledge has led to the recognition that the theory of evolution is more than a hy¬pothesis. It is indeed remarkable that this theory has been progres¬sively accepted by researchers, following a series of discoveries in various fields of knowledge. The convergence, neither sought or fabricated, of the results of work that was conducted inde¬pendently is in itself a significant argument in favor of the theory."

    Posted by: joe arrigo | Sep 2, 2012 2:31:32 PM

  9. I see our failed educational system has succeeded in leaving students absolutely sure of an unproven theory, while many cannot add or even read. So miss know it alls, where did the Ampersand originate? How did a Mayfly evolve to live a year in the mud and fly for only one day? Why is the concept of an hour and a minute universal, and only recently discovered to fit into a 360 degree rotation of the planet so perfectly?

    Posted by: Sam Molloy | Sep 2, 2012 11:05:40 PM

  10. inerrancy - This requires too long a post for this forum. Its Christian history involves more than just the 20c because some forms of it do date from the Reformation.

    @Sam Molloy:
    ampersand - Evolved in the Middle Ages from the Latin word for and: et.

    mayfly - Gestational time is typically unrelated to life time. Your gestational time was approximately 9 months. How long is your life time?

    hour, minute, 360 degrees - no, the concept of hour, minute, and second was not universal, especially a fixed length hour. Let's not even consider years. These units of measure have been defined in the 20c by international standards organizations, such as ISO. Unfortunately, your assertion that these units of time fit the 360 degree rotation so perfectly is faulty: there are occasional leap seconds (positive or, theoretically, negative) to keep atomic clocks in better synch with rotation. The reason for multiples of 60 in some traditional measurements is Babylonian mathematics which had a base of 60.

    Posted by: Diogenes Artktos | Sep 3, 2012 9:51:17 AM

  11. I assume these "scientists" bought their degrees from one of those internet sites which appear in my spam folder. To claim that the bible, written by men in the Bronze Age is the "eyewitness account" of god? Just wow!

    Posted by: tarxien | Sep 3, 2012 6:28:18 PM

  12. Oh, if we could only find Noah's Ark. We would be able to see how a pair or seven pairs of some animals, which ever contradictory section of Gen. you are reading, all fit together on that beautiful boat. What b*ll s*it. After that we could search for the Ark of the Covenant and find the 10 Commandments in stone inside. And then we could look for the "true" cross". Oh that has been found. There are pieces of the "true" cross in thousands of churches around the world. So many that you could build Noah his Ark.

    Posted by: andrew | Sep 4, 2012 2:29:10 AM

  13. @Andrew: Believe it or not, there was an astronaut (James Irwin of Apollo 15) who lead several missions to search for Noah's ark on Mt Ararat in Turkey. Too bad for him, there are other locations with claims to be the site - most (if not all) with names other than the Biblical Ararat.

    There is a tradition among Ethiopian Christians that *they* have the original
    Ark of the Covenant - but they don't display it. There is one person (probably hereditary) at a time who checks on its wellbeing (once a year?). I'm sure the Jews (especially those from Ethiopia) do not believe this claim.

    I love one of the traditional names for the feast day of the finding of the true cross: The Invention of the Cross. "So many that you could build Noah his Ark." ROFLMAO

    Posted by: Diogenes Arktos | Sep 4, 2012 8:41:57 AM

  14. If the Bible is "literal history", how do you account for the multitude of permutations in wording, and therefore, meanings, based on who was ruling at the time? So which version is literal - the King James version? Young's Literal Translation?? Which one please, creationists!

    This is just one of the numerous quagmires in rational thinking and logic that happens which religious wingnuts open their stupid yaps and discount science fact and replace it with 'An Old Man with a Beard Who Lives in the Sky did it'.

    Posted by: Dr.Theopolis | Sep 4, 2012 4:34:20 PM

  15. @ DISSENTER : It's my personal view that I choose to discount all religion as hokum. Or, for those non-Mensa members, "The longest game of telephone ever played."

    Posted by: Dr.Theopolis | Sep 4, 2012 4:42:22 PM

  16. Diogenes: The word Ampersand may be from Latin, but "&" could not have come from Latin. Or the "Volvo emblem" for male and whatever the heck the female one is called now. They are from the pre flood, pre Tower of Babel, universal language. The Hour was referred to in the Bible, daylight was 12 of them. Night was 12 of them. Obviously there were no clocks, but the concept survived he Flood in all cultures.

    Posted by: Sam Molloy | Sep 5, 2012 1:23:38 PM

  17. @Sam Molloy: I answered you original questions off the top of my head. I should note at this point that I do not have any credence in any historicity of the first eleven chapters of Genesis.

    If you think wikipedia has any credibility...

    Consult the article "ampersand" for the origin of "&".

    Your new question about the Mars symbol for male and Venus for female deal with recent usages. Consequently, they do not furnish any relic from a pre-Tower of Babel "universal language". Consult the articles "astrological signs" and "gender symbol".

    Consult the article "hour". The usage of "hour" in the Bible illustrates at best a variable-length hour. The Bible, by its very nature, does not count as furnishing documentation for a concept of "hour" surviving a concept of "flood" in ALL cultures.

    Posted by: Diogenes Arktos | Sep 6, 2012 11:13:12 AM

  18. People really need to have an open mind and stop shutting off things that don't go with their view. I am a Christian, yet i have taken an open mind into Evolution, Abiogenesis, and the Big Bang Theory. There are flaws in each one. The only reason people accept these theories is because scientists have tried to prove them correct. Scientists are your heroes for this fact. These people are bringing about quite substantial facts in their documentaries.

    Posted by: Ben G. | Dec 18, 2012 11:37:11 AM

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