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Illinois Catholic Bishop Warns Voting Democratic Supports 'Intrinsic Evil' Because of Abortion, Gay Marriage: VIDEO

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Bishop Thomas John Paprocki of Springfield, Illinois isn't instructing you "for whom you should vote" but warns that voting Democratic is supporting "intrinsic evil" and putting your soul at risk, Right Wing Watch reports.

Says Paprocki in a video:

Certainly there are "pro-choice" Republicans who support abortion rights and "Log Cabin Republicans" who promote same-sex marriage, and they are equally as wrong as their Democratic counterparts. But these positions do not have the official support of their party.

Again, I am not telling you which party or which candidates to vote for or against, but I am saying that you need to think and pray very carefully about your vote, because a vote for a candidate who promotes actions or behaviors that are intrinsically evil and gravely sinful makes you morally complicit and places the eternal salvation of your own soul in serious jeopardy.

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  1. @Erin...do yourself a big favor before you go shooting your foolish mouth off and check the facts. Is the procedure legal in very special situations...YES. And if you're daughter was going to die if this legal procedure was her only option for survival? Let me guess...let god decide. Well, go right ahead. You do that.

    Posted by: PAUL B. | Sep 27, 2012 11:29:56 PM


  2. @Paul
    The key word you said was...DELIVERY ROOM- not abortion clinic. Since you're such an expert, can you please explain to me how partial birth abortions are done? It is a real procedure and it HAS been voted on in our legislature. Look it up!
    @ David
    That's the typical liberal response. It's easier to use clean and sterile, warm and fuzzy terms like "women's rights" and "reproductive choices" and not talk about the end results and consequences of those "choices." Despite how it is worded, the end result ends up with a dead baby. But at the end of the day, it is very much in context. What do you think the Bishop was talking about, Barack Obama's energy policies? (which are an abysmal failure too, but that's a topic for another time.)
    FACT: Partial-birth abortion is never necessary to save the life of the mother. In fact, it exposes women to additional and substantial health risks. Former Surgeon General Koop explained that "Partial birth abortion is never medically necessary to protect a mother's health or her future fertility."

    Posted by: Erin | Sep 27, 2012 11:45:34 PM


  3. No offense, Yupp, but at least my tax dollars wouldn't be paying for "back alley" abortions. Don't get me wrong, I don't want them to happen, but I don't want my tax dollars paying for abortions either.
    And as far as the marriage issue goes...

    mar·riage/ˈmarij/
    Noun:
    The formal union of a man and a woman, typically recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife.

    It's not our place to change the definition of marriage.
    This does not mean I am anti-gay. In fact, I have many gay friends.

    Posted by: Erin | Sep 28, 2012 12:12:53 AM


  4. Lately, I've been on this Christ-like (as opposed to "Christian," which is completely unrelated) kick of trying to see the best in people.

    All I can come up with in this case is, "Smell her!"

    Posted by: Steveinde | Sep 28, 2012 12:18:06 AM


  5. Erin: "Defending the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban... requires arguing to judges that pulling a fetus from a woman's body in dismembered pieces is legal, medically acceptable, and safe; but that pulling a fetus out intact, so that if the woman wishes the fetus can be wrapped in a blanket and handed to her, is appropriately punishable by a fine, or up to two years' imprisonment, or both." Didn't really want to go there, but since you brought it up. Just another attempt at more anti-women policy from the right-wing. We're really tired of you.

    Posted by: David | Sep 28, 2012 12:42:38 AM


  6. If religions are going to get involved in politics like this then they NEED TO PAY TAXES just like other profit making businesses.

    NO MORE SPECIAL TREATMENT !

    The Catholic Church and the Mormons have amassed BILLIONS over the decades. They have private jets, private hospitals and even private airports. If they can afford to pay for these AND put MILLIONS into political campaigns then they can afford to pay their share of taxes.

    They are making BILLIONS of untaxed revenue each year from investing on the stock markets. TAX IT !

    They have so much money in stock markets around the world that if they are able to control politicians and influence laws by threatening to pull out their billions and crash the stock markets if they don't get what they want. RELIGIONS ARE DICTATING OUR LAWS !

    It's time to TAX THEM ALL.

    Posted by: Icebloo | Sep 28, 2012 12:56:51 AM


  7. So I should vote for the heretic? Jesus would not like that. Do the clergy of the Catholic Church know what a heretic is? I do. They have indeed lost their marbles.

    Posted by: millerbeach | Sep 28, 2012 1:10:12 AM


  8. The Catholic Church has COMPLETELY lost it.

    Posted by: ElCid | Sep 28, 2012 1:28:33 AM


  9. Many, including myself, criticize the Catholic church for engaging in politics and keeping its tax exempt status. Now lets hear the same level of criticism of the African American Protestant churches which are often little more than democratic party rallies. Lets hear the same level of criticism of White Fundamentalists and Evangelical churches which are often little more than right wing Republican rallies.

    Posted by: Andrew | Sep 28, 2012 1:34:29 AM


  10. @Erin
    The last time I checked the definition of words can change over time. Also, if you really valued your "gay friends" you'd support equality for them.

    Posted by: Alan | Sep 28, 2012 1:37:59 AM


  11. When I see posts like this at Towleroad I go straight to the comments because they are far better then the article itself.

    Posted by: OS2Guy | Sep 28, 2012 1:44:25 AM


  12. Erin, sweetie, on the whole "cafeteria catholic" thing:

    "A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet." - 1 Timothy 2:11-15

    You can't simply choose which parts of the Bible to believe, Erin. Wait, why I am even talking to you? You have no place in a theological discussion, and you can't even argue with me because the Bible says you can't, so SHUT YOUR MOUTH! Men are talking.

    We'll just talk amongst ourselves and let you know what can be done with your vagina. In fact, let's crack that Bible again and see what god thinks are appropriate ways for men to deal with the vaginas in their lives...

    God have mercy on your soul, Erin.

    Posted by: Marty | Sep 28, 2012 2:10:22 AM


  13. Hypocritical nonsense coming from this silly little man. He needs to be looking in his own "back yard" the Catholic church for all the mess coming out of there...starting with the pedofiles!

    Posted by: Tom | Sep 28, 2012 2:10:45 AM


  14. Andrew, the main difference between the Vatican and the others is they have their own bank, which allows for all sorts of malfeasance. Otherwise, I don't really want my rights being denied by Fundamentalists of any stripe or color.

    Posted by: David | Sep 28, 2012 2:39:36 AM


  15. This guy just discarded the fundamental tenet of Christianity; that the wages of sin are death but that Jesus took on the sins of the world and died on the cross so you don't have to. All you have to do is believe and you are SAVED! John 3:16- That's all anyone has to do- Believe.

    Therefore, we are saved by grace and not by works, least any man should boast.

    Grace is what Jesus did on the cross and works is what we do, like voting for the right guy, to try to gain salvation.

    I am not promoting Christianity, just pointing out the anti-Christ message this man is sending.

    Posted by: truthteller | Sep 28, 2012 4:00:25 AM


  16. @Erin...are you an OBGYN? I didn't think so. My brother is, he says there CAN be medicinal reasons for a late-term abortion. NOT for birth control reasons, but for medical reasons. I believe my brother over you. He spent 12 years in college, med school, and his residency. But, since you aren't a doctor, you have no idea of the hard work he had to do to get that education, to get that title of "Doctor". They don't pass that title out like lollypops at the bank. What is your education, sweetie? Faux News talking points? Better sharpen your brain...it's mighty dull right now.

    Posted by: millerbeach | Sep 28, 2012 4:15:28 AM


  17. Whilst everyone, even catholic priests, are entitled to their views, it is quite another thing to use the power of an established church with loyal followers to alter the outcome of a national election in a democracy. This seems to me to overstep the mark in a quite big fashion.

    If a bishop attempted such a thing here in the UK there would be hell to pay - glad to see that so many of the other posters on this article, whom I assume are americans, hold the same view of this type of clerical interference in the US presidential vote.

    No one, not even God, is allowed to look over your shoulder in voting booth. (and if I found this bishop looking over my shoulder in a booth of any kind I would call the police...)

    Posted by: arch | Sep 28, 2012 5:25:22 AM


  18. If they keep this up, before long the SPLC will be including the Roman clergy in their list of hate groups.

    Funny thing about this is that according to the gospels, Jesus was practically obsessive about our duty to our neighbor and taking care of the most vulnerable--you know: those whom the republicans trample all over every chance they get. Strangely, the bishops seem not to have a word to say about that in this election cycle. Conversely, the gospels record no words of Jesus concerning gay people (or, for that matter, family planning) but the Roman clergy can't seem to stop obsessing about *those* so-called issues. Passing strange.

    Posted by: Daniel Berry, NYC | Sep 28, 2012 5:51:45 AM


  19. So, Bishop Thomas John Paprocki, and the poster, Erin, wants everyone to vote for the pro-war Republicans because killing people in a war is good but Gays having equal rights is sinful.
    Please, Erin, tell us how supporting the pro torture and pro war Republican party is better than supporting the pro equality party.
    P.S. I'm not a Democrat

    Posted by: 1♥ | Sep 28, 2012 8:10:25 AM


  20. @Erin: why should the RC belief that personhood begins at conception be given the force of law, when other good Christians believe that personhood doesn't begin until the first breath? How about considering the Jewish and Islamic positions? Part of Roe v Wade was the acknowledgement of no clear consensus on the start of personhood. I wish we all would take note of St Augustine (5th century CE bishop): he hoped no one would have the hubris to define when personhood began.

    Posted by: Diogenes Arktos | Sep 28, 2012 8:10:25 AM


  21. If anything is intrinsically evil, it is the catholic church

    Posted by: hornlongjohn | Sep 28, 2012 10:00:47 AM


  22. One wonders if he ever thinks about the intrinsic evil of the Southern Strategy and its effect upon today's politics...and then preaches against it.

    Posted by: Gene Touchet | Sep 28, 2012 10:24:21 AM


  23. TAX THE GODDAMNED CHURCHES!

    Posted by: jamal49 | Sep 28, 2012 11:51:26 AM


  24. He's completely ignoring the Republicans have widely supported the death penalty, unjust war, and torture. if those aren't intrinsically evil i don't know what is.

    Posted by: Andrew K | Sep 28, 2012 12:34:54 PM


  25. Separation of church and state. Hmmmmm. You are so right Bandanjack. If I attended a church tellng me how to vote, I'd change churches.

    Posted by: ethan | Sep 28, 2012 9:51:19 PM


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